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Aug 30, 2016 15:27:00   #
righty Loc: Tenn
 
Raylan Wolfe wrote:
Wrong again as usual! The stars and bars was not the official flag of the CSA, it was a battle flag used at sea! It did not become popular in the US, until the KKK adopted, it as their flag!

http://www.usflag.org/confederate.stars.and.bars.html


And please tell us when the Democrats started the Kkk? It was after the war correct. How many black soldiers carried the Conferderste battle flag during the war? That flags original intent had nothing what so ever to do with slavery, the Kkk, nada, zip, zilch. You people can spin it every which way till sundown, but you are wrong, wrong, wrong. The stolen flag by the democrat clan should carry no weight on the original intent. I'm driving home to Miss. This weekend to fill the mass graves of Confederate soldiers with confederate flags knowing I have family buried there. They weren't clansmen, most were just young farm boys who fought and died with honor. That honor is unfortunately something you Dems do not possess and never will.

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Aug 30, 2016 15:28:52   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
A Democrat In 2016 wrote:
That is hilarious how the right concludes that blacks cannot think for themselves when blacks have become the most sophisticated voting block and turn out at higher rates than anyone. People tell us to vote their way when their party offers nothing and in the process, we serve their political purposes. Everything black people fight for politically, the right attacks, from AA to Voting Rights, then tell us like children that we do not know what is in our best interest, politically. It would be insulting if not expected from them.
That is hilarious how the right concludes that bla... (show quote)


A simple solution is to start your own 'black folks only' party, that wouldn't be racist at all. Then you could spend your time in mutual admiration and easily achieve a solid platform, greatly benefiting yourselves. You wouldn't have to talk to right wingers or lefists since they are both mostly white folks and who cares what they think.

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Aug 30, 2016 15:42:05   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
A Democrat In 2016 wrote:
http://www.civilwar.org/education/history/secession/




Read the link I provided you, there was no extensive discussion of slavery, only a reference to the slave holding states. I am color bling but the pie charts if I interpreted them correctly are indicating 54, 56 and 73% of those states secession acts, devoted to defense of slavery and that is a blatant lie. Again, read the source documents for the acts. I don't know what axe this guy had to grind, but his writings are not supported by the documentation.

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Aug 30, 2016 15:53:50   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Raylan Wolfe wrote:
Wrong again as usual! The stars and bars was not the official flag of the CSA, it was a battle flag used at sea! It did not become popular in the US, until the KKK adopted, it as their flag!

http://www.usflag.org/confederate.stars.and.bars.html
You just continue to amaze with your slip shod spins and empty obfuscations. The Stars and Bars WAS the national flag of the CSA, and it is quite different than the Confederate battle flag. Moreover, nearly every f*cking American in the US during the Civil War had no problem recognizing any of the CSA flags and what they stood for. So, yeah, the flag was quite "popular". There was a freaking war on, numbnuts.

In addition, the KKK, founded and populated by racist democrats, did not enter the stage until AFTER the war. The KKK did not "adopt" the flag as their own, they hijacked it. You know, like democrats do every day, take shit that isn't theirs.

Flags of the Confederacy

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Aug 30, 2016 16:05:08   #
Progressive One
 
Five myths about why the South seceded
http://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/five-myths-about-why-the-south-seceded/2011/01/03/ABHr6jD_story.html?utm_term=.50aceb621ec7

1. The South seceded over states’ rights.

Confederate states did claim the right to secede, but no state claimed to be seceding for that right. In fact, Confederates opposed states’ rights — that is, the right of Northern states not to support slavery.

On Dec. 24, 1860, delegates at South Carolina’s secession convention adopted a “Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union.” It noted “an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery” and protested that Northern states had failed to “fulfill their constitutional obligations” by interfering with the return of fugitive slaves to bondage. Slavery, not states’ rights, birthed the Civil War.

South Carolina was further upset that New York no longer allowed “slavery transit.” In the past, if Charleston gentry wanted to spend August in the Hamptons, they could bring their cook along. No longer — and South Carolina’s delegates were outraged. In addition, they objected that New England states let black men vote and tolerated abolitionist societies. According to South Carolina, states should not have the right to let their citizens assemble and speak freely when what they said threatened slavery.

Other seceding states echoed South Carolina. “Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery — the greatest material interest of the world,” proclaimed Mississippi in its own secession declaration, passed Jan. 9, 1861. “Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of the commerce of the earth. . . . A blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization.”

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Aug 31, 2016 05:45:55   #
john Christopher
 
Kevyn wrote:
It is long past due, perhaps they can use them to save money on toilet paper in the restrooms.


Maybe they could stick it up your ass pole an all. Stars an Bars forever. Only dam flag I would ever salute. Maybe drape one over that box they put you in one day. Wipe your ass with the stars an stripes if your asshole is too large for toilet paper.

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Aug 31, 2016 05:59:12   #
hprinze Loc: Central Florida
 
A Democrat In 2016 wrote:
Five myths about why the South seceded
http://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/five-myths-about-why-the-south-seceded/2011/01/03/ABHr6jD_story.html?utm_term=.50aceb621ec7

1. The South seceded over states’ rights.

Confederate states did claim the right to secede, but no state claimed to be seceding for that right. In fact, Confederates opposed states’ rights — that is, the right of Northern states not to support slavery.

