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Nov 18, 2015 06:26:52   #
She Wolf Loc: Currently Georgia
 
Anyone can claim any religion. Doesn't mean they are. Ie: Dirty Deal of Georgia is a Christian? The man left Washington under an ethics investigation. He refuses to open Medicaid. 3,900 people die a year as a result. If you check his campaign donations, you will find quite a few from the medical industry. The man worships the dollar bill and will do anything to increase his personal wealth.

That said, to me immigration is a political not a religious question. If we allow Syrian refuges to enter this country without proper screening, to me we have opened the door for terrorists. It is my understanding many people are forced to help ISIS by the threat to their families. Maybe they really don't back these people but if you are told to assist or your family in Syria will be beheaded, what would you do? This situation makes screening difficult.

My family in Germany would tell you, stop these people from coming into your country by any means necessary. They are living with what happens when you don't.

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Nov 18, 2015 06:33:13   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
She Wolf wrote:
Anyone can claim any religion. Doesn't mean they are. Ie: Dirty Deal of Georgia is a Christian? The man left Washington under an ethics investigation. He refuses to open Medicaid. 3,900 people die a year as a result. If you check his campaign donations, you will find quite a few from the medical industry. The man worships the dollar bill and will do anything to increase his personal wealth.

That said, to me immigration is a political not a religious question. If we allow Syrian refuges to enter this country without proper screening, to me we have opened the door for terrorists. It is my understanding many people are forced to help ISIS by the threat to their families. Maybe they really don't back these people but if you are told to assist or your family in Syria will be beheaded, what would you do? This situation makes screening difficult.

My family in Germany would tell you, stop these people from coming into your country by any means necessary. They are living with what happens when you don't.
Anyone can claim any religion. Doesn't mean they ... (show quote)


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Nov 18, 2015 06:35:36   #
Hemiman Loc: Communist California
 
SamDawkins wrote:
That was enlightening, truly it was . Thank you for that. (No sarcasm).

My posting this article should not be construed to represent an endorsement of these quotes.

The predominant assumption about these refugees is that they are terrorist in the making. However to me they appear to be mostly just people seeking refuge, and shelter from the civil war that has destroyed their country. I suspect they would've preferred to live out their lives in their own country,and most would want to return at some point.

No one has ever accused me of being a Biblical Scholar. But I still cannot envision Jesus (the lord and Savior of Christians ) turning innocent women and children away.
That was enlightening, truly it was . Thank you fo... (show quote)


Jesus wouldn't bomb the hell out of people either but sometimes bad stuff happens in war.most of them are young men that would run rather than fight for their country,why should we adopt these people and fight their war when they won't do it.Knowing what they have in mind for the countries they infect I won't lose any sleep over it.

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Nov 18, 2015 06:41:33   #
Orrie
 
SamDawkins wrote:
That was enlightening, truly it was . Thank you for that. (No sarcasm).

My posting this article should not be construed to represent an endorsement of these quotes.

The predominant assumption about these refugees is that they are terrorist in the making. However to me they appear to be mostly just people seeking refuge, and shelter from the civil war that has destroyed their country. I suspect they would've preferred to live out their lives in their own country,and most would want to return at some point.

No one has ever accused me of being a Biblical Scholar. But I still cannot envision Jesus (the lord and Savior of Christians ) turning innocent women and children away.
That was enlightening, truly it was . Thank you fo... (show quote)


I seriously doubt that these immigrants would want to return to their own countries once they got a taste of America's hospitality. Would you want to go back to your sand hut in the desert and struggle to feed your family when everything here is free for the asking? I don't think so.

Let me ask you a pointed question. How many millions of immigrants can the United States support and feed before it become a detriment on the entire population? Where will the cut off be? 50 million? A hundred million? How about 200 hundred million? Would you be willing to house some of them in your home? Feed and clothe them? Pay for their education? Do you see what is at stake here?

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Nov 18, 2015 06:44:07   #
snowbear37 Loc: MA.
 
VladimirPee wrote:
No hypocrisy in protecting your people. Christian does not mean Stupid

FBI Director Comey Admits US CANNOT Vet All Syrian Refugees

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ev2e7i-NZ48


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Why would anyone want to "cuddle up" with people that have publically announced that they want to KILL all who don't believe as they do? Why do they all want to come to the U.S. when they can immigrate to somewhere where the culture, people, and language are more compatible with their own? We've already let too many "believers" into this country.

