Virginia Gov. McAuliffe restores voting rights, but not gun rights to ex Felons:...

son of witless

http://www.richmond.com/news/virginia/government-politics/article_771db279-34d6-5a3d-9557-a417a8afb212.html

If we are to believe the Democratic Governor of Virginia that he is restoring voting rights to right a wrong, then why not restore their second Amendment Rights to own firearms? Either you restore their full rights or you don't. Either they have paid their debt to society or they haven't.

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

son of witless wrote:

http://www.richmond.com/news/virginia/government-politics/article_771db279-34d6-5a3d-9557-a417a8afb212.html

If we are to believe the Democratic Governor of Virginia that he is restoring voting rights to right a wrong, then why not restore their second Amendment Rights to own firearms? Either you restore their full rights or you don't. Either they have paid their debt to society or they haven't.

Clearly he is trying to have it both ways.

viet vet

It is my belief that they never should have been deprived of their right to vote except will serving time confined, paroles and probationary people should have the right to vote as they are still citizens , and as far as guns are concerned gun control is a joke in this country as any nut can get a gun, I also have a question as to gun control if having guns makes us safer than this country should be the safest in the world since we have such a high level of ownership of weapons , and we are noty the safest and I do not believe that more guns will make us safer

Little Ball of Hate

viet vet wrote:

It is my belief that they never should have been d... (show quote)

Well. We DO know that taking guns away makes us less safe. Just look at Chicago. A record year for murders. Also, concealed carry is not the law of the land. If it was, we'd be a LOT safer. But we have many cities where people are not allowed to carry a firearm. These cities are why we have high crime rates. All that aside, all crime, especially murders, are lower than they've been in decades. That is a direct correlation with the number of guns sold since the pretender occupied the oval office. And, finally, the city of Detroit saw a dramatic drop in crime when the mayor allowed people to carry concealed weapons. Do you see a pattern there?

viet vet

then why are we not the safest country in the world if carrying weapons is the answer , you have ignore the question I asked and your answer did no0t answer my question . if gun ownership was the main reason for safety then Pakistan should be even safer than our country .
The real answer is remove the culture of violence and reinforce ethics and morality and remove the perceived need to kill, more guns or less guns is not the answer and never was and never will be and that takes real education in ethical and morale values and a need by every individual to value others as much as we value ourselves

Little Ball of Hate

viet vet wrote:

then why are we not the safest country in the worl... (show quote)

You almost got it right. We do have a cultural and moral problem in this country. That is exactly why law abiding citizens need to be armed, and trained in the use of firearms. Until such time as we can make changes to the way people behave, We need to protect ourselves. Criminals will always be around. They will always disobey the law. Especially gun laws. Guns are not a deterrent. They are meant to protect the people who carry them.

BigMike Loc: yerington nv

son of witless wrote:

http://www.richmond.com/news/virginia/government-politics/article_771db279-34d6-5a3d-9557-a417a8afb212.html

If we are to believe the Democratic Governor of Virginia that he is restoring voting rights to right a wrong, then why not restore their second Amendment Rights to own firearms? Either you restore their full rights or you don't. Either they have paid their debt to society or they haven't.

That's what this former felon is saying.

BigMike Loc: yerington nv

viet vet wrote:

It is my belief that they never should have been d... (show quote)

We're not nearly the least safe either...and more safe countries seem to have a common culture. Japan...Sweden. There are a lot of numbers in these calculations.

Steve700

son of witless wrote:

http://www.richmond.com/news/virginia/government-politics/article_771db279-34d6-5a3d-9557-a417a8afb212.html

If we are to believe the Democratic Governor of Virginia that he is restoring voting rights to right a wrong, then why not restore their second Amendment Rights to own firearms? Either you restore their full rights or you don't. Either they have paid their debt to society or they haven't.

They probably shouldn't have their voting rights restored but certainly should not be allowed to have guns. Just because they have paid their debt to society certainly does not mean that there has been any change to their criminal mentality. They are likely to be even worse, having associated with nothing but other criminals for whatever time length they been in jail.

Hemiman Loc: Communist California

Steve700 wrote:

They probably shouldn't have their voting rights restored but certainly should not be allowed to have guns. Just because they have paid their debt to society certainly does not mean that there has been any change to their criminal mentality. They are likely to be even worse, having associated with nothing but other criminals for whatever time length they been in jail.

Yeah give them guns and we could also give them a map to all the seven elevens in the area..

Hemiman Loc: Communist California

viet vet wrote:

then why are we not the safest country in the worl... (show quote)

Tell that to one of the felons that shows up at your house to get some easy money for his drug hit,I am sure he will understand and go rob someone else.

Hemiman Loc: Communist California

viet vet wrote:

It is my belief that they never should have been d... (show quote)

More guns are needed to protect us from a government that turns on the citizens,of course that will never happen,right ?

S. Maturin

son of witless wrote:

http://www.richmond.com/news/virginia/government-politics/article_771db279-34d6-5a3d-9557-a417a8afb212.html

If we are to believe the Democratic Governor of Virginia that he is restoring voting rights to right a wrong, then why not restore their second Amendment Rights to own firearms? Either you restore their full rights or you don't. Either they have paid their debt to society or they haven't.

Quid pro quo.. as for felons not having 'gun rights'.. that's funny... most felons more easily obtain firearms than any law-abiding citizen.

That McAuliffe fella-- he's a big believer in reform activities of the prison systems in his state, isn't he?

What is it that rises to the democrat party top?????

gmanp135

Sorry,but have to disagree with that one,if their thought to still be a danger to society they should never have been released in the first place,and the way our government is criminalizing things now days there isn't a person out there who couldn't be in there with them,only difference is not all of us get caught.And if we expect them to pay taxes,hold jobs and function as the rest of society then we have no right asking them to forfeit any of their rights.And it amazes me how staunchly some support the 2nd only when it applies to them. Shall not be infringed means exactly that. Period.

Steve700 wrote:

They probably shouldn't have their voting rights restored but certainly should not be allowed to have guns. Just because they have paid their debt to society certainly does not mean that there has been any change to their criminal mentality. They are likely to be even worse, having associated with nothing but other criminals for whatever time length they been in jail.

S. Maturin

gmanp135 wrote:

Sorry,but have to disagree with that one,if their ... (show quote)

Good question. Good point.

Yet, we have tens of thousands of illegal violent felons who have been released to wander our neighborhoods by the very same government that insists we law-abiding citizens are a danger and our guaranteed rights be subverted. (Why do they fear us so?)

Then, there is the question of the designation, 'felon'. As one other poster mentioned, a normal citizen can be found to be a 'felon' for just about every infraction- like shooting/killing a feral cat here in NYS, for instance. My point is there are felons and then there are felons. Violent felons need heavy application of the legal system while 'white collar' felons, well, what did they do? All 'felons' are not equal, but in a mix of fear, ignorance, sloth, our government bureaucracy refuses to see that difference and all too often treats all the same.