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Nov 17, 2015 18:28:04   #
SamDawkins
 
http://thinkprogress.org/immigration/2015/11/17/3723069/governors-refugees-response/


These Christian Governors Are Refusing Syrian Refugees. That’s Not What Jesus Would Do.
BY ESTHER YU-HSI LEE NOV 17, 2015 3:52PM

CREDIT: AP PHOTO/SANTI PALACIOS

A Syrian girl eats a lollipop after her arrival on a small boat from the Turkish coast on the northeastern Greek island of Lesbos Monday, Nov. 16, 2015. Greek authorities say 1,244 refugees and economic migrants have been rescued from frail craft in danger over the past three days in the Aegean Sea, as thousands continue to arrive on the Greek islands. (AP Photo/Santi Palacios)




At least 27 governors have recently come out against allowing Syrian refugees in their states, claiming that refugees could be a potential terrorist threat. Although the ultimate decision to resettle Syrian refugees will fall on the federal government, some governors have taken extreme measures like signing executive orders to prevent refugee settlement.
The anti-refugee position has struck many observers as hypocritical — especially considering the fact that, before the deadly attacks in Paris and Beirut over the weekend, many of these governors have invoked their Christian faith to make statements calling for tolerance and helping people different from them.
Indeed, many Bible passages call for Christians to “welcome the stranger.” Matthew 25:41-43, for instance, says that “we cannot say to those in need, ‘you are not our problem.'”
Here are just a few examples of previous statements from state leaders that run counter to the spirit of the position they’re taking on Syrian refugees now:




Arizona Gov. Doug Ducey (R)Arizona
On Syrian refugees: “Given the horrifying events in Paris last week, I am calling for an immediate halt in the placement of any new refugees in Arizona.”
On religion: When Pope Francis visited the United States two months ago, Ducey, who identifies as Catholic, said that he was “honored” and “deeply humbled to be a small part of the Pope’s historic visit.” Ducey may admire the pope, but his statement goes against Francis’ long-standing call for a compassionate solution to handle immigrants. Notably, Francis has called on European parishes to each take in refugee families.


Georgia Gov. Nathan Deal (R)Georgia
On Syrian refugees: “In light of the terror attacks in Paris, I’ve issued an executive order [pdf] directing state agency heads to prevent the resettlement of Syrian refugees in Georgia […] Until the federal government and Congress conducts a thorough review of current screening procedures and background checks, we will take every measure available to us at the state level to ensure the safety of Georgians.”
On religion: Deal has previously said that his faith guides his political decisions, noting, “I try to be a follower. Our understanding of what Jesus taught was that you’re going to hide these t***hs in your heart. It’s not so much what you say, it’s what you do. And it’s the way we try to live.” Deal perhaps missed the part of the Bible where Jesus instructed his followers to love their neighbors as themselves.




Idaho Gov. C.L. "Butch" Otter (R)Idaho
On Syrian refugees: “It makes no sense under the best of circumstances for the United States to allow people into our country who have the avowed desire to harm our communities, our institutions and our people […] The savage and senseless ISIS-driven attacks in Paris illustrate the essential inhumanity of terrorism and make it clearer than ever that we must make protecting our homeland from this threat our primary focus.”
On religion: Otter briefly studied to become a priest, noting, “I’m a Catholic, and I’ve got a value system I grew up with.” That value system includes welcoming refugees; just this week, the president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops reiterated the call to assist refugees in the United States.



Iowa Gov. Terry Branstad (R)Iowa
On Syrian refugees: “Until a thorough and thoughtful review is conducted by the intelligence community and the safety of Iowans can be assured, the federal government should not resettle any Syrian refugees in Iowa.”
On religion: Branstad once said that because of his mother’s Jewish heritage, he treats all religions with respect and dignity, according to the Des Moines Register in 2010.