On Dec. 24, 1860, delegates at South Carolina’s secession convention adopted a “Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union.” It noted “an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery” and protested that Northern states had failed to “fulfill their constitutional obligations” by interfering with the return of fugitive slaves to bondage. Slavery, not states’ rights, birthed the Civil War.

South Carolina was further upset that New York no longer allowed “slavery transit.” In the past, if Charleston gentry wanted to spend August in the Hamptons, they could bring their cook along. No longer — and South Carolina’s delegates were outraged. In addition, they objected that New England states let black men vote and tolerated abolitionist societies. According to South Carolina, states should not have the right to let their citizens assemble and speak freely when what they said threatened slavery.

Other seceding states echoed South Carolina. “Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery — the greatest material interest of the world,” proclaimed Mississippi in its own secession declaration, passed Jan. 9, 1861. “Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of the commerce of the earth. . . . A blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization.”
Five myths about why the South seceded br http://w... (show quote)


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The war was not about slavery and it was not about ststs' rights.

It ws about money

Thee US levies a 23% import tax on all outhern seaports. It was not levird on northern ports.

In 1860 it was increased to 43%

That was the straw that broke the camels back and caused the first seven states to secede

75% of the US revenue came from the south and 90% of it was spent in the north

Secretary of State Seward asked Lincoln why he did not allow the south to go in peace.

Lncoln's reply was that then he would have no mony to run the government

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Aug 31, 2016 06:30:23   #
tidbit
 
You intentionally antagonize people you're ignorant I skip your little posts they're not worth reading!

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Aug 31, 2016 06:32:13   #
tidbit
 
That was meant for kevyn

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Aug 31, 2016 07:14:06   #
PeterS
 
A Democrat In 2016 wrote:
Five myths about why the South seceded
http://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/five-myths-about-why-the-south-seceded/2011/01/03/ABHr6jD_story.html?utm_term=.50aceb621ec7

1. The South seceded over states’ rights.

Confederate states did claim the right to secede, but no state claimed to be seceding for that right. In fact, Confederates opposed states’ rights — that is, the right of Northern states not to support slavery.

On Dec. 24, 1860, delegates at South Carolina’s secession convention adopted a “Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union.” It noted “an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery” and protested that Northern states had failed to “fulfill their constitutional obligations” by interfering with the return of fugitive slaves to bondage. Slavery, not states’ rights, birthed the Civil War.

South Carolina was further upset that New York no longer allowed “slavery transit.” In the past, if Charleston gentry wanted to spend August in the Hamptons, they could bring their cook along. No longer — and South Carolina’s delegates were outraged. In addition, they objected that New England states let black men vote and tolerated abolitionist societies. According to South Carolina, states should not have the right to let their citizens assemble and speak freely when what they said threatened slavery.

Other seceding states echoed South Carolina. “Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery — the greatest material interest of the world,” proclaimed Mississippi in its own secession declaration, passed Jan. 9, 1861. “Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of the commerce of the earth. . . . A blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization.”
Five myths about why the South seceded br http://w... (show quote)


Without slaves the southern economy would collapse. The war was about the survival of southern institutions--mainly slavery...

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Aug 31, 2016 07:21:53   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
hprinze wrote:
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The war was not about slavery and it was not about ststs' rights.

It ws about money

Thee US levies a 23% import tax on all outhern seaports. It was not levird on northern ports.

In 1860 it was increased to 43%

That was the straw that broke the camels back and caused the first seven states to secede

75% of the US revenue came from the south and 90% of it was spent in the north

Secretary of State Seward asked Lincoln why he did not allow the south to go in peace.

Lncoln's reply was that then he would have no mony to run the government
=========================================== br br... (show quote)



You are absolutely correct, This was the trigger and the overall reason for the secession. Democrat in 2016 keeps posting all that bull about slavery in the acts of secession for the various states and there was no such discussion. Three of the states expressed interest in joining other slave holding states to form a new union and that was the extent of the slavery issue.

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Aug 31, 2016 07:28:34   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
PeterS wrote:
Without slaves the southern economy would collapse. The war was about the survival of southern institutions--mainly slavery...


Without slaves, the Northern economy would collapse because the South, through its exports, provided the majority of the operating funds for the Union. It took slaves to generate the products to be exported. The war was about the North's determination to keep their cash cow under control, and in the Union, paying the bills. At the same time they played the holier than thou card and created legal barriers to slavery everywhere. It was a case of "not in my back yard".

