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Jan 10, 2014 11:24:22   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
You are nicer than I am when Some one ticks me off. I like your style.
jonhatfield wrote:
Kardon me, Kastrolite, I korgot to kugest you kinvite Banjo Kack and Kickey to your kantasy karty in kastrolite land with all the other kutty kightwing kuacks.


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Jan 10, 2014 11:29:23   #
astrolite
 
jonhatfield wrote:
Kardon me, Kastrolite, I korgot to kugest you kinvite Banjo Kack and Kickey to your kantasy karty in kastrolite land with all the other kutty kightwing kuacks.


Thank You for todays liberal laughable rant. I'm guessing that you are a worshiper of the Klintoons and don't like how I spell it??

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Jan 10, 2014 11:37:02   #
Glaucon
 
I have heard for a long time about the extreme political right and the massive research that has investigated and analyzed it. The apparently solid evidence that such a group exists and is an offshoot of the Republican party , is compelling. However, I have a question: I s there, as wingers would argue, an opposite and equal group that could be called an extreme left political group? Is there such a group? What would this group believe, what would its values be? What extreme liberals do that would identify them? Maybe normal is the other political group. I have been asking myself these questions for many years and I am still asking.
I am coming to believe that right wing extremism is a mental disorder, authoritarian personality disorder. If it is a disorder, disease, why does it have to have opposite extreme? Cancer doesn't have an opposite. T.B doesn't have an opposite. The common cold doesn't have an opposite. I have been asking myself these questions for many years and I am still asking.

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Jan 10, 2014 11:38:40   #
Glaucon
 
I have heard for a long time about the extreme political right and the massive research that has investigated and analyzed it. The apparently solid evidence that such a group exists and is an offshoot of the Republican party , is compelling. However, I have a question: I s there, as wingers would argue, an opposite and equal group that could be called an extreme left political group? Is there such a group? What would this group believe, what would its values be? What extreme liberals do that would identify them? Maybe normal is the other political group. I have been asking myself these questions for many years and I am still asking.
I am coming to believe that right wing extremism is a mental disorder, authoritarian personality disorder. If it is a disorder, disease, why does it have to have opposite extreme? Cancer doesn't have an opposite. T.B doesn't have an opposite. The common cold doesn't have an opposite. I have been asking myself these questions for many years and I am still asking.

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Jan 10, 2014 11:39:01   #
MarvinSussman
 
Randall_S wrote:
"Dogmatism is not realizing that we've gone into more debt during this president's 5 year tenure than nearly all other president's combined, yet increased spending will get us out of the depression we're in."
"Obama's" debt is due to the Bush Meltdown's drop of revenue and automatic relief stabilizers. The stimulus did a great job preventing another Hoover collapse and 25% unemployment rate.
Read it and learn something:: http://www.pitbulleconomics.com/stimulus.pdf

"You're a Keynesian"
Is that an obscene word?

"who just praised the economics of the Third Reich. Tyrants deficit spend to create jobs."
Tyrants eat food to survive. Do you also eat? Bad Boy!

"It's called forced employment. Apparently your study of Germany from 1932-1945 was only superficial."
Deficit spending causes employment. People are forced (by the police?) to stand in line and beg for a job during a depression

"Keynesianism is the stepping stone to a command economy. It is the deliberate overthrow of the capitalist order. We've been down this road before, as you said, under FDR."
Keynesianism gave you the TVA, so you can type your garbage in your air-conditioned shack in Dixie.

"What that led to was a decade long Depression"
The TVA extended the depression? Your grandpa probably took off his KKK uniform long enough to work on the project.

" that delivered Europe into the hands of rabid nationalism."
Hitler came to power before FDR. Your knowledge of history is somehow even worse than your economics.

"And you know what? History seems to be repeating itself."
Unfortunately, Republicans won't allow another TVA.

"Dogmatism is not realizing that we've gone i... (show quote)

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Jan 10, 2014 11:39:16   #
Glaucon
 
astrolite wrote:
Thank You for todays liberal laughable rant. I'm guessing that you are a worshiper of the Klintoons and don't like how I spell it??


