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Feb 18, 2016 11:16:03   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
JW wrote:
Every time Trump opens his mouth, someone calls him a liar. If you bother to investigate further, a few days later, on page 15 (figuratively) of some obscure publication, it says, ' I guess Trump was correct... but I still know he is a liar'.

Cruz, on the other hand, falsely claimed Carson was dropping out in Iowa and now circulated a letter claiming Trump was quitting in SC.


Despicable politics at their worse!!!!!! Leave the personal BS out of it and talk issues, damnit!!!

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Feb 18, 2016 13:13:12   #
erniebanks14
 
You got it, my man! They're scared of Trump.
reconreb wrote:
Not buying this BS,, Trump scares the hell out of you guys thats why you say we should not support ,not buying.. 2016 TRUMP !!!!

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Feb 18, 2016 14:09:24   #
dillonmj54
 
I find it interesting that Cruz claims that his mother was born in Delaware, yet Delaware cannot find her birth certificate. Both Cruz's Cuban father and "American" mother are listed as Canadian citizens eligible to vote on Canadian voting rolls as far back as 1974. Since Cruz was born in Calgary, Canada and has a Canadian birth certificate, he is not eligible to hold the office of President and should do the honorable thing and withdraw from the election. Google "Cruz mother citizenship" and check out the websites.

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Feb 18, 2016 14:29:43   #
Jurban
 
dillonmj54 wrote:
I find it interesting that Cruz claims that his mother was born in Delaware, yet Delaware cannot find her birth certificate. Both Cruz's Cuban father and "American" mother are listed as Canadian citizens eligible to vote on Canadian voting rolls as far back as 1974. Since Cruz was born in Calgary, Canada and has a Canadian birth certificate, he is not eligible to hold the office of President and should do the honorable thing and withdraw from the election. Google "Cruz mother citizenship" and check out the websites.
I find it interesting that Cruz claims that his mo... (show quote)


Do you wake up in a new world everyday?

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Feb 18, 2016 14:44:24   #
Worried for our children Loc: Massachusetts
 
dillonmj54 wrote:
I find it interesting that Cruz claims that his mother was born in Delaware, yet Delaware cannot find her birth certificate. Both Cruz's Cuban father and "American" mother are listed as Canadian citizens eligible to vote on Canadian voting rolls as far back as 1974. Since Cruz was born in Calgary, Canada and has a Canadian birth certificate, he is not eligible to hold the office of President and should do the honorable thing and withdraw from the election. Google "Cruz mother citizenship" and check out the websites.
I find it interesting that Cruz claims that his mo... (show quote)



Here's Eleanor Cruz's birth certificate. Now you show me those 1974 voter rolls with her name on it....



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Feb 18, 2016 14:48:17   #
Jurban
 
Worried for our children wrote:
Here's Eleanor Cruz's birth certificate. Now you show me those 1974 voter rolls with her name on it....


That doesn't say she wasn't a US citizen at the time of Ted's Birth.

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Feb 18, 2016 15:10:04   #
Worried for our children Loc: Massachusetts
 
Jurban wrote:
That doesn't say she wasn't a US citizen at the time of Ted's Birth.



Exactly. dillonmj54 said he couldn't find it. She was born in Delaware making her a US citizen.

Unless you were being sarcastic.....?

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Feb 18, 2016 15:16:21   #
America Only Loc: From the right hand of God
 
lindajoy wrote:
Old supposition and without foundation..What is of foundation, is Trump is making the impact, has the followers and people are done with lies of "establishment"..I'll take the nonpolitical over any running Thank You..Sick of same ole, same ole, I want new, fresh, a bull dog in office that is going to get it done..Trump is and will be that man..He likes winning and he doesn't take shit from anyone...He has forced all running candidates to stop the PCBS and get real in their comments and actions..I like it..If he can do that with the running contenders he dang sure can and will do it with House and Senate..Exactly what we need..
Old supposition and without foundation..What is of... (show quote)


Trump is going to win this election by the largest margin of votes in the history of the United States.

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Feb 18, 2016 15:18:06   #
America Only Loc: From the right hand of God
 
Jurban wrote:
That doesn't say she wasn't a US citizen at the time of Ted's Birth.


MORON ALERT!

Where were you at your time of birth? Let us all know when you can answer that question being honest. You cannot and will not. So shove off cup cake!

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Feb 18, 2016 15:19:53   #
America Only Loc: From the right hand of God
 
Jurban wrote:
Do you wake up in a new world everyday?


Why would you ask that question? OH Snap we know why now, you are really starting to feel lonely for your home planet....URANUS!

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Feb 18, 2016 15:21:29   #
America Only Loc: From the right hand of God
 
Jurban wrote:
That doesn't say she wasn't a US citizen at the time of Ted's Birth.


You have not provided any documentation about anything you have posted ever, on this website! Perhaps you dream of being Ted Cruz?

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Feb 18, 2016 15:45:15   #
Worried for our children Loc: Massachusetts
 
JW wrote:
In Article 2, section 1 of the US Constitution:

"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."


The requirement to be 'natural born' is clearly stated. However, the Founders went further in order to include those citizens who were not natural born but were citizens prior to the adoption of the Constitution.

It is clear that only those who were Americans prior to the adoption of the Constitution were being excepted from the natural born requirement.

Since Congress created the Constitution, Congress is the only body that can define the terms. However, it would take a suit like Trump is proposing to get the ball rolling on the issue. Once the SCOTUS gets involved, the Congress will have no choice but to act or let the court decide. If they leave it to the court, the definition can be changed by a different court in the future.

