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Dec 10, 2013 12:56:14   #
Searching Loc: Rural Southwest VA
 
slatten49 wrote:
There is, unfortunately, a lot of t***h in your statement! :thumbup:


Well, I agree with both you and Lawrence. Taking us out of the mixed political/religious side for a moment -- all those charities started to address real needs and the amount of money ascribed to "Administrative Costs" -- an eye opener to be sure. Yes indeed, they do let some of it go too, but in such "tiny" amounts, but I digress. That's a whole 'nother arena. I have to say, with a twinkle in my eye and a chuckle in my voice about those Liberals...well, at least they let go of "some" of it...now those other folks...(LOL).

In the short time since joining OPP, I will have to say I have come to be more reflective when I read a post that I don't necessarily agree with and ask myself why it is "really" that I don't agree -- h**e to admit it but sometimes having to work really hard to get past "the decibel level". A video that I have saved in my em's and one that I probably will forever leave there, at the end says "change your words, change the world." Yeah, I know I digressed again, having difficulty focusing today.

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Dec 10, 2013 14:18:16   #
Searching Loc: Rural Southwest VA
 
jay-are wrote:
Here is the New American Standard Bible t***slation

Isaiah 32:1-8
Behold, a king will reign righteously
And princes will rule justly.
2 Each will be like a refuge from the wind
And a shelter from the storm,
Like streams of water in a dry country,
Like the shade of a huge rock in a parched land.
3 Then the eyes of those who see will not be blinded,
And the ears of those who hear will listen.
4 The mind of the hasty will discern the t***h,
And the tongue of the stammerers will hasten to speak clearly.
5 No longer will the fool be called noble,
Or the rogue be spoken of as generous.
6 For a fool speaks nonsense,
And his heart inclines toward wickedness:
To practice ungodliness and to speak error against the Lord,
To keep the hungry person unsatisfied
And to withhold drink from the thirsty.
7 As for a rogue, his weapons are evil;
He devises wicked schemes
To destroy the afflicted with slander,
Even though the needy one speaks what is right.
8 But the noble man devises noble plans;
And by noble plans he stands.

I don't think the word "liberal" in the KJV means what the political word liberal means.

This t***slation puts the word "noble" where the KJV puts the word "liberal"
Here is the New American Standard Bible t***slatio... (show quote)


:D Thanks for clarifying for me my ponderings about fence sitting positions and the ASB version. Sometimes the KJV, while its poetic verse sounds more musical to the ear, "can" be misconstrued.

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Dec 10, 2013 14:28:05   #
Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan
 
BoJester wrote:
Some biblical passages that our right wing "christian" friends tend to ignore when condemning the concept of Liberalism.
Hope this article helps with the education of the less informed



http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/12/09/jesus-christ-liberal/


I think both sides distort the bible for their own causes....let's start there instead.

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Dec 10, 2013 14:31:08   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Dummy Boy wrote:
I think both sides distort the bible for their own causes....let's start there instead.


:thumbup: :mrgreen: :wink:

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Dec 10, 2013 14:38:47   #
jay-are
 
Dummy Boy wrote:
I think both sides distort the bible for their own causes....let's start there instead.


So you agree with me that we should read what is actually in the Bible, and not give credibility to anybody, on either side, who gives commentary.

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Dec 10, 2013 14:41:52   #
ABBAsFernando Loc: Ohio
 
Brian Devon wrote:
Why don't you debate as to whether Moses was a conservative or liberal? How about the easter bunny? How about Satan?

Like Jesus, these are all mythological characters. There has never been a shred of archaelogical or scientific evidence that any of them ever existed.

Debating whether Jesus was a conservative or liberal is like the old debate about "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin? What's the point? Why bother?


WRONG! You buy the DISINFORMATION of C*******t propaganda. Jesus Christ is a historical FACT! I know history is a challenge for Liberals but the Roman Empire was secular and you would have fit in very well then.

The point of angels on the head of pin is not what you think. This Earth is not what you think either. The entire Universe is a living being. The Holy Bible is a work of actual history which is proven by digs in the middle east. Look it up.

Only a FOOL says in his heart there is no God. If God did not exist You could not exist. It is this simple.

Your own arguments prove all those who choose to obey the Word of God are conservatives to include Jesus Christ for obeying the will of his Father GOD!

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Dec 10, 2013 14:45:53   #
ABBAsFernando Loc: Ohio
 
ginnyt wrote:
A few books that may be of interest to you: Bart Ehrman's "Did Jesus Exist? and "The Jesus Discovery" (Simon & Schuster) by James Tabor and Simcha Jacobivici and the best one Jesus and His World: The Archaeological Evidence" (Westminster John Knox Press). All three are recent book, show evidence, and is well worth the read. I have a passion for anthropology and archeology, among my other interests I try to keep up on developing discoveries.