I have heard for a long time about the extreme political right and the massive research that has investigated and analyzed it. The apparently solid evidence that such a group exists and is an offshoot of the Republican party , is compelling. However, I have a question: I s there, as wingers would argue, an opposite and equal group that could be called an extreme left political group? Is there such a group? What would this group believe, what would its values be? What extreme liberals do that would identify them? Maybe normal is the other political group. I have been asking myself these questions for many years and I am still asking.
I am coming to believe that right wing extremism is a mental disorder, authoritarian personality disorder. If it is a disorder, disease, why does it have to have opposite extreme? Cancer doesn't have an opposite. T.B doesn't have an opposite. The common cold doesn't have an opposite. I have been asking myself these questions for many years and I am still asking.

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Jan 10, 2014 11:42:14   #
RetNavyCWO Loc: VA suburb of DC
 
MarvinSussman wrote:
Your remark about balancing the budget hits the spot. Most conservatives have an insight into Accounting 101, yet, when it comes to the federal government, they forget what they know.

Where does money come from? Barring counterfeiting and a trade surplus, the Treasury is the only source.

How does money get into the economy (and only then into your wallet)?

It can’t come from banks. Loans have to be repaid with interest.

It can’t come from a trade surplus, which hasn’t happened in a generation and is nowhere in sight.

It can’t come from a balanced budget, which leaves nothing in the economy.

It can’t come from a budget surplus, which would take money out of the economy.

It has to come from a budget deficit, which is the ONLY way to put money into the economy.

Every spent federal dollar not repossessed by the IRS is saved by the private sector. Our annual budget deficit is exactly equal to the annual increase in private sector savings. YES! DEFICITS = SAVINGS! No deficits, no savings! A tax deficit is a savings surplus. It is money left on the table for the savers by Uncle Sam because he didn’t need it to prevent harmful inflation and because consumers need it to consume. We do not have a “national debt”. We have a “national savings”. The bad “Debt Clock” is really the good “Savings Clock”. How can we have too much savings?

Since bank loans must be repaid with interest and hard cash is moving to China, a tax deficit (savings surplus!) is the ONLY savings source that can sustain our economy. We need to DOUBLE our “national debt” / “national savings” to return it to the World War II level that was followed by 35 years of prosperity without harmful inflation, even with very high tax rates.

Our (“national debt: + total bank deposits) / GDP ratio is less than half of the comparable figure for China. Our M2 (money supply) / GDP ratio is half of Switzerland’s ratio and one quarter of Hong Kong’s ratio. Too much savings?

By calling our “national debt” / “national savings” unsustainable, a hoax meant to privatize Social Security and Medicare, Wall Street con artists seeking a fortune in commissions have panicked the ignorant public, journalists, and politicians in Congress and in the White House.

And, by bribing Congress into austerity, the Wall Street charlatans are nursing a huge army of unemployed labor to suppress the wages and working conditions of the middle class. As our rotting infrastructure renders our industry incompetent, it is that growing army of unemployed labor that will become “unsustainable”.
Your remark about balancing the budget hits the sp... (show quote)


You're a pretty smart guy, Marvin. Thanks for sharing with us. You have my respect!

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Jan 10, 2014 11:42:20   #
Glaucon
 
I have heard for a long time about the extreme political right and the massive research that has investigated and analyzed it. The apparently solid evidence that such a group exists and is an offshoot of the Republican party , is compelling. However, I have a question: I s there, as wingers would argue, an opposite and equal group that could be called an extreme left political group? Is there such a group? What would this group believe, what would its values be? What extreme liberals do that would identify them? Maybe normal is the other political group. I have been asking myself these questions for many years and I am still asking.
I am coming to believe that right wing extremism is a mental disorder, authoritarian personality disorder. If it is a disorder, disease, why does it have to have opposite extreme? Cancer doesn't have an opposite. T.B doesn't have an opposite. The common cold doesn't have an opposite. I have been asking myself these questions for many years and I am still asking.

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Jan 10, 2014 11:45:33   #
jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI
 
astrolite wrote:
Thank You for todays liberal laughable rant. I'm guessing that you are a worshiper of the Klintoons and don't like how I spell it??


Thank you. Yes, I do like the Clintons. I was for Hillary in 2008.

Gee, I was hoping for more details of your FEMA story. You know, uou should write it as science fiction. It doesn't work as political fiction, but it might sell as science fiction. You could invite Kack and Kickey and Kutton to be characters in your new cartoon version of Animal Farm--a quacky Duck Dynasty tasteful version that would make the best seller list.

