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Jan 15, 2014 06:22:15   #
hoonie61
 
AHH, I JUST LOVE THIS FORUM......LIVING PROOF THAT THE INDIANS HAD SEX WITH THE BUFFALO. FOLLOW ME IDIOTS! GOD BLESS YA.

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Jan 15, 2014 11:36:01   #
ElAku
 
Tasine wrote:
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Who, what do you think you are? And do you really think you know more about what this country's government is about than those of us who live it day in and day out and have done so for decades? And where do you get off about preaching to me about "personal responsibility" when it is YOU who truly believes we cannot exist without nanny government making decisions for us? I think no such thing. Neither am I afraid of anarchy..........do you even know the true definition of anarchy? I doubt you do. You see anarchy as frightening. I see it as freedom's light. You love government, see it as a necessity, see it as your savior, see it as your nanny. I see it as a horrible liability that is sinking me along with it.

As to your last sappy paragraph, you say "According to your thinking, whichever way things turn out, it is the will of God or whatever terms you use. Did you ever think that he (Obama) is leading this country because he is what is needed at this time?

My answer is that your first sentence in this graph is ridiculous, and comes from God knows where, certainly not from anything I wrote. You cannot possibly be referring to me. Will of God???????? You have never heard me utter this phrase because I have never uttered it. Who is coaching you? Some idiot from Wonderland, I suppose.

DID I EVER THINK OBAMA IS LEADING THIS COUNTRY BECAUSE HE IS WHAT IS NEEDED AT THIS TIME? ARE YOU INSANE? Scratch that question, I already know the answer.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ br Who, what do you thin... (show quote)

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Jan 16, 2014 00:19:00   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
Look close people the light at the end of the tunnel are the flames from hell.

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Jan 16, 2014 03:26:54   #
squirrelmender Loc: Florida
 
Well said Tasine.

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Jan 16, 2014 04:17:46   #
Alicia Loc: NYC
 
alex wrote:
how can the federal gov't help the states when the only money the federal gov't has they have to take from the states then they keep most of it and send a pittance back to the states while patting themselves on the back and telling everyone what great guy's they are it would be better if the federal gov't took only what is needed for defense and get their nose out of the rest



Where do you get your theory of economics. As I stated earlier there are BOTH State and Federal Taxes deducted from income. What is deducted as Federal, goes there. State taxes go to the states. Each state sets its own schedule of taxes. In addition to income taxes, they also have various others such as those on purchases, assets, mortgages. I don't believe the states contribute to the support of the Federal government. They are always asking for handouts from the FG for infrastructure and to cover any natural disasters.

In the town I presently live the state received a grant for wheelchair access on almost every corner. Many times the ramp leads, not to a sidewalk, but onto grass. The city was unable(?) to implement these and got them done only because of a Federal Grant.

You must be quite paranoid to believe that the only expenditure of the Federal government should be directed toward defense. I'm sure you are not associated with the arts and education, but what about some support for them? Every industrialized country in the world supports the arts; some also support athletics, medical research, etc. No, you think only of aggression.

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Jan 16, 2014 05:04:16   #
Alicia Loc: NYC
 
Tasine wrote:
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Your comments would be funny were they not so silly. The political left doesn't even know what is meant by "taking responsibility for themselves". They have to have the government take care of all their "problems", such as a strong EPA, a strong IRS, a strong union, a strong civil rights court, etc. Conservatives don't see a great need for the government to "take care of them" because they are perfectly capable of taking care of themselves. Their parents taught them self-reliance. If you need the definition to "self-reliance" you can google dictionaries. The entire divide in this country is those who can handle their own problems vs those who must have the government handle their problems. If the political left were capable of taking care of themselves as conservatives do, there would be virtually no problems in this country.
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[Who, what do you think you are? ]

I am ME. I stand by my statement that in any large group of people leaders are necessary. You forget the greedy who are NOT in favor of caring for the group but only themselves.

[As to your last sappy paragraph, you say "According to your thinking, whichever way things turn out, it is the will of God or whatever terms you use. Did you ever think that he (Obama) is leading this country because he is what is needed at this time?]

