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Dec 19, 2013 13:11:33   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
Perhaps if those poor working suckers were treated better for what they do there would be just a few less problems.

Why is greed only good if you have a lot. But if you are poor & wanting a bit of the pie bad?

Have you no foresight as to where this is a leading to.

To you truly take pride in these actions.


Why is endeavoring to make a profit, under a confiscatory Government , so bad? If it weren't for businesses, both large and small, there wouldn't be any employment at all. I don't see any of those "poor working suckers" advocating that the Government get off the backs of industry. If it, the Government, did perhaps industry could raise wages to whatever you would consider 'fair'. What you don't seem to comprehend is that whenever wages are increased, industry, in turn, has to increase the price of its product to remain viable. That, in turn, leads to an inflationary cycle which is never ending.

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Dec 19, 2013 13:16:14   #
viet vet
 
Old_Gringo wrote:
Why is endeavoring to make a profit, under a confiscatory Government , so bad? If it weren't for businesses, both large and small, there wouldn't be any employment at all. I don't see any of those "poor working suckers" advocating that the Government get off the backs of industry. If it, the Government, did perhaps industry could raise wages to whatever you would consider 'fair'. What you don't seem to comprehend is that whenever wages are increased, industry, in turn, has to increase the price of its product to remain viable. That, in turn, leads to an inflationary cycle which is never ending.
Why is endeavoring to make a profit, under a confi... (show quote)


those poor working suckers is where the demand for services and products are , and the less they have to spend the less their demand gets realized , using your logic , they should work for free to maximize corporate profits

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Dec 19, 2013 13:17:37   #
Harpooner1
 
Old_Gringo wrote:
And what caused the Stock Market to crash? It was the insidious manipulation by the Democrats that caused the 'Housing Bubble' to burst. That caused a ripple effect on the entire economy.


In the 90's you had a movement for looser requirements for lending. Yeah...Democrats. Not a bad idea, really, it did spark a boom for housing, but, it was an artificial bubble. Unintended consequences. Money goes where it's treated best. The rise in the stock market is predictable when you have the returns that are there. Can you get anything on a CD? Savings? No. So, this is a function of the fiscal policies and monetary policies. Kicking the can down the road has become the new Washington sport.

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Dec 19, 2013 13:20:59   #
VladimirPee
 
He needs to watch more Comedy Central

Brian Devon wrote:
Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I just looked and wuddayouknow...I'm low on talking points. I need some more fuel. Time to go watch the mainstream media, maybe go to a movie and take in some Hollywood "socialist race-mixing" propaganda???? Eh??

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Dec 19, 2013 13:21:34   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
Old_Gringo wrote:
Why is endeavoring to make a profit, under a confiscatory Government , so bad? If it weren't for businesses, both large and small, there wouldn't be any employment at all. I don't see any of those "poor working suckers" advocating that the Government get off the backs of industry. If it, the Government, did perhaps industry could raise wages to whatever you would consider 'fair'. What you don't seem to comprehend is that whenever wages are increased, industry, in turn, has to increase the price of its product to remain viable. That, in turn, leads to an inflationary cycle which is never ending.
Why is endeavoring to make a profit, under a confi... (show quote)


At what point is a profit enough?

If I follow your line of thought there may not be any limits to profit. That is until some one or a few have it all & there there will be no way to make any more profit as how can you make a profit if you have it all.

Is that the goal you seek a few people with every thing?

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Dec 19, 2013 13:24:12   #
VladimirPee
 
Profit should be dictated by the market. If your product priced correctly people will buy it. If you overprice it they won't buy it.


Floyd Brown wrote:
At what point is a profit enough?

If I follow your line of thought there may not be any limits to profit. That is until some one or a few have it all & there there will be no way to make any more profit as how can you make a profit if you have it all.

Is that the goal you seek a few people with every thing?

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Dec 19, 2013 13:24:53   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
viet vet wrote:
those poor working suckers is where the demand for services and products are , and the less they have to spend the less their demand gets realized , using your logic , they should work for free to maximize corporate profits


Your Socialist/ Keynesian philosophy is quite illogical and unworkable. The demand for services and products are what give people employment. Without the demand for services and products there would be a dearth of employment opportunities for those desirous of supporting themselves without going on the government dole.

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Dec 19, 2013 13:26:49   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
viet vet wrote:
those poor working suckers is where the demand for services and products are , and the less they have to spend the less their demand gets realized , using your logic , they should work for free to maximize corporate profits


You know what. There seems to be a movement by some to see that happen.

Some feel that it is important to have it all even if it is less that they could have by taking less.

It is all about the size of the pie.