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Nov 18, 2015 06:45:33   #
SamDawkins
 
lindajoy wrote:
This isn't an issue of religion Sam..Its National Security first, all else secondary...

If you want to take it literal then politics and religion never go together nor are they interchangeable to each other...

Tell me if you can, do you know how your atheist friends feel about this issue?? Any "position" anywhere from them??

Also have to say whenever I see you go to the dictionary to define words, its so very familiar to me...Not many do that at all...




This is from an article titled "Another View:The world is scary as hell--love anyway."


"New eyes tap into the truth of the cosmos that some things are worth dying for,including going beyond the gates of security to welcome those who are fleeing terror, even if it results in facing terror. Extending a welcoming arm is loving,not only for "the other",but for our own as well.Because the gap between who we say we are and what we actually do is widening every day. If we love our children and want a better world for them ,we have to stop bouncing between these two poles and operate on a higher level."

BY Jeremy Courtney, The Washington Post.

I find these words to carry a great deal of truth.

As for using the dictionary to demonstrate the actual definition of a word is a great way to make a point. My intention is never to belittle another.

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Nov 18, 2015 06:45:35   #
Orrie
 
She Wolf wrote:
Anyone can claim any religion. Doesn't mean they are. Ie: Dirty Deal of Georgia is a Christian? The man left Washington under an ethics investigation. He refuses to open Medicaid. 3,900 people die a year as a result. If you check his campaign donations, you will find quite a few from the medical industry. The man worships the dollar bill and will do anything to increase his personal wealth.

That said, to me immigration is a political not a religious question. If we allow Syrian refuges to enter this country without proper screening, to me we have opened the door for terrorists. It is my understanding many people are forced to help ISIS by the threat to their families. Maybe they really don't back these people but if you are told to assist or your family in Syria will be beheaded, what would you do? This situation makes screening difficult.

My family in Germany would tell you, stop these people from coming into your country by any means necessary. They are living with what happens when you don't.
Anyone can claim any religion. Doesn't mean they ... (show quote)


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Nov 18, 2015 06:47:01   #
Orrie
 
Hemiman wrote:
Jesus wouldn't bomb the hell out of people either but sometimes bad stuff happens in war.most of them are young men that would run rather than fight for their country,why should we adopt these people and fight their war when they won't do it.Knowing what they have in mind for the countries they infect I won't lose any sleep over it.


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Nov 18, 2015 06:54:08   #
SamDawkins
 
Orrie wrote:
I seriously doubt that these immigrants would want to return to their own countries once they got a taste of America's hospitality. Would you want to go back to your sand hut in the desert and struggle to feed your family when everything here is free for the asking? I don't think so.

Let me ask you a pointed question. How many millions of immigrants can the United States support and feed before it become a detriment on the entire population? Where will the cut off be? 50 million? A hundred million? How about 200 hundred million? Would you be willing to house some of them in your home? Feed and clothe them? Pay for their education? Do you see what is at stake here?
I seriously doubt that these immigrants would want... (show quote)



Refugees are not immigrants.

And yes I suspect a large number would love to return to their country of origin. I love America it is my home. Something tells me they love their home as well.

As to your question about how many immigrants I can tell you that the United States is a Nation of immigrants with a population well over 300 million.

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Nov 18, 2015 07:29:32   #
sweetlips
 
why yes, let all come that want to, we have plenty of room and work for another 3-4 hundred million more
SamDawkins wrote:
What is the Syrian refugee vetting process?
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A growing number of Republicans -- including governors, members of Congress and 2016 presidential candidates -- are expressing concern about the vetting process for Syrian refugees, but Obama administration officials said Tuesday that a great deal of those concerns are based on "misinformation."

State Department officials are briefing governors and mayors on a conference call Tuesday to reassure them that the process of screening refugees is robust and secure.

"I think a lot of the questions we're getting right now... are from members [of Congress] who are just learning about the program for the first time," a senior administration official told reporters on a conference call Tuesday. "I also think there's a lot of misinformation out there."

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For instance, reports that the United Nations selects the refugees who enter the U.S. are simply not true. In fact, the vetting process for refugees is "quite intensive and involves several government agencies," the senior official said.

