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Feb 3, 2016 08:03:32   #
Loyal American
 
JMHO wrote:
The Constitution is the determining factor, and it says "a natural born citizen OR U.S. citizen." Cruz is eligible.

I just posted this here on another thread:

Ted Cruz is not eligible to be POTUS. He is not a natural born citizen. There are "citizens," and there are "natural born citizens." Our founders made this distinction for a very good reason; to keep imposters like Obama out of the Oval Office. A natural born citizen is a special kind of citizen in that he must have been born in this country to two citizen parents. It is a three-legged stool and Cruz' stool has only one leg.

There are three ways for a person to claim citizenship, what most of us think of first is called Jus soli, “the right of the soil,” which is the physical location of your place of birth. The second is what is called Jus sanguinis, “the right of blood,” which you inherit from your parents. The third is a combination of Jus soli and Jus sanguinis, and it is this combination that determines if one is a natural born citizen."



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Feb 3, 2016 08:18:45   #
Mel Havener
 
I really feel Cruz should go to a high court as well as Rubeo

and get there selves cleared so there is no wondering about it later like with the thing we have in charge now.

Im for Trump and feel he is correct in also wanting to clear it up.

Mel Havener

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Feb 3, 2016 08:32:48   #
Sicilianthing
 
America Only wrote:
This will all work out, Trump will be President....dip stick democrats will still be dip sticks.....


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I pray hourly.

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Feb 3, 2016 08:34:33   #
Sicilianthing
 
Mel Havener wrote:
I have never, never seen a black kid show any love like this to his or her parent's. Wrong?
Mel Havener


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Ha... That was awesome...

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Feb 3, 2016 08:36:57   #
Sicilianthing
 
jackinthebox wrote:
Does Bill look old and gaunt like he could have a*ds? That will be a vote getter for the libtoids.


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Yes he is dying and I recently prayed to God that he takes all of them... And soon....

Now look, his wrath is coming... We have one about ready to drop ...

Hillary is also sick with a deadly medical dilemma and they're hiding it.

I pray again all these bad people, Traitor ScumBags die !

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Feb 3, 2016 08:40:22   #
Sicilianthing
 
Loyal American wrote:
I just posted this here on another thread:

Ted Cruz is not eligible to be POTUS. He is not a natural born citizen. There are "citizens," and there are "natural born citizens." Our founders made this distinction for a very good reason; to keep imposters like Obama out of the Oval Office. A natural born citizen is a special kind of citizen in that he must have been born in this country to two citizen parents. It is a three-legged stool and Cruz' stool has only one leg.

There are three ways for a person to claim citizenship, what most of us think of first is called Jus soli, “the right of the soil,” which is the physical location of your place of birth. The second is what is called Jus sanguinis, “the right of blood,” which you inherit from your parents. The third is a combination of Jus soli and Jus sanguinis, and it is this combination that determines if one is a natural born citizen."
I just posted this here on another thread: br br ... (show quote)


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Agreed and now slam the ScumBag ClownsInGowns at SCOTUS for their crimes against the Republic...

They betrayed the Citizens and they're about to do it again.

I will post next the Secret meeting with Obama's eligibility and the greatest deception on the Republic ever dealt.

HANG them for TREASON until they are:

DEAD
DEAD
DEAD

All of em !

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Feb 3, 2016 08:59:09   #
JMHO Loc: Utah
 
boofhead wrote:
"...or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution,"...

This allowed those who were not, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, natural born but who were nevertheless citizens, to be President. But from that time on, only natural born citizens could do so.

Your amended presentation, in omitting the final part of the sentence, would lead someone to believe that a Citizen could become President even if he/she was not natural born. The only time that was true was on the date of the proclamation of the original document. You are (Perhaps) deliberately subverting the meaning of the language used in writing the Constitution. How can I make it simpler than that for you?

There have been attempts to amend the Constitution to allow other than natural born citizens to be President, but none of those attempts have worked and the Constitution remains as it was written. I would ask you why those attempts were made (one of those was by Hillary, supported by Obama) if it was truly possible for a non-natural born citizen to be eligible? If you look at the law, you cannot but be convinced that it is clear and well-understood. And that it is what the founders wanted. If you don't like it, start a campaign to have the Constitution changed (you never know, this time it might happen).

A person born outside the US, if he had US citizen parent(s), would be a citizen by naturalization but not native born or natural born. Such naturalization is provided by the law and is automatic but is not citizenship by birth. It is given by descent from the citizen parent(s) and is therefore naturalization in that it needs a law to make it so. To be natural born he/she would have to be native born in the US of two US citizen parents. Obama, for example, is not natural born. If he was born in Kenya he would, at best, be naturalized as a US citizen, but as per the law of the time, his mom was not qualified to pass on her US citizenship so he would in fact have been a British citizen at birth and not qualified to be a US citizen. If he was born in Hawaii, as he claims, he would be a native born US citizen. However, his father was not a US citizen at the time of his birth (and was not married to his mom, but that is not critical) so he cannot claim natural born status even then. Cruz was born in Canada, of an American mom, so could claim US citizenship by descent/naturalization, but his dad was not a US citizen at the time so he was not natural born either. Like Obama, he was a dual citizen and therefore had dual allegiance which was what the founders so rightly feared.

