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Dec 10, 2013 09:35:56   #
teaman
 
The writer of this article has not clue of the true meaning of scripture! Allow me to enlighten you as to what the true meaning(s) are, if you will accept it;

KEEP JESUS OUT OF YOUR SOCIALISM!!

From the words of Jesus and the New Testament, ministering to the poor and the needy among us is the work of Christian individuals and the church, not the secular government. Jesus said, "The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because He has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. . . ." Today's Religious Left wants to change that to, "He has anointed the federal government to preach good news to the poor."

The Christian gospel is a message of salvation, not a message of income redistribution and raising our neighbor's taxes. Jesus said that the way to serve the poor is by giving generously of our own resources. "But when you give a banquet," He said in Luke 14, "invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed. Although they cannot repay you, you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous."

The Religious Left is very generous -- with other people's money. In fact, I believe the founder of the Religious Left was none other than Judas Iscariot. When Mary, the sister of Lazarus, anointed Jesus with costly perfume just days before the crucifixion, Judas lectured her and said, "Why wasn't this perfume sold and the money given to the poor?"

Notice that Judas put on a show of caring for the poor -- even though the money was Mary's, not his! The motives of Judas, John 12:6 tells us, were corrupt and self-centered -- and Jesus responded with a stinging rebuke.

At least one of the Lord's disciples was a "social action Christian" in the Sojourners mold: Simon Zelotes (Simon the Zealot). Just as Sojourners president Jim Wallis was once president of the Michigan State chapter of the militant Students for a Democratic Society (SDS), Simon Zelotes was a young political radical who attached himself to Jesus because he thought Jesus would lead a revolt against the Roman Empire.

Simon saw Jesus as a political Messiah who would topple the powerful while lifting up the poor and oppressed. But Jesus was not a political Messiah. He didn't attack the Roman Empire. He did battle with the Evil Empire of Satan himself.

Jesus didn't tell the Roman government what its budget priorities should be. Why? Because His agenda was much larger than the agenda of Simon Zelotes or the Religious Left. His eyes were fixed on eternity. He said, "My kingdom is not of this world."

The Religious Left has missed the meaning of that statement. Yes, there is a place for Christian social action -- but that place is in a personal lifestyle of generosity and compassion to the poor. Jesus didn't tell the rich young ruler to become a political activist and affect public policy. He said, "Go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

It's true, there's poverty in America, and some of the poor can't lift themselves out of poverty without help. Some are physically or socially disadvantaged. Some are down on their luck. They need and deserve Christian compassion and the good news of the gospel.

But a huge number of people receiving government assistance are substance abusers, welfare cheats, or chronically lazy. Doesn't the Bible tell us, "If a man will not work, he shall not eat" (2 Thessalonians 3:10)? Why must the "makers" of society support the "takers" of society? That's not compassion. That's theft. Wouldn't it be more compassionate to encourage the takers to develop self-respect by becoming productive citizens?

Would Jesus endorse government policies that encourage and enable addiction, indolence, and welfare fraud? Certainly not. The Religious Left should read His parables, especially the Parable of the Talents (Matthew 25:14-30), the Parable of the Vineyards (Matthew 20:1-16), and the Parable of the Tenants (Matthew 21:33-46). In those parables, Jesus blesses hard work, personal responsibility, and the freedom to achieve.

Government programs can't separate the truly needy from the welfare cheats -- but private Christian charities can. Private charities are far more effective than government at meeting needs, changing lives, eliminating fraud and waste, and dispensing compassion. Our stance as Christians should be pro-compassion, not pro-bureaucracy.

The place for compassionate Christian social action is in the church, and in the lives of individual believers. When the church becomes a political pressure group, telling the government, "Confiscate more wealth from those who earned it and give it to those who have not," then the church has formed an unholy union with the kingdoms of this world.

Income redistribution is not Christianity. It's Marxism -- and mixing the two only pollutes the Gospel and betrays the Great Commission.

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Dec 10, 2013 09:35:57   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Searching wrote:
No, truly, thank you. I forgot to breathe for a moment. I know I must have, without realizing it, uttered a very soft "Ohhhh", because my husband asked if something was wrong. My reply was "no, at this exact moment, everything is very right." How articulate you are here and what insight. You give stunning clarity to the heart of the matter. It's really a shame, if I am the only one to have read this post. More's the pity. If I had the computer skills to do it, I would flash your post ALL OVER OPP, indeed I would.
No, truly, thank you. I forgot to breathe for a m... (show quote)


You humble me. You know when I was young, I did not understand so many things and now that I grow old, I can comprehend some...I hope that I live long enough to deserve your kind words.

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Dec 10, 2013 09:54:04   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Brian Devon wrote:
Why don't you debate as to whether Moses was a conservative or liberal? How about the easter bunny? How about Satan?

Like Jesus, these are all mythological characters. There has never been a shred of archaelogical or scientific evidence that any of them ever existed.

Debating whether Jesus was a conservative or liberal is like the old debate about "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin? What's the point? Why bother?