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Jan 10, 2014 12:05:34   #
astrolite
 
Glaucon wrote:
I have heard for a long time about the extreme political right and the massive research that has investigated and analyzed it. The apparently solid evidence that such a group exists and is an offshoot of the Republican party , is compelling. However, I have a question: I s there, as wingers would argue, an opposite and equal group that could be called an extreme left political group? Is there such a group? What would this group believe, what would its values be? What extreme liberals do that would identify them? Maybe normal is the other political group. I have been asking myself these questions for many years and I am still asking.
I am coming to believe that right wing extremism is a mental disorder, authoritarian personality disorder. If it is a disorder, disease, why does it have to have opposite extreme? Cancer doesn't have an opposite. T.B doesn't have an opposite. The common cold doesn't have an opposite. I have been asking myself these questions for many years and I am still asking.
I have heard for a long time about the extreme pol... (show quote)


OK, You got it! The leftist, liberal conspiracy is the CPUSA, exposed many times! It attracts liberals too, Liberals are mentally ill people who make their own reality! Easy to convert to communism, since the 1800s communism has relyed on propaganda and lies, throughly documented, and lies are the lifeblood of liberals! See the connection? And the first time I heard the term "Great Right wing conspiracy was from Hilary after she was exposed as a lifelong communist, (With extra training in Cuba) She said it to DIVERT ATTENTION from herself and Bill. Both proven communists! Luckily I was in public schools when they taught the EVILS of communism, and how to recognize it! Now due to the NEA even the word commnism is forbidden in public schools, where they teach the CULT of environmentalism (another name for communism...as is Progressivism) The only organization of the right is "Patriotism and Love of Country" demonized by the communists! And the definition of Socialism...."The Last Step before Complete Communism". There, does that help you? Just like the Shrink told you, you are a prospective communist, being that you are already a "useful Idiot".

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Jan 10, 2014 12:47:49   #
jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI
 
Glaucon wrote:
I have heard for a long time about the extreme political right and the massive research that has investigated and analyzed it. The apparently solid evidence that such a group exists and is an offshoot of the Republican party , is compelling. However, I have a question: I s there, as wingers would argue, an opposite and equal group that could be called an extreme left political group? Is there such a group? What would this group believe, what would its values be? What extreme liberals do that would identify them? Maybe normal is the other political group. I have been asking myself these questions for many years and I am still asking.
I am coming to believe that right wing extremism is a mental disorder, authoritarian personality disorder. If it is a disorder, disease, why does it have to have opposite extreme? Cancer doesn't have an opposite. T.B doesn't have an opposite. The common cold doesn't have an opposite. I have been asking myself these questions for many years and I am still asking.
I have heard for a long time about the extreme pol... (show quote)


The rightwingers here on OPP are going to take your argument above as partisan slant, but i think it puts the rightwingnut forum phenomenon in true perspective. The FEMA rightwingnut thingy demonstrates there no real equivalent on the left.

Still, I think there is an extreme left and characteristics or stereotypical characteristics that apply, just that it's scattered, not quite so clubby and obvious a phenomenon...diluted extreme left rather than deluded extreme right. ha. Perhaps the extreme left faded as an organized phenomenon when the Soviet model failed. I still remain puzzled by the early 60s unilateral nuclear disarmament story line which, while not conspiracy story, had to have been communist conspiracy inspired. Not fantasy idea but irrational idea. There was also attempted ideological manipulation of race and war issues. Now it's true the issues are real enough...it's the positions and fabrications around the issues that define the extremes and the outside-the-norm (in plain terms, abnormal) extreme "character" or mindset...which brings us back to the characteristics enumberated in your opening post as in-the-ballpark definition. Now I would add, we all have these characteristics to some degree, thus some validity to "you tooism," but the question is degree that leads to such craziness as many of the extreme right wing OPP posted ideas. Or is it some trigger that move them onto this "different" track? I have a suspicion that unusual life circumstances or experiences, perhaps lower class situation or sense of wrongs to self might be the trigger or perhaps just social isolation (the only instance I have met face to face has lived in isolation all his adult life that I've known of him and is considered "odd" by the community--a yard full of old automobiles...seems harmless and nice enough from my somewhat eccentric viewpoint and an equally isolated late longest friend of my life, was a Clinton fan, but perhaps that was a difference between male and female...another political question of political leanings with stereotype of male conservative and female liberal (no extremes necessarily involved)...and I can just see Sutty going male responsibility versus female taker as explanation of the tendency. ha. Except the female liberals I know are the opposite of takers. Shouldn't have put that stray thought in. ha. You know, I'm not sure this whole subject of rightwingnuttery characterization and related other side stereotyping is politically correct...but it surely is fun and interesting and I agree halfway with rightwing critics of the idea that political correctness is sometimes just a matter of over-politeness. In any case, applying "you too" the extreme right wing has earned as much politically incorrect stereotyping as we can throw at them. Take that, you political freaks!