The approval rate for refugees seeking asylum in the United States currently stands at just over 50 percent, senior administration officials said. The process for obtaining refugee status in the United States typically takes 18 to 24 months.

About 1,800 Syrian refugees have entered the U.S. in the past year. So far, only about 2 percent of the Syrian refugees entering the United States are single men of "combat age." Roughly half of the Syrian refugees are children, and 2.5 percent are adults over 60.

Refugees --- from any nation -- are accepted only "after subjecting them to the most rigorous screening and security vetting of any traveler to the United States," a senior administration official said.

"Slamming the door in their face would be a betrayal of our values," the official added.


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More than half of U.S. governors reject Syrian refugees
The process for any refugee begins with the processing of biographic information (such as an applicant's name and date of birth) and biometric information (such as fingerprints). The information is checked against databases in several different U.S. agencies including the FBI, the State Department and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS).

If an applicant has applied for an overseas visa in the past, their biometric information should be on record. It can be used to ensure that the applicant has had a consistent story about the circumstances that prompted them to seek asylum.

After that, applicants go through a lengthy, in-person interview process overseas. The interviews are conducted by specially-trained DHS officers who spend at least eight weeks learning skills like how to question applicants and test their credibility. These adjudicators receive special training for interviewing refugees from Iraq or Syria.

Currently, the U.S. is interviewing Syrian refugee applicants in Amman, Jordan, Istanbul, Turkey, and in Cairo, Egypt. Interviews will soon be conducted in Lebanon and a few other locations.

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One senior administration official told reporters that the U.S. has benefitted from its "years of experience" vetting Iraqi refugees. Since that large-scale program started in 2007, the vetting process has become more robust.

Going back even further than that, senior administration officials pointed out that government agencies like the State Department and the Pentagon have been refining and enhancing the degree to which they share information since the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.

"We're constantly refining the process," one official said.

Even so, government leaders have acknowledged the system is far from perfect.

"We did discover in people who have come in as refugees from Iraq a number of people of serious concern," FBI Director James Comey told the House Judiciary Committee last month, "including two charged when we found their fingerprints on improvised explosive devices."

Comey added, "There's no doubt that was the product of a less-than-excellent vetting that had been done on Iraqi refugees."

"We have improved dramatically our ability as an interagency -- all parts of the U.S. government -- to query and check people," he continued. However, "Our ability to touch data with respect to people who may come from Syria may be limited... The data we had available to us from Iraq from our folks being there... is richer than the data we have from Syria."

On Tuesday, Attorney General Loretta Lynch acknowledged to the same House committee that "certainly there are challenges to this process."

However, she continued, "We do have the benefit of having that robust screening process in place -- a process that Europe has not been able to set up."

Since the U.S. can't rely on the Syrian government to check things like an applicant's criminal history, the U.S. relies on what they learn from interviews for that information.

A senior administration official told reporters that "there is intelligence on refugee populations including, Syrian refugees," that can help in the vetting process.

And while many refugees seeking asylum in the U.S. don't have proper documentation like birth certificates, a senior administration official told reporters that "Iraqis and Syrians tend to be a very heavily documented population." Families seeking asylum can often produce passports or military registration forms, the official said.

Once refugees are accepted into the United States, governors don't really have much say over their placement. Moreover, the federal government doesn't target specific states or cities. It uses a variety of factors -- such as where in the U.S. a refugee may have family members -- to determine placement. The nine not-for-profit programs that work with the government to place refugees meet on a weekly basis to determine placement.

"It's not a plan where we sit down and say, 'Let's go to this city this month and this city next month,'" a senior administration official said. "It's a vibrant program adjusted based on what local communities can handle."

This story was updated after the State Department said it misstated the percentage of Syrian refugees over the age of 60: 2.5 percent, not 25 percent, are over 60 years old.
What is the Syrian refugee vetting process? br 24 ... (show quote)

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Nov 18, 2015 07:38:31   #
Hemiman Loc: Communist California
 
sweetlips wrote:
why yes, let all come that want to, we have plenty of room and work for another 3-4 hundred million more


I wonder how the vetting process would be if the invading hordes were Christians.Officials have been saying there is no vetting process now all of a sudden if by majic,it becomes "intensive .The lier Ovomit at his best when he lies,it's the only thing he really knows how too do.