You are correct in one particular: Arguing the politics of Jesus is a waste of time. Your statement that he was mythological is a bit premature. I googled "historical proof of jesus outside the bible," and Jesus, (also referred to as "Yeshua," "Christus" and "Chrestus"), is mentioned by, among others, the historians Josephus, Tacitus, and Pliny the Younger. He is mentioned in the "Babylonian Talmud," a collection of Rabbinical writings from shortly after the crucifixion. (www.the thinking atheist.com and www.Probe Ministries.com) I could not get these two to post as clickable links. There are other references both pro and con, but the pros seem to outweigh the cons in believability. I make no claims of divinity, or anything else except the fact that there is more evidence of the existence of Jesus than there is of Alexander the Great, and no one questions his existence, even though most of the information we have on this historical character comes from Plutarch, who was far from his contemporary. There may be references from the writings of Aristotle, also, I haven't really looked. Yet.

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Dec 10, 2013 10:20:44   #
Searching Loc: Rural Southwest VA
 
ginnyt wrote:
You humble me. You know when I was young, I did not understand so many things and now that I grow old, I can comprehend some...I hope that I live long enough to deserve your kind words.


It's funny, isn't it, growing older, that for those of us who are lucky enough, to embrace the gift that comes from all those life experiences, to see things with so much more clarity than when we were younger. Some of us get it and the others, they just choose not to. They need to go back and take a remedial course. A close friend of mine, after we both passed the "50" mark made a comment one day after a particularly not-so-nice event occurred that by the time you reach 50, you either have done it, heard about it, or seen it, so you should not be surprised; however, it is important to be able to see "it" for what it really is. Oh, to know at 23 what we know today. Of course, the converse could be true (LOL) because some of us, if we had clairvoyance, might have just locked ourselves in our rooms and not come out!! Now, what fun would that have been??!!??

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Dec 10, 2013 10:46:26   #
jay-are
 
ginnyt wrote:
As a nation, we are judged by other countries on what we do; not on what the Democrats do or Republicans. So it is true with what we do for the needy, not as a political party but as each human should do. Each person should give as they see fit, not have someone tell them what they can afford. When we are judged, we will not come before God as a Conservative or Liberal or even a Moderate. We will go naked, with only our deeds and be judged independently of everyone else. There is no shame in taking care of your family first and then others. But, there is shame if you do not take care of your own family and then others. This is something that everyone should consider before having a family. A basic question, will I be able to cloth, house and feed my family?
As a nation, we are judged by other countries on w... (show quote)


If we are judged as a nation and the federal government becomes controlled by the liberal democrats, and our country is converted into a second Nazi regime, our nation will be judged as evil and bad. That is why conservatives and those of us who are morally upright, and ethical and honest must wrest control away from the liberal democrats.

We cannot do it together as one nation, because the liberal democrats want that nation to be socialist and controlled by a tyrannical, oppressive government, and the rest of us want that nation to be free with a government controlled by the people. There must be a struggle for how we will ultimately present ourselves to the rest of the world. We cannot be one nation if we are as divided as the above description indicates.

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Dec 10, 2013 10:50:39   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Augustus Greatorex wrote:
How does this post conform your position to #12?

You are a caviler stirring up animosity and contentions. Is it not your intent to bring war, dividing left from right, liberal from conservative?


I agree. There are those on the right who are just as guilty. They serve only to stir up more rancor amongst all.

P.S. Thank you, A-G! Cavil (er) is my new word for the day! I am always interested in learning something new, especially in the field of vocabulary. :thumbup: :mrgreen:

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Dec 10, 2013 10:55:59   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
ginnyt wrote:
A few books that may be of interest to you: Bart Ehrman's "Did Jesus Exist? and "The Jesus Discovery" (Simon & Schuster) by James Tabor and Simcha Jacobivici and the best one Jesus and His World: The Archaeological Evidence" (Westminster John Knox Press). All three are recent book, show evidence, and is well worth the read. I have a passion for anthropology and archeology, among my other interests I try to keep up on developing discoveries.


Just sayin', I find most of Ehrmans' books interesting! :wink:

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Dec 10, 2013 10:57:48   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
AuntiE wrote:
I mentioned the other day he is a secularist. He has no interest in possibly being incorrect.

I am trying to figure out who keeps leaving a basket at Easter if there is no Easter Bunny. It will be most upsetting if they stop. :mrgreen: :| :hunf:


Rest your pretty little head, AuntiE...I answered your concerns in a PM. :mrgreen:

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Dec 10, 2013 10:59:07   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
ginnyt wrote:
I got a pix of the one that vandalized my tulips last year!


From this day forward, your tulips are safe from me! :shock:

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Dec 10, 2013 11:00:46   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Searching wrote:
:thumbup: Such a class post. :thumbup:


She is a classy lady! :thumbup: :mrgreen:

As, are you, Searching! :wink:

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Dec 10, 2013 11:03:47   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
ginnyt wrote:
Thank you. I think you are the only one who read the comment. You are most kind.