Republican p**********l candidate and Louisiana
On Syrian refugees: “Mr. President, in light of these attacks on Paris and reports that one of the attackers was a refugee from Syria, it would be prudent to pause the process of refugees coming to the United States. Authorities need to investigate what happened in Europe before this problem comes to the United States.”
On religion: During a prayer meeting in June, Jindal told a crowd, “The single most important time in my life is the moment that I found Jesus Christ.” However, Jindal’s embrace of Jesus Christ has failed to grasp that part of Jesus’ mission was to feed the hungry, to care for the sick, and to welcome the stranger, namely immigrants.



Mississippi Gov. Phil Bryant (R)Mississippi
On Syrian refugees: “I will do everything humanly possible to stop any plans from the Obama Administration to put Syrian refugees in Mississippi.”
On religion: Bryant once told a group of students that Christianity shaped his world view and that Christmas wouldn’t be a holiday without Jesus Christ, whose own journey escaping from Egypt with his parents has some parallels to the plight of people fleeing Syria.



Nebraska Gov. Pete Ricketts (R)Nebraska
On Syrian refugees: “Nebraska is a welcoming place for families seeking a home to live, work, and raise a family. My administration understands the danger and persecution many are facing in the Middle East, however, it is important that our state consider the safety and security of Nebraskans first in any refugee resettlement efforts.”
On religion: In a series of tweets written during Holy Week 2015, Rickets urged families to come together to remember the sacrifice of Jesus Christ and “to give thanks for the blessings we have received and to renew our commitment to treat others with Christ-like dignity and charity.”




North Carolina Gov. Pat McCrory (R)North Carolina
On Syrian refugees: “I care for these people … “We have an act of war going on that could come to our country and my job as governor is to protect the people of our state while also showing empathy to those people who are being harmed by terrorists.”
On religion: In a statement made on Easter, McCrory, who identifies as a Presbyterian, wrote, “May we conclude our Easter celebration with a renewed commitment of unconditional service to each other with no expectation of reward other than Christ’s declaration, “wh**ever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.”



Ohio Gov. John Kasich (R)Ohio
On Syrian refugees: The governor doesn’t believe the U.S. should accept additional Syrian refugees because security and safety issues cannot be adequately addressed,” said Jim Lynch, a spokesman for Kasich’s administration. “The governor is writing to the President to ask him to stop, and to ask him to stop resettling them in Ohio. We are also looking at what additional steps Ohio can take to stop resettlement of these refugees.”
On religion: Kasich frequently references his faith to explain his policy positions, such as his decision to expand Medicaid coverage to addition low-income Americans. During a meeting with Christian conservatives, Kasich said that the most important thing about faith “is what you do and not what you say.” He’s also said, “when I get to the pearly gates, I’m going to have an answer for what I’ve done for the poor.”



Texas Gov. Greg Abbot (R)

On Syrian refugees: “Texas will not accept any Syrian refugees & I demand the U.S. act similarly. Security comes first,” Abott said in a tweet.
On religion: Earlier this year at the National Catholic Prayer Breakfast, Abbott quoted scripture and urged attendees to remember God’s reminder that “a problem, a difficult situation, or a calamity” is an opportunity to “open the door to the Lord, so that he can come in.”
Additional reporting by Tara Culp-Ressler and Jack Jenkins.
Thanks to the Center for New Community for help compiling some of these governors’ most recent statements on refusing refugees.
TAGS RefugeeReligionSyria







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Nov 17, 2015 19:14:33   #
wuzblynd Loc: thomson georgia
 
SamDawkins wrote:
http://thinkprogress.org/immigration/2015/11/17/3723069/governors-refugees-response/


These Christian Governors Are Refusing Syrian Refugees. That’s Not What Jesus Would Do.
BY ESTHER YU-HSI LEE NOV 17, 2015 3:52PM

CREDIT: AP PHOTO/SANTI PALACIOS

A Syrian girl eats a lollipop after her arrival on a small boat from the Turkish coast on the northeastern Greek island of Lesbos Monday, Nov. 16, 2015. Greek authorities say 1,244 refugees and economic migrants have been rescued from frail craft in danger over the past three days in the Aegean Sea, as thousands continue to arrive on the Greek islands. (AP Photo/Santi Palacios)