[Your statement: You cannot possibly be referring to me. Will of God???????? You have never heard me utter this phrase because I have never uttered it.

[Next statement: When I mess something up, or KNOW I'm going to ... I use the phrase ... "The Lord's against me!" hillbilly slang and all.]

Not the Will of God?
If you know you're going to mess up, why don't you refrain from the action?

[My answer is that your first sentence in this graph is ridiculous, and comes from God knows where, certainly not from anything I wrote.]

I gather God knows where everything is.

[Also: That's a great cop-out ... is the entire story of all FALSE RELIGIONS!]

What are FALSE RELIGIONS? I gather the FALSE RELIGIONS consist of all but your own.

[If you need the definition to "self-reliance" you can google dictionaries.
Neither am I afraid of anarchy..........do you even know the true definition of anarchy? I doubt you
do. You see anarchy as frightening. I see it as freedom's light.]

You seem to have to google the dictionary quite often.

[If the political left were capable of taking care of themselves as conservatives do, there would be virtually no problems in this country.]
[Conservatives don't see a great need for the government to "take care of them" because they are perfectly capable of taking care of themselves.]"

And have decided that every citizen should live as they dictate! They're still hoping to reproduce the 50s. That machine you're communicating with has changed the world. “You can't go home again!”

There is no such thing as ANY situation without a problem. Just look at what is happening to the Conservative(?) GOP. They're falling apart.

[those of us who live it day in and day out and have done so for decades? ]

I'm wondering just where do you think I live? I am closing in on four score years. If you don't know what that means, google it.

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Jan 16, 2014 07:50:42   #
cold iron Loc: White House
 
Alicia wrote:
My comment was directed specifically at you.

The larger the population gets, the more need for government or else we'd have anarchy. It is obvious that every group of people search for a leader. On the smallest scale (the community) there is this need. As the group becomes larger, there is more need for leadership.

The states joined together for greater security and, yes, power. There is still the need for this grouping. Otherwise we'd be having wars between the states. The Federal government is there to prevent such events and that's why the groups in government are necessary. Our Founding Fathers were very wise people to have created the government to insure a method of checks and balances. This is to prevent any one group from overrunning the country.

Many of the states request assistance from the Federal Government to help with their costs of infrastructure and certainly in times of climate disaster. In order to have this cushion, they must adhere to certain regulations. Many have forgotten this - especially the Right. They have only one goal and that is to make our President seem ineffective.

According to your thinking, whichever way things turn out, it is the will of God or whatever terms you use. Did you ever think that he (Obama) is leading this country because he is what is needed at this time?
My comment was directed specifically at you. br b... (show quote)



If you think a bit, you will see that when the government is ALL and there seems to be to many people, it will do away with what it feels are unfit for it's system. If you check history you will find this is a fact.

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Jan 16, 2014 10:29:38   #
alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa
 
Alicia wrote:
Where do you get your theory of economics. As I stated earlier there are BOTH State and Federal Taxes deducted from income. What is deducted as Federal, goes there. State taxes go to the states. Each state sets its own schedule of taxes. In addition to income taxes, they also have various others such as those on purchases, assets, mortgages. I don't believe the states contribute to the support of the Federal government. They are always asking for handouts from the FG for infrastructure and to cover any natural disasters.

In the town I presently live the state received a grant for wheelchair access on almost every corner. Many times the ramp leads, not to a sidewalk, but onto grass. The city was unable(?) to implement these and got them done only because of a Federal Grant.

You must be quite paranoid to believe that the only expenditure of the Federal government should be directed toward defense. I'm sure you are not associated with the arts and education, but what about some support for them? Every industrialized country in the world supports the arts; some also support athletics, medical research, etc. No, you think only of aggression.
Where do you get your theory of economics. As I s... (show quote)


I suppose you think those federal taxes don't come from the states what they grab them out of thin air? I get the feeling I am guilty of arguing with an idiot

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Jan 16, 2014 10:42:45   #
stan3186
 
alex wrote:
I suppose you think those federal taxes don't come from the states what they grab them out of thin air? I get the feeling I am guilty of arguing with an idiot


Actually, Alex, the federal taxes come from the people ( of a State) which could be interpreted as coming from the State because the State could collect the taxes instead of the Feds. So, an argument can be made that those taxes come from the States.