Oh, Ginnyt, I read your posts, but only as I get to them.

I echo Searchings' comment, and had already done so, just minutes ago, before reading your "lament". :mrgreen:

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Dec 10, 2013 11:05:31   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
LAwrence wrote:
The liberalism of Jesus' day was quite different from today .He preached voluntary giving of yourself and your posessions.Today's liberalism is stealing from some to help others and keeping a good portion for yourself.


There is, unfortunately, a lot of truth in your statement! :thumbup:

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Dec 10, 2013 11:13:59   #
Searching Loc: Rural Southwest VA
 
ABBAsFernando wrote:
Jesus Christ is a CONSERVATIVE!

This is what God thinks of LIBERALS:

Isaiah 32:5-8
King James Version (KJV)
5 The vile person shall be no more called liberal, nor the churl said to be bountiful.

6 For the vile person will speak villany, and his heart will work iniquity, to practise hypocrisy, and to utter error against the Lord, to make empty the soul of the hungry, and he will cause the drink of the thirsty to fail.

7 The instruments also of the churl are evil: he deviseth wicked devices to destroy the poor with lying words, even when the needy speaketh right.

8 But the liberal deviseth liberal things; and by liberal things shall he stand.
i Jesus Christ is a CONSERVATIVE! br br This is... (show quote)


Well now, is that a fact? Cherry picking the Bible to prove your reality, but I must say kudos to you for being more polite than some with your reflections. So, in the interest of objective discourse, what does Isaiah 32:1-4 say (I may go look) because I note from your Bible quote that in (5) it says the vile person shall be no more considered liberal. If God takes care to make a distinction between liberal and vile .. hmmm, just wondering .. and maybe puzzled. Which side of the fence ARE you actually sitting on? Let me know.

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Dec 10, 2013 11:36:57   #
jay-are
 
ABBAsFernando wrote:
Jesus Christ is a CONSERVATIVE!

This is what God thinks of LIBERALS:

Isaiah 32:5-8
King James Version (KJV)
5 The vile person shall be no more called liberal, nor the churl said to be bountiful.

6 For the vile person will speak villany, and his heart will work iniquity, to practise hypocrisy, and to utter error against the Lord, to make empty the soul of the hungry, and he will cause the drink of the thirsty to fail.

7 The instruments also of the churl are evil: he deviseth wicked devices to destroy the poor with lying words, even when the needy speaketh right.

8 But the liberal deviseth liberal things; and by liberal things shall he stand.
i Jesus Christ is a CONSERVATIVE! br br This is... (show quote)


Here is the New American Standard Bible translation

Isaiah 32:1-8
Behold, a king will reign righteously
And princes will rule justly.
2 Each will be like a refuge from the wind
And a shelter from the storm,
Like streams of water in a dry country,
Like the shade of a huge rock in a parched land.
3 Then the eyes of those who see will not be blinded,
And the ears of those who hear will listen.
4 The mind of the hasty will discern the truth,
And the tongue of the stammerers will hasten to speak clearly.
5 No longer will the fool be called noble,
Or the rogue be spoken of as generous.
6 For a fool speaks nonsense,
And his heart inclines toward wickedness:
To practice ungodliness and to speak error against the Lord,
To keep the hungry person unsatisfied
And to withhold drink from the thirsty.
7 As for a rogue, his weapons are evil;
He devises wicked schemes
To destroy the afflicted with slander,
Even though the needy one speaks what is right.
8 But the noble man devises noble plans;
And by noble plans he stands.

I don't think the word "liberal" in the KJV means what the political word liberal means.

This translation puts the word "noble" where the KJV puts the word "liberal"

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Dec 10, 2013 11:51:08   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
jay-are wrote:
Here is the New American Standard Bible translation

Isaiah 32:1-8
Behold, a king will reign righteously
And princes will rule justly.
2 Each will be like a refuge from the wind
And a shelter from the storm,
Like streams of water in a dry country,
Like the shade of a huge rock in a parched land.
3 Then the eyes of those who see will not be blinded,
And the ears of those who hear will listen.
4 The mind of the hasty will discern the truth,
And the tongue of the stammerers will hasten to speak clearly.
5 No longer will the fool be called noble,
Or the rogue be spoken of as generous.
6 For a fool speaks nonsense,
And his heart inclines toward wickedness:
To practice ungodliness and to speak error against the Lord,
To keep the hungry person unsatisfied
And to withhold drink from the thirsty.
7 As for a rogue, his weapons are evil;
He devises wicked schemes
To destroy the afflicted with slander,
Even though the needy one speaks what is right.
8 But the noble man devises noble plans;
And by noble plans he stands.

I don't think the word "liberal" in the KJV means what the political word liberal means.

This translation puts the word "noble" where the KJV puts the word "liberal"
Here is the New American Standard Bible translatio... (show quote)


:thumbup: Good point, Jay-Are! Thanks.

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