At least 27 governors have recently come out against allowing Syrian refugees in their states, claiming that refugees could be a potential terrorist threat. Although the ultimate decision to resettle Syrian refugees will fall on the federal government, some governors have taken extreme measures like signing executive orders to prevent refugee settlement.
The anti-refugee position has struck many observers as hypocritical — especially considering the fact that, before the deadly attacks in Paris and Beirut over the weekend, many of these governors have invoked their Christian faith to make statements calling for tolerance and helping people different from them.
Indeed, many Bible passages call for Christians to “welcome the stranger.” Matthew 25:41-43, for instance, says that “we cannot say to those in need, ‘you are not our problem.'”
Here are just a few examples of previous statements from state leaders that run counter to the spirit of the position they’re taking on Syrian refugees now:




Arizona Gov. Doug Ducey (R)Arizona
On Syrian refugees: “Given the horrifying events in Paris last week, I am calling for an immediate halt in the placement of any new refugees in Arizona.”
On religion: When Pope Francis visited the United States two months ago, Ducey, who identifies as Catholic, said that he was “honored” and “deeply humbled to be a small part of the Pope’s historic visit.” Ducey may admire the pope, but his statement goes against Francis’ long-standing call for a compassionate solution to handle immigrants. Notably, Francis has called on European parishes to each take in refugee families.


Georgia Gov. Nathan Deal (R)Georgia
On Syrian refugees: “In light of the terror attacks in Paris, I’ve issued an executive order [pdf] directing state agency heads to prevent the resettlement of Syrian refugees in Georgia […] Until the federal government and Congress conducts a thorough review of current screening procedures and background checks, we will take every measure available to us at the state level to ensure the safety of Georgians.”
On religion: Deal has previously said that his faith guides his political decisions, noting, “I try to be a follower. Our understanding of what Jesus taught was that you’re going to hide these t***hs in your heart. It’s not so much what you say, it’s what you do. And it’s the way we try to live.” Deal perhaps missed the part of the Bible where Jesus instructed his followers to love their neighbors as themselves.




Idaho Gov. C.L. "Butch" Otter (R)Idaho
On Syrian refugees: “It makes no sense under the best of circumstances for the United States to allow people into our country who have the avowed desire to harm our communities, our institutions and our people […] The savage and senseless ISIS-driven attacks in Paris illustrate the essential inhumanity of terrorism and make it clearer than ever that we must make protecting our homeland from this threat our primary focus.”
On religion: Otter briefly studied to become a priest, noting, “I’m a Catholic, and I’ve got a value system I grew up with.” That value system includes welcoming refugees; just this week, the president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops reiterated the call to assist refugees in the United States.



Iowa Gov. Terry Branstad (R)Iowa
On Syrian refugees: “Until a thorough and thoughtful review is conducted by the intelligence community and the safety of Iowans can be assured, the federal government should not resettle any Syrian refugees in Iowa.”
On religion: Branstad once said that because of his mother’s Jewish heritage, he treats all religions with respect and dignity, according to the Des Moines Register in 2010.



Republican p**********l candidate and Louisiana
On Syrian refugees: “Mr. President, in light of these attacks on Paris and reports that one of the attackers was a refugee from Syria, it would be prudent to pause the process of refugees coming to the United States. Authorities need to investigate what happened in Europe before this problem comes to the United States.”
On religion: During a prayer meeting in June, Jindal told a crowd, “The single most important time in my life is the moment that I found Jesus Christ.” However, Jindal’s embrace of Jesus Christ has failed to grasp that part of Jesus’ mission was to feed the hungry, to care for the sick, and to welcome the stranger, namely immigrants.