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Nov 18, 2015 07:43:01   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
SamDawkins wrote:
This is from an article titled "Another View:The world is scary as hell--love anyway."


"New eyes tap into the truth of the cosmos that some things are worth dying for,including going beyond the gates of security to welcome those who are fleeing terror, even if it results in facing terror. Extending a welcoming arm is loving,not only for "the other",but for our own as well.Because the gap between who we say we are and what we actually do is widening every day. If we love our children and want a better world for them ,we have to stop bouncing between these two poles and operate on a higher level."

BY Jeremy Courtney, The Washington Post.

I find these words to carry a great deal of truth.

As for using the dictionary to demonstrate the actual definition of a word is a great way to make a point. My intention is never to belittle another.
This is from an article titled "Another View:... (show quote)


http://www.nhregister.com/opinion/20151117/another-view-the-world-is-scary-as-hell-x2014-love-anyway

I went ahead and posted the article should others wish to read it...

From a humanitarian stand point it echos what most believe and have tried to do in the past only to see it fall part and even back up on us in the wake of extending that love first...I personally support humanitarian needs and yet am getting sick of extending it to only see it back up on us and ultimately be out demise...There comes a point where we have "given" all we can and we must stand for our countries safety first..We have in fact brought in thousands of Syrian refugees and its time for their "own neighbors" to pick up the slack and do their part ...We are "not God" and it s not our responsibility to fight the ways of the World although we sure get ourselves involved in enough of it..Some we should have stayed out of letting them handle their own affairs and new regimes, but noooooooooooo, there we are butting in..Our decisions wiser, when it turns out they were worse...

The very things "they fear in their country" is the very thing that will come here in that un vetted capacity of not being able to track the back grounds of these people or their true motivate for wanting to come here..Why are so many of their own adjoining countries refusing them access?? What do they know that we do not know??

Our country is on the brink of financial bankruptcy and we have absorbed far more than any other nation with our welcome arms...Send food, water,put up tents, temporary housing etc until these people can get elsewhere, but bring them here, no, sorry Sam I disagree...If that removes me from being a Christian so be it..I subscribe my faith to God, not secular endowment from some organized affiliate that wants me to do as they suggest..

I can love and extend my love and prayers to them in hoping they do get acceptance from their neighboring nations but I do not need to feed them, let them be my burden to society or worry wondering which are true refugees vs terrorist with no viable security clearance to attain that knowledge that doesn't exist to begin with...I'll help where I can but I am also not going to write my own death sentence or that of our Country, in the process..............

So, back to my question, in your studies of the atheist of affiliation of them do they have a position of this mess in France or bringing thousands more Syrian refugees here??

I know you do not intentionally set our to hurt others..My comment about reverting to the use of the dictionary was observation of the very few that do that and its similarity, most interesting that's all..

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Nov 18, 2015 07:43:42   #
VladimirPee
 
We do not have any assets inside Syria to vet them. Obama is a liar.


Hemiman wrote:
I wonder how the vetting process would be if the invading hordes were Christians.Officials have been saying there is no vetting process now all of a sudden if by majic,it becomes "intensive .The lier Ovomit at his best when he lies,it's the only thing he really knows how too do.

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Nov 18, 2015 07:46:28   #
Theo Loc: Within 1000 miles of Tampa, Florida
 
SamDawkins wrote:
These Christian Governors Are Refusing Syrian Refugees. ThatÂ’s Not What Jesus Would Do.


And how would you know that? It was Jesus who did not go to the Gentiles, but preached only to the house of Israel and Judah, both of which are Hebrew.

Even when he preached to, and healed, a Gentile's family member, still He did not go to the Gentiles while He lived.

Only after the Resurrection did He send his disciples to preach to the world.

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Nov 18, 2015 09:33:14   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
SamDawkins wrote:
Refugees are not immigrants.

And yes I suspect a large number would love to return to their country of origin. I love America it is my home. Something tells me they love their home as well.

As to your question about how many immigrants I can tell you that the United States is a Nation of immigrants with a population well over 300 million.


Something worth checking out..In its basic form no doubt but sheds light on the discussion..Refugees are temporary yet wind up immigrants...

Significantly more to it in legal definition and status and determine factors, but here's the basics.......

http://www.diffen.com/difference/Immigrant_vs_Refugee

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