However, there are taxes that come directly to the Feds, not from the people but from taxes levied on goods coming in and out of the U.S. Ports as are tariffs. Any taxes collected from any Federally owned property, which are the ports and other properties such as National parks etc. really don't come from the States but go directly to the Feds as the property is owned by the Feds.

In short, not all taxes are taken from the coffers of the States, but most are.

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Jan 16, 2014 10:53:05   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
Alicia wrote:
********************
[Who, what do you think you are? ]

I am ME. I stand by my statement that in any large group of people leaders are necessary. You forget the greedy who are NOT in favor of caring for the group but only themselves.

[As to your last sappy paragraph, you say "According to your thinking, whichever way things turn out, it is the will of God or whatever terms you use. Did you ever think that he (Obama) is leading this country because he is what is needed at this time?]

[Your statement: You cannot possibly be referring to me. Will of God???????? You have never heard me utter this phrase because I have never uttered it.

[Next statement: When I mess something up, or KNOW I'm going to ... I use the phrase ... "The Lord's against me!" hillbilly slang and all.]

Not the Will of God?
If you know you're going to mess up, why don't you refrain from the action?

[My answer is that your first sentence in this graph is ridiculous, and comes from God knows where, certainly not from anything I wrote.]

I gather God knows where everything is.

[Also: That's a great cop-out ... is the entire story of all FALSE RELIGIONS!]

What are FALSE RELIGIONS? I gather the FALSE RELIGIONS consist of all but your own.

[If you need the definition to "self-reliance" you can google dictionaries.
Neither am I afraid of anarchy..........do you even know the true definition of anarchy? I doubt you
do. You see anarchy as frightening. I see it as freedom's light.]

You seem to have to google the dictionary quite often.

[If the political left were capable of taking care of themselves as conservatives do, there would be virtually no problems in this country.]
[Conservatives don't see a great need for the government to "take care of them" because they are perfectly capable of taking care of themselves.]"

And have decided that every citizen should live as they dictate! They're still hoping to reproduce the 50s. That machine you're communicating with has changed the world. “You can't go home again!”

There is no such thing as ANY situation without a problem. Just look at what is happening to the Conservative(?) GOP. They're falling apart.

[those of us who live it day in and day out and have done so for decades? ]

I'm wondering just where do you think I live? I am closing in on four score years. If you don't know what that means, google it.
******************** br Who, what do you think yo... (show quote)

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I don't have a clue where you live, nor do I care. Possibly you live in the White House and are as clueless as the others who live there. Your claims are not worth the spittle on your keyboard as they are convoluted and turned inside out. There is so much wrong with your thinking that there is no way I will make any attempt to help you straighten it out.

One thing I WILL address to correct you, however, is that you say conservatives want everyone to live the way they live. That is partly true because we live decent lives, we are honest, we do not cheat, steal, lie, or screw around. We do not celebrate depravities, and we do not worship movie stars, politicians, or sports stars. We believe in the American way and we support our troops and we adhere to the US Constitution. Those are the ways we want others to be like us. We have never tried to force you, by threat, to live like us. The only exception being that we want babies to have the same protections as serial killers have when it comes to life.

OTOH, it is the political left who wants behavior legislated so that behavior that is not to their liking is CRIMINAL and punishable. It is the political left who voted in this travesty for a "President" and praise his idiotic edicts and his disdain of the US Constitution. It is the political left who praises "art" that is obscene and hateful. It is the political left who pushes the envelope and when it isn't liked by others, it becomes criminal for anyone to dislike it. It is the political left who uses the terms of control such as : hate speech, hate crime, racism, homophobe, republitard, etc. These are but a sampling of the caring, lovable left leaning communists in this country today. And the "President" the political left installed in the White House is THE biggest problem America has. He's a bigger problem than corporations, big business, big labor, big money, conservatives, liberals etc.