My wife is American and her children, all born outside the US, are citizens of the US by descent. They have certification issued at birth by the local consulate stating that, so they are qualified and entitled in all respects exactly the same as a person born in the US except that they cannot be President or Vice President. Their father (me) was not a US citizen at the time of their birth for one, and their citizenship is by naturalization, not native born. They are not native or natural born, by simple definition and by law.

You might not like it, and might have other desires, but unfortunately for you, the law is the law. People might get away with breaking the law, as Obama has done for 7 years, but eventually it will catch up with them.

I find it extremely funny that when it was Obama breaking the law, those who called for fixing the problem were called "birthers" but now that it is Cruz, nobody accuses those who point out his lack of qualifications as being the same.

Because the laws have been assaulted for so long now by the Democrats to their own advantage, it is highly unlikely that anything will be done about this one, and we will be ruled by unqualified imposters of both parties with no consequences. Just another sign of how low this once great country has sunk and an indication of where we will end up, as every great civilization has, when they turn their backs on morality and the law.

And on the very language itself.
"...or a Citizen of the United States, b at ... (show quote)



You're making interpretations, it doesn't say that! That is your opinion!

Do you really think a Harvard Law graduate, and law clerk for several judges, including Supreme Court Justice William Rehnquist, would NOT know that he is ineligible, under the Constitution, to run for the presidency of the United States? And, if he knew that he was ineligible, with his law background and experience, and deep religious faith, why would he put his family through a brutal campaign cycle? It doesn't make sense.

Any lawsuit against him will be either thrown out, or ruled in his favor. It's easy for a billionaire bully to sue, or threaten to sue, anyone for anything they want, he has the bucks. It's dirty politics at it's worst folks...nothing more.

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Feb 3, 2016 09:09:09   #
Mel Havener
 
I just want the truth now not after the election.
Mel

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Feb 3, 2016 09:19:22   #
Sicilianthing
 
JMHO wrote:
You're making interpretations, it doesn't say that! That is your opinion!

Do you really think a Harvard Law graduate, and law clerk for several judges, including Supreme Court Justice William Rehnquist, would NOT know that he is ineligible, under the Constitution, to run for the presidency of the United States? And, if he knew that he was ineligible, with his law background and experience, and deep religious faith, why would he put his family through a brutal campaign cycle? It doesn't make sense.

Any lawsuit against him will be either thrown out, or ruled in his favor. It's easy for a billionaire bully to sue, or threaten to sue, anyone for anything they want, he has the bucks. It's dirty politics at it's worst folks...nothing more.
You're making interpretations, it doesn't say that... (show quote)


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Paid
Protecting a paycheck & benefits for life (no one should ever be appointed to anything for life PERIOD)
Activist
ScumBag
Traitor
Judges who will Hang For Treason when the bell rings !

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Feb 3, 2016 10:26:17   #
Bevos
 
Trump did not Campaign in Iowa and he still came in second. What does THAT tell you? And SOMEONE was passing out Pics of Trump with the Clintons, probably at the wedding that he attended. Suggesting that they were close friends. THAT IS ILLEGAL for them to do that!!!
If you were there and received one of those pics, and can remember which candidate's people were passing it out, you need to call the Voting Board and report them!!

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Feb 3, 2016 10:30:04   #
Sicilianthing
 
Bevos wrote:
Trump did not Campaign in Iowa and he still came in second. What does THAT tell you? And SOMEONE was passing out Pics of Trump with the Clintons, probably at the wedding that he attended. Suggesting that they were close friends. THAT IS ILLEGAL for them to do that!!!
If you were there and received one of those pics, and can remember which candidate's people were passing it out, you need to call the Voting Board and report them!!


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Noted and please click on Quote Reply underneath the post to address that specific Avatar unless you're making a Blanket Statement.

Kindly.

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Feb 3, 2016 10:45:17   #
DamnYANKEE
 
JMHO wrote:
The Constitution is the determining factor, and it says "a natural born citizen OR U.S. citizen." Cruz is eligible.


YUP YUP YUP :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Feb 3, 2016 13:45:28   #
Carol Kelly
 
JMHO wrote:
Hmmmmm, so why didn't Trump win in Iowa? He was way up in the polls, so what happened? I think his shiny armor is starting to crack. South Carolina will be the next big test, and I don't see Trump winning South Carolina.


