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Jan 20, 2014 16:41:38   #
Liberty Tree
 
Brian Devon wrote:
The country was founded on religious principles? Find one mention of Christianity, Judaism, or Islam in the constitution. Find one mention of Jesus, Moses, or Mohammed. I think you have confused the U.S. with another nation.


Check out the Creator in the Declaration of Independence.

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Jan 20, 2014 17:03:11   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
Brian Devon wrote:
The country was founded on religious principles? Find one mention of Christianity, Judaism, or Islam in the constitution. Find one mention of Jesus, Moses, or Mohammed. I think you have confused the U.S. with another nation.


Perhaps it would be more accurate to say the country was founded upon principles, of which most religions claim to espouse. Freedom of religion requires a religion, but the constitution does not. What is right or wrong, and drawing a distinction between the two, can be done through the constitution alone. If one's religious beliefs coincide with the constitution, that's great, but is not required.
No one, whether religious or not, will agree that these politicians behavior is just. As the majority of Americans are not in the elite, it is incumbent upon them to represent the majority. What we see actually happening is a courting of the elite to garner money/power for the enjoyment and protection of those very elite persons, of which the politician would very much like to be. I doubt the same people would be willing to have their meetings at the IHOP. No, that's for us peasants, we have nothing for them except the rest of what little we own. They'll get it too, and we'll thank them for saving us from ourselves.

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Jan 20, 2014 17:17:23   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
I see your a serious non thinker.

If you don't know where you've come from, it's pretty hard to determine where you're going.

The history of America is an awesome drama. Our nation is no accident. For hundreds of years, the dream of liberty was carried across European history to be birthed on these shores, and biblical truth, biblical thinking, played a pivotal role in the birthing of America.

But was America founded on Christian principles? Just read the first words of the Declaration of Independence:

We hold these truths to be self-evident; that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

From the beginning, America's founders accepted the reality that basic rights were inseparable from human beings and they recognized that those inalienable rights were not given by government nor acquired by force, but that life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are the gifts of the Creator.

In 1844, the Court said, "Christianity is part of our common law."

In 1892, the Supreme Court said this: "No purpose of action against religion can be imputed to any legislation, state or national because this is a religious people. This is historically true."

In 1930, the U.S. Supreme Court said this: "We are a Christian people, according to our motto."

In 1952, the U.S. Supreme Court said, "We are a religious people whose institutions presuppose a Supreme Being.

The question isn't - Was America founded on Christian principles? The question is - what world view has given birth to and sustained America? The answer to that question is simple: Christianity.

Brian Devon wrote:
The country was founded on religious principles? Find one mention of Christianity, Judaism, or Islam in the constitution. Find one mention of Jesus, Moses, or Mohammed. I think you have confused the U.S. with another nation.

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Jan 20, 2014 17:23:49   #
working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina
 
Brian Devon wrote:
Ah yes......Republicans always wishing death upon others. There is a country where the populace repeatedly does that. Its called Iran. Its a country that fits Republicans in many ways. After all it is a homophobic nation run on religious principles. As a bonus the country is run by self-righteous men with unkempt beards. Put it all together and you have the Persian version of Duck Dynasty!


I think you missed the gist of the article. Republicans were also called out. I think that Banjojack was taking poetic license to state how strongly he feels. And I tend to agree that our representatives in DC are corrupted the moment they step off the plane and into their jobs. Dems and Repubs alike.

This is one subject on which I agree with the conservative critique.

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Jan 20, 2014 19:10:16   #
Brian Devon
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
Check out the Creator in the Declaration of Independence.


The Declaration of Independence is not the law. It was a love-note to King George III and the English Govt. The constitution, which does have the force of law, has no such reference.

BTW, God doesn't need to be mentioned in a constitution in order to exist.

I agree with President Obama. We are indeed not a Christian nation, nor Jewish, nor Muslim, nor agnostic nor atheist nation. We are a nation of all our citizens, who have a right to pursue their own spiritual path, as long as they don't infringe upon the rights of others.

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Jan 20, 2014 19:13:28   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
While you and wonder boy are lost in the woods this spring who ya gonna ask for help from, Buddha?



Brian Devon wrote:
The Declaration of Independence is not the law. It was a love-note to King George III and the English Govt. The constitution, which does have the force of law, has no such reference.

BTW, God doesn't need to be mentioned in a constitution in order to exist.

I agree with President Obama. We are indeed not a Christian nation, nor Jewish, nor Muslim, nor agnostic nor atheist nation. We are a nation of all our citizens, who have a right to pursue their own spiritual path, as long as they don't infringe upon the rights of others.
The Declaration of Independence is not the law. It... (show quote)

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Jan 20, 2014 19:17:34   #
Liberty Tree
 
Brian Devon wrote:
The Declaration of Independence is not the law. It was a love-note to King George III and the English Govt. The constitution, which does have the force of law, has no such reference.