So what was a 'natural born' citizen at the time? Only someone whose father was an American citizen at the time of the candidate's birth. It was generally the rule that a child was born into his father's national allegiance so the child assumed the same citizenship as the father.

Congress has since allowed that a claim of citizenship can be made through the mother or even one of the grandparents but none of those were options at the time. It is what was in the Founder's minds at the time that governs the definition until the Constitution was/is again amended.

The reason there is confusion on the issue is because the US Congress left it to the states to define what natural born meant.

The 14th Amendment is cited as the authority for anyone born in the US being automatically a citizen of the US. That too, is contradicted by what was the clear intention of the time.

"Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee (39th Congress), James F. Wilson of Iowa, confirmed on March 1, 1866 that children under this class of aliens would not be citizens: “We must depend on the general law relating to subjects and citizens recognized by all nations for a definition, and that must lead us to the conclusion that every person born in the United States is a natural-born citizen of such States, except that of children born on our soil to temporary sojourners or representatives of foreign Governments.”

Framer of the Fourteenth Amendments first section, John Bingham, said Sec. 1992 of U.S. Revised Statutes meant “every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” If this statute merely reaffirmed the old common law rule of citizenship by birth then the condition of the parents would be entirely irrelevant." http://www.federalistblog.us/2007/09/revisiting_subject_to_the_jurisdiction/

What it all comes down to, is that a Presidential candidate must be a 'natural born' citizen, whatever that might mean, but includes certain requirements, to wit, must be born under the jurisdiction of the United States and both parents must be American citizens at the time of the candidate's birth and must meet the Constitutional requirements.

Being a citizen is one thing, being natural born is something entirely different.

Neither Obama, nor Rubio, nor Cruz qualify as natural born citizens. The Constitution, (which of course includes the amendments), is really quite clear on the subject.
In Article 2, section 1 of the US Constitution: br... (show quote)



Ok, let me see if I understand you. You acknowledge the fact that the rules were changed to include giving the mother the ability to pass citizenship on to the child. If I'm not mistaken, you also acknowledged that Eleanor Cruz is a US citizen, which would give her this ability to make Ted a US citizen, but you're still claiming that Ted is not, because you're going by the interpretation as it was at the signing of the constitution; do I have that right? Are you saying that the child needs to be born to two US citizen parents? (Honestly, that's how I think it should be, but the courts don't see it that way)


Here are a couple of things I thought maybe you would be interested in, I apologize for not having the source of where I read these...
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U.S. Attorney General Edwards Pierrepont, however, shared Edward Bates' opinion that those born in the country of alien parents and who reside elsewhere are still considered citizens, and he added that they should be entitled to be president of the United States, if elected. In 1875 Pierrepont was presented with a query from the Secretary of State, Hamilton Fish. A young man, named Arthur Steinkauler, had been born in Missouri in 1855, a year after his father was naturalized a U.S. citizen. When he was four years old, his father returned to Germany with him and both had stayed there ever since. The father had relinquished his American citizenship and the young man was now 20 years old and about to be drafted into the Imperial German army. The question was asked "What was this young man's situation as a native-born American citizen?" After studying the relevant legal authorities, Pierrepont wrote:
"Under the treaty [of 1868 with Germany], and in harmony with American doctrine, it is clear that Steinkauler the father abandoned his naturalization in America and became a German subject (his son being yet a minor), and that by virtue of German laws the son acquired German nationality. It is equally clear that the son, by birth, has American nationality, and hence he has two nationalities, one natural, the other acquired... Young Steinkauler is a native-born American citizen. There is no law of the United States under which his father or any other person can deprive him of his birthright. He can return to America at the age of 21, and in due time, if the people elect, he can become President of the United States .... I am of opinion that when he reaches the age of 21 years he can then elect whether he will return and take the nationality of his birth, with its duties and privileges, or retain the nationality acquired by the act of his father."

Also:

Cruz’s status up for legal interpretation. In other words, we must look back at what our Founding Fathers were most likely thinking when they came up with the requirement. Conservative Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia is a big fan of this kind of strict interpretation – and would likely declare Cruz eligible.

Here’s why. There’s compelling evidence to suggest that our Founding Fathers interpreted ‘natural born citizen’ to include children born abroad to U.S. citizen parents.

Neil Katyal & Paul Clement's recent Harvard Law Review editorial ... In case you want to get political– Katyal was the U.S. Solicitor General under President Obama, and Clement held that position under President Bush (he then went on to represent conservative groups like the NRA before the Supreme Court). Both of these men came to the same conclusion: Cruz is a natural-born citizen, no questions asked.

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Feb 18, 2016 17:37:50   #
jrpeacher Loc: D. C. Metro Area
 
Shake the system to its core. It's rotten anyway! Trump 2016-2020!

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Feb 18, 2016 17:45:57   #
Jurban
 
Worried for our children wrote:
Here's Eleanor Cruz's birth certificate. Now you show me those 1974 voter rolls with her name on it....


New Castle is in Deleware.

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Feb 18, 2016 17:50:03   #
Jurban
 
America Only wrote:
MORON ALERT!

Where were you at your time of birth? Let us all know when you can answer that question being honest. You cannot and will not. So shove off cup cake!


Yes I can tell you exactly were I was at the time of my birth. I was born in the Boone County Hospital in Harrison Arkansas. Now Moron where were you at the time of your birth.

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