Mississippi Gov. Phil Bryant (R)Mississippi
On Syrian refugees: “I will do everything humanly possible to stop any plans from the Obama Administration to put Syrian refugees in Mississippi.”
On religion: Bryant once told a group of students that Christianity shaped his world view and that Christmas wouldn’t be a holiday without Jesus Christ, whose own journey escaping from Egypt with his parents has some parallels to the plight of people fleeing Syria.



Nebraska Gov. Pete Ricketts (R)Nebraska
On Syrian refugees: “Nebraska is a welcoming place for families seeking a home to live, work, and raise a family. My administration understands the danger and persecution many are facing in the Middle East, however, it is important that our state consider the safety and security of Nebraskans first in any refugee resettlement efforts.”
On religion: In a series of tweets written during Holy Week 2015, Rickets urged families to come together to remember the sacrifice of Jesus Christ and “to give thanks for the blessings we have received and to renew our commitment to treat others with Christ-like dignity and charity.”




North Carolina Gov. Pat McCrory (R)North Carolina
On Syrian refugees: “I care for these people … “We have an act of war going on that could come to our country and my job as governor is to protect the people of our state while also showing empathy to those people who are being harmed by terrorists.”
On religion: In a statement made on Easter, McCrory, who identifies as a Presbyterian, wrote, “May we conclude our Easter celebration with a renewed commitment of unconditional service to each other with no expectation of reward other than Christ’s declaration, “wh**ever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.”



Ohio Gov. John Kasich (R)Ohio
On Syrian refugees: The governor doesn’t believe the U.S. should accept additional Syrian refugees because security and safety issues cannot be adequately addressed,” said Jim Lynch, a spokesman for Kasich’s administration. “The governor is writing to the President to ask him to stop, and to ask him to stop resettling them in Ohio. We are also looking at what additional steps Ohio can take to stop resettlement of these refugees.”
On religion: Kasich frequently references his faith to explain his policy positions, such as his decision to expand Medicaid coverage to addition low-income Americans. During a meeting with Christian conservatives, Kasich said that the most important thing about faith “is what you do and not what you say.” He’s also said, “when I get to the pearly gates, I’m going to have an answer for what I’ve done for the poor.”



Texas Gov. Greg Abbot (R)

On Syrian refugees: “Texas will not accept any Syrian refugees & I demand the U.S. act similarly. Security comes first,” Abott said in a tweet.
On religion: Earlier this year at the National Catholic Prayer Breakfast, Abbott quoted scripture and urged attendees to remember God’s reminder that “a problem, a difficult situation, or a calamity” is an opportunity to “open the door to the Lord, so that he can come in.”
Additional reporting by Tara Culp-Ressler and Jack Jenkins.
Thanks to the Center for New Community for help compiling some of these governors’ most recent statements on refusing refugees.
TAGS RefugeeReligionSyria
http://thinkprogress.org/immigration/2015/11/17/37... (show quote)





U ain't got a clue as to Christianity. What a dork!! Hush dork.

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Nov 17, 2015 19:18:17   #
SamDawkins
 
wuzblynd wrote:
U ain't got a clue as to Christianity. What a dork!! Hush dork.



I know hypocrisy when I see it.
:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Nov 17, 2015 19:20:48   #
Hemiman Loc: Communist California
 
Jesus said;Go ye and exercise the survival instinct I bestowed upon ye,or something like that.

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Nov 17, 2015 19:22:49   #
reconreb Loc: America / Inglis Fla.
 
I refuse to read your post ..good luck

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Nov 17, 2015 19:23:43   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
SamDawkins wrote:
http//thinkprogress.org/immigration/2015/11/17/3723069/governors-refugees-response/


These Christian Governors Are Refusing Syrian Refugees. That’s Not What Jesus Would Do.
BY ESTHER YU-HSI LEE
And you think a "thinkprogress" hack named Esther Yu-Hsi Lee has a freaking clue what Jesus would do?

Quite disingenuous of you, Sam, to dig up a piece of garbage from a l*****t landfill. But, that's your MO, isn't it? Anything to slam Christians.