BTW, God doesn't need to be mentioned in a constitution in order to exist.

I agree with President Obama. We are indeed not a Christian nation, nor Jewish, nor Muslim, nor agnostic nor atheist nation. We are a nation of all our citizens, who have a right to pursue their own spiritual path, as long as they don't infringe upon the rights of others.
The Declaration of Independence is not the law. It... (show quote)


How about bwhen they infringe on the rights of others to freely practice their beliefs?

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Jan 20, 2014 19:27:23   #
Brian Devon
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
How about bwhen they infringe on the rights of others to freely practice their beliefs?


Like the freedoms of the Westboro Baptist Church?

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Jan 20, 2014 19:42:08   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
Westboro Baptist Church is a hate group.


Brian Devon wrote:
Like the freedoms of the Westboro Baptist Church?

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Jan 20, 2014 20:58:54   #
Liberty Tree
 
Brian Devon wrote:
Like the freedoms of the Westboro Baptist Church?


More like the hate of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright and the church Obama attended for 20 years. That is more your style and what you would support.

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Jan 20, 2014 21:00:43   #
Winter Solstice Loc: Salt Lake City
 
This does not even deserve a reply.

Brian Devon wrote:
The country was founded on religious principles? Find one mention of Christianity, Judaism, or Islam in the constitution. Find one mention of Jesus, Moses, or Mohammed. I think you have confused the U.S. with another nation.

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Jan 21, 2014 07:22:06   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
bmac32 wrote:
I see your a serious non thinker.

If you don't know where you've come from, it's pretty hard to determine where you're going.

The history of America is an awesome drama. Our nation is no accident. For hundreds of years, the dream of liberty was carried across European history to be birthed on these shores, and biblical truth, biblical thinking, played a pivotal role in the birthing of America.

But was America founded on Christian principles? Just read the first words of the Declaration of Independence:

We hold these truths to be self-evident; that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

From the beginning, America's founders accepted the reality that basic rights were inseparable from human beings and they recognized that those inalienable rights were not given by government nor acquired by force, but that life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are the gifts of the Creator.

In 1844, the Court said, "Christianity is part of our common law."

In 1892, the Supreme Court said this: "No purpose of action against religion can be imputed to any legislation, state or national because this is a religious people. This is historically true."

In 1930, the U.S. Supreme Court said this: "We are a Christian people, according to our motto."

In 1952, the U.S. Supreme Court said, "We are a religious people whose institutions presuppose a Supreme Being.

The question isn't - Was America founded on Christian principles? The question is - what world view has given birth to and sustained America? The answer to that question is simple: Christianity.
I see your a serious non thinker. br br If you d... (show quote)


That is exactly the kind of closed minded, non logical thinking that prevents any serious progress towards unity. By your logic, the Islamic world is right to oppose us, as we ARE trying to enforce Christian precepts on them. Fortunately, you are wrong. Which religion is the "right" one is not at issue, and you know that to be true. That's why the childish attempt at insult.
To remind you, and others, this post is not about religion. It is about the fact that our politicians are playing fast and loose with the rules designed to curb selfish behavior. Once elected, they feel that they have "risen above" their constituents and proceed to live the "high life". This is a shameful display of greed and avarice and should not be tolerated. They are selling out the American people, right in front of their noses. Squabbling about religion is a perfect way for them to keep you occupied while they rape you again. Break out the Vaseline and pray to God you have enough to last.

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Jan 21, 2014 07:37:31   #
Snoopy
 
Brian Devon wrote:
The country was founded on religious principles? Find one mention of Christianity, Judaism, or Islam in the constitution. Find one mention of Jesus, Moses, or Mohammed. I think you have confused the U.S. with another nation.


Brian

Try reading the First Amendment to the Constitution!

Snoopy

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Jan 21, 2014 07:45:21   #
Weyner
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Exactly! I'd like to see public whippings come back into style. It would make it harder to sit down to a $25,000 dinner, would it not?


I will do the whipping just to hear them cry and begging for mercy,that would make me feel great!

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Jan 21, 2014 09:55:00   #
hoonie61
 
AND I HAVE A DREAM TOO DR. KING......BUT IN MY LIFETIME, IT IS NOT GONNA HAPPEN. AND THATS THE BOTTOM LINE HERE FROM GOOD OLD NEBRASKA. GO BIG RED AND TO HELL WITH EVERYTHING ELSE. SERIOUS FOOTBALL SPOKEN HERE FOLKS. POLITICIANS CAN GO TO HELL! DO I HEAR AN AMEN BROTHER? HA. WWJD?

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