So he slipped a little in Iowa! Have I read everything wrong or is the next NewHampshire caucus still happening next week. Wait on SC. Who care anyway. They think a tiny Confederate flag carried in a mans pocket can shoot guns and harm people. The RNC is thinking of Niki Hayley with her eyes wide and her teeth clinched with a permanent smile while she addresses the nation for VP. Wouldn't that just be ideal. She immediately removed the flag without any consideration for anyone. What a screwed up mess. K

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Feb 3, 2016 14:04:55   #
Sicilianthing
 
Mel Havener wrote:
I just want the truth now not after the election.
Mel


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Thats right

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Feb 3, 2016 14:58:50   #
boofhead
 
JMHO wrote:
You're making interpretations, it doesn't say that! That is your opinion!

Do you really think a Harvard Law graduate, and law clerk for several judges, including Supreme Court Justice William Rehnquist, would NOT know that he is ineligible, under the Constitution, to run for the presidency of the United States? And, if he knew that he was ineligible, with his law background and experience, and deep religious faith, why would he put his family through a brutal campaign cycle? It doesn't make sense.

Any lawsuit against him will be either thrown out, or ruled in his favor. It's easy for a billionaire bully to sue, or threaten to sue, anyone for anything they want, he has the bucks. It's dirty politics at it's worst folks...nothing more.
You're making interpretations, it doesn't say that... (show quote)


What I say is written in the Constitution and in the writings of the time by the framers. It is also written in several supreme court judgments. I am not giving opinion I am relating facts.

Obama was not properly vetted, for political reasons. Obviously Cruz has not been vetted either. The courts are afraid of what would happen if it were to be shown that Obama was not legally elected and they are in a panic to stop it from coming to the attention of the public, hence an unwillingness to allow a case to come to the them for adjudication. If they follow the law they have to find that the previous supreme court rulings are still valid. Thanks to the Democrats this is no longer a country of laws and will continue to wallow in filth until this is corrected. Consider the following, which can be fact checked:

To be a bonafide conspiracy, two or more individuals must knowingly conspire, plot or plan an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious act. In politics or law, an agreement by two or more persons to commit a crime, fraud, or other wrongful act, is a “conspiracy.” Not in theory, but in reality.

Such is the case today!

Canada Free Press has just published a blockbuster by JB Williams! It's a long, but extremely important article. I'm just excerpting the key elements here -- my apologies to Mr. Williams for the hatchet job.

Basically, the Democratic Party of Hawaii, the Democratic National Committee, the Chair of the Party convention, the Secretary of the Party, Party offices in each of fifty states, and maybe many, many more, have knowingly and wantonly defrauded the American election system and more than 300 million American citizens.

It appears that they have filed a fraudulent "Official Certification of Nomination" for Barack Obama and Joe Biden in all 50 states -- they knew Obama was ineligible.

They plotted and planned an act of evil, unlawful, treacherous fraud in a blind quest for unbridled political power, and they hoped that you would never catch it. They almost got away with it too.

They snuck it past fifty state election commissions, the US Congress, the US Supreme Court and Justice Department, the Federal Elections Commission and countless members of the Electoral College nationwide. Not a single member of the "drive-by media" caught it either, or if they did, they decided to become complicit for their own political reasons.

The Hawaiian Democratic Party refused to sign off on a certification that Barak Hussein 0bama II was eligible to be president. Instead, Nancy Pelosi herself signed that Hawaiian certification. The possible reason: the attorney who approved all legal paperwork that required signatures by the HDP just happened to be the same attorney who handled 0bama’s mother's divorce from her Indonesian husband. That attorney had seen 0bama’s original long form birth certificate.

This also means Pelosi committed fraud by certifying 0bama’s eligibility.

The proper legal text used on the DNC Party "Official Certification of Nomination" document reads as follows;

"THIS IS TO CERTIFY that at the National Convention of the Democrat Party of the United States of America, held in Denver, Colorado on August 25 though 28, 2008, the following were duly nominated as candidates of said Party for President and Vice President of the United States respectively and that the following candidates for President and Vice President of the United States are legally qualified to serve under the provisions of the United States Constitution."

The document is signed by Chair of the DNC Convention and Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, DNC Secretary Alice Travis Germond and Colorado Notary of Public Shalifa A. Williamson. It is dated August 28, 2008.

However, this document was never delivered to a single state DNC Office for state certification, and it was therefore, never presented to any state Election Commission as certification of Obama and Biden.

Instead, a very similar document was delivered to fifty state DNC offices, that those offices certified to each of fifty state Election Commissions, who then date-stamped the document and stuck it in a file cabinet, and proceeded to place these "certified" candidates on the ballot.

This is the legal certification text on the DNC certified nomination document used for the DNC ticket:

"THIS IS TO CERTIFY that at the National Convention of the Democrat Party of the United States of America, held in Denver, Colorado on August 25 though 28, 2008, the following were duly nominated as candidates of said Party for President and Vice President of the United States respectively."

The reference to Obama’s constitutional eligibility is missing. It had been removed from the document sent to the states.


I don't expect any Democrat to read this, nor do I expect them to care. Their only motivation is to take control of this country and follow the lead of their Messiah Barry to "fundamentally change" it. When they succeed, I hope they enjoy it.

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