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Jan 16, 2014 12:04:42   #
ElAku
 
Alicia wrote:
Next statement: When I mess something up, or KNOW I'm going to ... I use the phrase ... "The Lord's against me!" hillbilly slang and all.

Not the Will of God?
If you know you're going to mess up, why don't you refrain from the action?

I jist told ye ... "The Lord's aginst me!"

Alicia wrote:
Also: That's a great cop-out ... is the entire story of all FALSE RELIGIONS!

What are FALSE RELIGIONS? I gather the FALSE RELIGIONS consist of all but your own.


Like everything else that's a damned lie! FALSE RELIGIONS are those that don't work! RE: Live up to their 'promises'! And you can start with That Great MURDERING Babylonian Harlot at Rome and Constantinople and all her fallout Harlot Daughters!
FYI, Akurians live by Holy Law, not the bellowings of hallelujah halfwits or conversion-by-dynamite psychopaths ...

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Jan 16, 2014 12:50:17   #
Alicia Loc: NYC
 
alex wrote:
I suppose you think those federal taxes don't come from the states what they grab them out of thin air? I get the feeling I am guilty of arguing with an idiot


I do believe you haven't read my statement. Read it again please and attempt to at least understand the words.

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Jan 16, 2014 12:52:52   #
Brian Devon
 
ElAku wrote:
Like everything else that's a damned lie! FALSE RELIGIONS are those that don't work! RE: Live up to their 'promises'! And you can start with That Great MURDERING Babylonian Harlot at Rome and Constantinople and all her fallout Harlot Daughters!
FYI, Akurians live by Holy Law, not the bellowings of hallelujah halfwits or conversion-by-dynamite psychopaths ...


I told him the same thing...that his idea of a false religion is anyone's except his own.

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Jan 16, 2014 13:08:10   #
Alicia Loc: NYC
 
Tasine wrote:
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I don't have a clue where you live, nor do I care. Possibly you live in the White House and are as clueless as the others who live there. Your claims are not worth the spittle on your keyboard as they are convoluted and turned inside out. There is so much wrong with your thinking that there is no way I will make any attempt to help you straighten it out.

One thing I WILL address to correct you, however, is that you say conservatives want everyone to live the way they live. That is partly true because we live decent lives, we are honest, we do not cheat, steal, lie, or screw around. We do not celebrate depravities, and we do not worship movie stars, politicians, or sports stars. We believe in the American way and we support our troops and we adhere to the US Constitution. Those are the ways we want others to be like us. We have never tried to force you, by threat, to live like us. The only exception being that we want babies to have the same protections as serial killers have when it comes to life.

OTOH, it is the political left who wants behavior legislated so that behavior that is not to their liking is CRIMINAL and punishable. It is the political left who voted in this travesty for a "President" and praise his idiotic edicts and his disdain of the US Constitution. It is the political left who praises "art" that is obscene and hateful. It is the political left who pushes the envelope and when it isn't liked by others, it becomes criminal for anyone to dislike it. It is the political left who uses the terms of control such as : hate speech, hate crime, racism, homophobe, republitard, etc. These are but a sampling of the caring, lovable left leaning communists in this country today. And the "President" the political left installed in the White House is THE biggest problem America has. He's a bigger problem than corporations, big business, big labor, big money, conservatives, liberals etc.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ br I don't have a clue... (show quote)


PSHAW! Have you reached the age of 16 yet? Evidentally not intellectually. I don't believe you've been reading the input from your compadres. If you will read further back in any of my comments, I NEVER used any made-up descriptive words or phrases as opposed to obamitard, obastard, etc. I think you ought to wear a larger headband because your brain is being squeezed so that it cannot function.

History will tell.

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Jan 16, 2014 13:44:07   #
ElAku
 
Alicia wrote:
PSHAW! Have you reached the age of 16 yet? Evidentally not intellectually. I don't believe you've been reading the input from your compadres. If you will read further back in any of my comments, I NEVER used any made-up descriptive words or phrases as opposed to obamitard, obastard, etc. I think you ought to wear a larger headband because your brain is being squeezed so that it cannot function.

History will tell.


Confirmed. :thumbup:

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