Facts are something to FEAR if you happen to be a LIBERAL!

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Dec 10, 2013 14:49:03   #
ABBAsFernando Loc: Ohio
 
ginnyt wrote:
I find his entries problematic, sometimes he claims the Bible to be a myth and in other threads he talks about his religion.

The Easter Bunny....say it is not so! :| :(


Perhaps he refers to EVOLUTION! It cannot be proven using the Scientific Method and remains a FAITH. That which cannot be proven fits the definition of FAITH! Therefore Evolution is a Religion.

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Dec 10, 2013 17:51:16   #
Searching Loc: Rural Southwest VA
 
ABBAsFernando wrote:
Facts are something to FEAR if you happen to be a LIBERAL!


....is that a fact.... :D. The only folks that have something to fear are those who have really erred -- on "either" side -- because they will be found sorely lacking. :evil: You must have missed previous posts.

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Dec 10, 2013 18:14:21   #
Augustus Greatorex Loc: NE
 
Searching wrote:
....is that a fact.... :D. The only folks that have something to fear are those who have really erred -- on "either" side -- because they will be found sorely lacking. :evil: You must have missed previous posts.


You seem less to be Searching, than to have already found.

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Dec 10, 2013 18:22:53   #
Searching Loc: Rural Southwest VA
 
Augustus Greatorex wrote:
You seem less to be Searching, than to have already found.


No, still searching, but challenging others as well -- to stop and look objectively at "why" they feel the way they do. I'm always "open" to respectful dialogue, with emphasis on respectful. It felt like you were jabbing your finger into someone's chest, perhaps mine. Perhaps, a misconception on my part. That's what it's all about, isn't it? Open dialogue. I hope you will choose to join me in dialogue.

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Dec 10, 2013 18:32:19   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Augustus Greatorex wrote:
You seem less to be Searching, than to have already found.


I agree with you...on this lady, AugustusGreatorex! :thumbup:

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Dec 10, 2013 19:14:15   #
Searching Loc: Rural Southwest VA
 
Searching wrote:
No, still searching, but challenging others as well -- to stop and look objectively at "why" they feel the way they do. I'm always "open" to respectful dialogue, with emphasis on respectful. It felt like you were jabbing your finger into someone's chest, perhaps mine. Perhaps, a misconception on my part. That's what it's all about, isn't it? Open dialogue. I hope you will choose to join me in dialogue.


Sorry, that was really meant more for Abba..but open dialogue, I meant what I said, even if it was my perception that you disrespected oldladywaco. We have to start somewhere, but respectfully. If it isn't said respectfully, how does anyone expect to be heard. When you are rude and condescending, you are already sending a message that you consider the individual you are responding to of little consequence. Yes, I have been known to be found guilty and so I say mea culpa, but I really attempt to not go there.

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Dec 10, 2013 19:27:11   #
rumitoid
 
BoJester wrote:
Some biblical passages that our right wing "christian" friends tend to ignore when condemning the concept of Liberalism.
Hope this article helps with the education of the less informed



http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/12/09/jesus-christ-liberal/


If this is a Christian nation, and I feel that it is, its government needs to conform to those teachings. Which would mean the end of a******n and gay marriage, a return to prayer in our public schools, and the country's income (taxes) going to the needy in proportions necessary. Capitalism would need serious revising. Legislators would not be employed by the government but serve voluntarily for terms and need outside employment. Tithing to the needs of the country above and beyond taxes would be expected from citizens and businesses alike. Instead of an Armed Services, we would have Missionary Services to spread the Word of love of enemy. Most of all, it would be as God originally intended government to be: bottom up (we the people) and not top down (a ruling central government).

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Dec 11, 2013 03:08:11   #
rumitoid
 
rumitoid wrote:
If this is a Christian nation, and I feel that it is, its government needs to conform to those teachings. Which would mean the end of a******n and gay marriage, a return to prayer in our public schools, and the country's income (taxes) going to the needy in proportions necessary. Capitalism would need serious revising. Legislators would not be employed by the government but serve voluntarily for terms and need outside employment. Tithing to the needs of the country above and beyond taxes would be expected from citizens and businesses alike. Instead of an Armed Services, we would have Missionary Services to spread the Word of love of enemy. Most of all, it would be as God originally intended government to be: bottom up (we the people) and not top down (a ruling central government).
If this is a Christian nation, and I feel that it ... (show quote)


Or was your idea of a Christian nation more along the lines of the Inquisition? Good thinking. Plenty of fodder there.

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