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Jan 10, 2014 13:16:23   #
jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI
 
astrolite wrote:
OK, You got it! The leftist, liberal conspiracy is the CPUSA, exposed many times! It attracts liberals too, Liberals are mentally ill people who make their own reality! Easy to convert to communism, since the 1800s communism has relyed on propaganda and lies, throughly documented, and lies are the lifeblood of liberals! See the connection? And the first time I heard the term "Great Right wing conspiracy was from Hilary after she was exposed as a lifelong communist, (With extra training in Cuba) She said it to DIVERT ATTENTION from herself and Bill. Both proven communists! Luckily I was in public schools when they taught the EVILS of communism, and how to recognize it! Now due to the NEA even the word commnism is forbidden in public schools, where they teach the CULT of environmentalism (another name for communism...as is Progressivism) The only organization of the right is "Patriotism and Love of Country" demonized by the communists! And the definition of Socialism...."The Last Step before Complete Communism". There, does that help you? Just like the Shrink told you, you are a prospective communist, being that you are already a "useful Idiot".
OK, You got it! The leftist, liberal conspiracy... (show quote)


CLASSIC...I wonder what what circumstantial trigger made Astroman or Astrowoman (this person sounds as rabid as Carolyn but more into fantasyland) into such an extreme right wing nut?

The NEA made the word Communism forbidden in schools? My National Education Association that refused to combine with the union AFT, American Federation of Teachers. forty years ago? How come the word continues in use in public school history classes then??? That's Astroer or Astroess nonsense about my NEA. You are lying from up there in the Astrosphere. You just don't like anything with the word education involved. You must be a Tea Partyer. Do you home school so the next generation won't be indoctrinated with education?

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Jan 10, 2014 13:18:52   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Glaucon wrote:
I have heard for a long time about the extreme political right and the massive research that has investigated and analyzed it. The apparently solid evidence that such a group exists and is an offshoot of the Republican party , is compelling. However, I have a question: I s there, as wingers would argue, an opposite and equal group that could be called an extreme left political group? Is there such a group? What would this group believe, what would its values be? What extreme liberals do that would identify them? Maybe normal is the other political group. I have been asking myself these questions for many years and I am still asking.
I am coming to believe that right wing extremism is a mental disorder, authoritarian personality disorder. If it is a disorder, disease, why does it have to have opposite extreme? Cancer doesn't have an opposite. T.B doesn't have an opposite. The common cold doesn't have an opposite. I have been asking myself these questions for many years and I am still asking.
I have heard for a long time about the extreme pol... (show quote)


Of course they have opposites. It's called "good health."

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Jan 10, 2014 13:26:55   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
astrolite wrote:
Thank You for todays liberal laughable rant. I'm guessing that you are a worshiper of the Klintoons and don't like how I spell it??


You DISAGREED!! jonhatfield has no solutions, no answers. His entire repetoire consists of lameass attempts at satirizing anyone with the audacity to disagree with his Lilliputian forays into erudition. I personally encourage his contributions, because he makes sponges look smart. I save his posts, indeed, I treasure them; whenever I do something really stupid, I read one of them and feel better about myself. Most of his postings are elegant proof of the Peter Principle.

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Jan 10, 2014 13:33:13   #
Randall_S Loc: Big Apple
 
If I'm not mistaken, FDR and Hitler were both "elected" in 1932/1933, so about the same time.

As for Keynesianism and the rise of the Third Reich, two quick points and I simply don't have time to get into the rest right now:

1. It was Hoover, who in 1939, started the New Deal, in fact. He was the original New Dealer.
2. Keynes himself wrote admiringly of Hitler's economy, as you did.

What's that tell us?

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