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Aug 31, 2016 08:52:11   #
LG Loc: TENNESSEE
 
[quoncludes that blacks cannot think for themselves when blacks have become the most sophisticated voting block and turn out at higher rates than anyone. People tell us to vote their way when their party offers nothing and in the process, we serve their political purposes. Everything black people fight for politically, the right attacks, from AA to Voting Rights, then tell us like children that we do not know what is in our best interest, politically. It ould be insulting if not expected from them.[/quote]


DEM
What's even more HILARIOUS is what you said the Reputations do, QUOTE: "People tell us to vote their way when their party offers nothing and in the process, we serve their political purposes", Now that's a text book definition of the way the DEMOCRAT PARTY has done blacks for years, and to say blacks serve the Republicans for a political purposes, is total BS. Case and point, this is an election year and DEMOCRATS has been all over the black group BLM, and the REPUBLICANS say ALL LIVES MATTER. then you said, "the right concludes that blacks cannot think for themselves" again a text book example of the DEMOCRAT PARTY, you know the one's for big government, control, and regulations. As far as the blacks being the most SOPHISTICATED VOTING BLOCK, you must have pulled that one right out of you ass, because you can pick any major city that's ran by DEMOCRATS, are a total mess from debt, to crime, and we know blacks vote DEMOCRAT, so from that to the way they do nothing big give blacks a bunch of lip service for their vote, with nothing in return, and blacks have voted Democrat forever and are still complaining because they can't get ahead and still live in the projects. Well if that's sophisticated then I guess they are. But I also attached a link with that sophistication at work from those who voted and that of the candidate elected.



http://youtu.be/zNZczIgVXjg

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Aug 31, 2016 10:35:16   #
Morgan
 
A Democrat In 2016 wrote:
Not after 64....it became a symbol of far right racism...everyone knows that...it is still that way...Dylan Roof was not liberal or race-friendly.....

http://www.civilwar.org/education/history/secession/

One method by which to analyze this historical conflict is to focus on primary sources. Every state in the Confederacy issued an “Article of Secession” declaring their break from the Union. Four states went further. Texas, Mississippi, Georgia and South Carolina all issued additional documents, usually referred to as the “Declarations of Causes," which explain their decision to leave the Union. The documents can be found in their entirety here.

Two major themes emerge in these documents: slavery and states' rights. All four states strongly defend slavery while making varying claims related to states' rights. Other grievances, such as economic exploitation and the role of the military, receive limited attention in some of the documents. This article will present, in detail, everything that was said in the Declarations of Causes pertaining to these topics.
Not after 64....it became a symbol of far right ra... (show quote)


Technically wars are always about economics, but the emotional attachments like religion or race are effectively put in place to impassion people to the fight at hand. No matter how you want to label the true reason of the civil war, the collateral benefit dismantled that personal moral issue of slavery, which was the right thing. As far as the confederate flag it should only be displayed publicly in historic museums, in the past where it belongs.

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Aug 31, 2016 11:53:17   #
Carol Kelly
 
A Democrat In 2016 wrote:
The Civil War symbol won’t be flown at any permanent flag pole at a national cemetery.

SARAH D. WIRE
WASHINGTON — The Department of Veterans Affairs is changing its policy on displaying the Confederate flag, at the urging of Rep. Jared Huffman (D-San Rafael) and other House Democrats.
In a letter to Huffman, Interim Under Secretary for Memorial Affairs Ronald Walters wrote that the new policy will prohibit the Confederate flag from being flown at any permanent flag pole at a national cemetery.
“We are aware of the concerns of those who wish to see Confederate flags removed from public venues because they are perceived by many as a symbol of racial intolerance,” the letter states.
“We are also aware that the national cemeteries originated during the Civil War and that they are the final resting places of those who served on both sides of that conflict and as such flags of the Confederacy are also viewed by some merely as historical symbols.”
The policy will continue to allow private organizations to display the Confederate flag on individual Confederate soldiers’ graves on certain days.
The flag can also still be displayed at certain ceremonies and at private burials taking place at national cemeteries.
Earlier this year, the House voted 265 to 159 to approve an amendment with the new policy to the 2017 National Defense Authorization Act, but the amendment was not included in the final version.
At that point Huffman, who led the amendment with Reps. Ruben Gallego (D-Ariz.) and Keith Ellison (D-Minn.), requested that the Department of Veterans Affairs make the policy change itself.
“While racist individuals and groups continue to embrace the Confederate battle flag, it has never been more clear that this anachronistic symbol of hatred, slavery, and insurrection should not be promoted or gratuitously displayed on federal property,” Huffman said in a statement.
“That’s why I am so grateful that the Department of Veterans Affairs responded to our letter and to public concerns and decided to prohibit the large-scale display of Confederate flags on our national veterans cemeteries.” sarah.wire@latimes.com   Twitter: @sarahdwire


PAUL HOLSTON Associated Press
REP. JARED HUFFMAN (D-San Rafael) speaks on Capitol Hill in June during a protest against Confederate symbolism on the Mississippi flag.
The Civil War symbol won’t be flown at any permane... (show quote)


I wish they'd keep their ideas of the Mississippi flag alone. Let
Mississippians have their flag (our flag). We voted a couple of years ago to keep it and
the people's voice should be heard. My husband and I visited the Vicksburg Civil War cemetery a few years ago only to find nothing but Union graves. Only one thing represented the South and that was a Louisiana battalion of blacks fighting for the Union. Even Northerners were astounded. Just saying.
Seems like an interesting point. To us the Confederate flag is an historic symbol. CK

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