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Dec 19, 2013 13:29:17   #
Harpooner1
 
Old_Gringo wrote:
Why is endeavoring to make a profit, under a confiscatory Government , so bad? If it weren't for businesses, both large and small, there wouldn't be any employment at all. I don't see any of those "poor working suckers" advocating that the Government get off the backs of industry. If it, the Government, did perhaps industry could raise wages to whatever you would consider 'fair'. What you don't seem to comprehend is that whenever wages are increased, industry, in turn, has to increase the price of its product to remain viable. That, in turn, leads to an inflationary cycle which is never ending.
Why is endeavoring to make a profit, under a confi... (show quote)


Old Gringo.... Business..." You didn't make that.."

Oh, the government did...Yeah, right...

Products in the marketplace survive or fail due to use and usefulness. Just as you and I survive. I would love to have the girl of my dreams and just say to her, " I deserve you.." But, I am just a normal, average guy and I have to do a bit of work to get what I want... She might not like me anyway, so, I have to improve. In the end, I get what I get.
But, I work for something that I don't give up.
Change is coming. And, it's not liberalism..

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Dec 19, 2013 13:35:54   #
VladimirPee
 
A Long time ago Keynesian theory was to circulate money into the economy in order for consumers to spend on goods and services which will then fuel our factories and create even more tax revenue flowing. Sounds logical right? Maybe in 1935 but today we have a different set of circumstances. Lets say we borrow $1 Billion from China and distribute it at the bottom of the economy. Consumers head to Walmart or Home Depot or the Subaru Dealer. They money does not remain in circulation very long before being sent back to China or Korea etc. Over 50% of the vehicles purchased under Cash for Clunkers were foreign made. Big winner was Hyundai.


Old_Gringo wrote:
Your Socialist/ Keynesian philosophy is quite illogical and unworkable. The demand for services and products are what give people employment. Without the demand for services and products there would be a dearth of employment opportunities for those desirous of supporting themselves without going on the government dole.

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Dec 19, 2013 14:23:23   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
Old_Gringo wrote:
You have quite evidently never studied history or read the book, "The Rise and Fall of The Roman Empire". If you want a true perspective of how our great Country is being systematically destroyed, might I suggest you acquire a copy and read it. If you are unable to afford it, check it out from your local library. It is quite illuminating. Another fine book to read, if you care to is Ayn Rands "Atlas Shrugged" While it is fictional, it is a blueprint of the destruction of our Country. You will probably poo-poo it because it was written (about 50 years ago) by what would be described in today's parlance as a Conservative. However, she lived some of it in her native Russia before emigrating to the United States, where she found the freedom she sought.
You have quite evidently never studied history or ... (show quote)

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Also fictional, based on Revelations, is the series "Left Behind", which describes in great detail the end of civilization. No one reading it can deny what is happening in the world. I don't necessarily believe everything in the Bible, but when I see evidence, I lean toward truth, and take heed. Good is bad, bad is good. Up is down. Down is up. Right is wrong. Wrong is right. A man hailed as a Mesiah, but without experience, arrives on the scene to "lead" the "left behind". He even commits murder in front of some of them, and they fail to see it happening. Sounds like it could have been Chris Matthews, or Bob Beckel. The dark side is pushing us toward the end of humanity as we know it, but, being deniers, cannot tabulate the effects they are witnessing, in some cases CAUSING. A great series every American should read.

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Dec 19, 2013 14:27:16   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
Old_Gringo wrote:
You have quite evidently never studied history or read the book, "The Rise and Fall of The Roman Empire". If you want a true perspective of how our great Country is being systematically destroyed, might I suggest you acquire a copy and read it. If you are unable to afford it, check it out from your local library. It is quite illuminating. Another fine book to read, if you care to is Ayn Rands "Atlas Shrugged" While it is fictional, it is a blueprint of the destruction of our Country. You will probably poo-poo it because it was written (about 50 years ago) by what would be described in today's parlance as a Conservative. However, she lived some of it in her native Russia before emigrating to the United States, where she found the freedom she sought.
You have quite evidently never studied history or ... (show quote)

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Dec 19, 2013 15:04:58   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
DennisDee wrote:
How is blocking the conservative agenda giving us a better life? Record numbers of people on food stamps? 75% of Obama jobs created are part time. Please elaborate


Or government jobs which engenders a voting block dependent on him.

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Dec 19, 2013 15:08:30   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
viet vet wrote:
only in your dreams do I advocate what you believe I do , I love the form of government we have and it will correct the imbalances the conservatives have created in time , probably longer than I would like but we will get back to normal, and you will have more to squeal about


Then why are you desirous of changing it to a N. Korea, Cuba, Viet Nam, or the former USSR style of government?

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Dec 19, 2013 15:19:03   #
viet vet
 
Old_Gringo wrote:
Then why are you desirous of changing it to a N. Korea, Cuba, Viet Nam, or the former USSR style of government?


I don't advocate that and never said so , I am more in line with the Pope , unlike you that advocate unrestrained capitalism that generates so much poverty, unless you are ok with the poverty that exists

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