I imagine you are another one of those bleeding hearts who think all of these Syrian refugees are just poor little starving saints.

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Nov 17, 2015 19:26:25   #
SamDawkins
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
And you think a "thinkprogress" hack named Esther Yu-Hsi Lee has a freaking clue what Jesus would do?

Quite disingenuous of you, Sam, to dig up a piece of garbage from a l*****t landfill. But, that's your MO, isn't it? Anything to slam Christians.

I imagine you are another one of those bleeding hearts who think all of these Syrian refugees are just poor little starving saints.



Just exposing christian hypocrisy.

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Nov 17, 2015 21:06:38   #
RWNJ
 
SamDawkins wrote:
I know hypocrisy when I see it.
:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:


And we all know an ignorant turd when we see you.

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Nov 17, 2015 21:18:12   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
[qu

Texas Gov. Greg Abbot (R)

On Syrian refugees: “Texas will not accept any Syrian refugees & I demand the U.S. act similarly. Security comes first,” Abott said in a tweet.
On religion: Earlier this year at the National Catholic Prayer Breakfast, Abbott quoted scripture and urged attendees to remember God’s reminder that “a problem, a difficult situation, or a calamity” is an opportunity to “open the door to the Lord, so that he can come in.”
Additional reporting by Tara Culp-Ressler and Jack Jenkins.
Thanks to the Center for New Community for help compiling some of these governors’ most recent statements on refusing refugees.
TAGS RefugeeReligionSyria[/quote]


Is it Christian to invite those who intend to murder your family in to have dinner with you? If the government were able to vet the "refugees" to make sure they were really refugees, not terrorists in training it would be a different story. however they have not been vetted in any way. nor has anyone checked to find out what diseases they might be bringing in with them, including parasites of various kinds. It is apparently the norm for one muslim man to have 5 wives and each have 5 children and all on welfare as soon as they come in. We don't allow more than one wife (although the L***Q activists have joined the polyamory crowd to change that)It would also be more humane to send refugees to areas with similar cultures, languages, and climate. On the otherhand perhaps we should develop a town in Barrow Alaska for all the refugees, they might be to busy keeping warm to bother to train future terrorists.

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Nov 17, 2015 21:58:06   #
bobebgtime Loc: Virginia
 
SamDawkins wrote:
I know hypocrisy when I see it.
:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:




Do you know "self righteous indignation" when you see it?

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Nov 17, 2015 21:59:11   #
SamDawkins
 
no propaganda please wrote:
[qu

Texas Gov. Greg Abbot (R)

On Syrian refugees: “Texas will not accept any Syrian refugees & I demand the U.S. act similarly. Security comes first,” Abott said in a tweet.
On religion: Earlier this year at the National Catholic Prayer Breakfast, Abbott quoted scripture and urged attendees to remember God’s reminder that “a problem, a difficult situation, or a calamity” is an opportunity to “open the door to the Lord, so that he can come in.”
Additional reporting by Tara Culp-Ressler and Jack Jenkins.
Thanks to the Center for New Community for help compiling some of these governors’ most recent statements on refusing refugees.
TAGS RefugeeReligionSyria[/quote]


Is it Christian to invite those who intend to murder your family in to have dinner with you? If the government were able to vet the "refugees" to make sure they were really refugees, not terrorists in training it would be a different story. however they have not been vetted in any way. nor has anyone checked to find out what diseases they might be bringing in with them, including parasites of various kinds. It is apparently the norm for one muslim man to have 5 wives and each have 5 children and all on welfare as soon as they come in. We don't allow more than one wife (although the L***Q activists have joined the polyamory crowd to change that)It would also be more humane to send refugees to areas with similar cultures, languages, and climate. On the otherhand perhaps we should develop a town in Barrow Alaska for all the refugees, they might be to busy keeping warm to bother to train future terrorists.
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What is the Syrian refugee vetting process?
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A growing number of Republicans -- including governors, members of Congress and 2016 p**********l candidates -- are expressing concern about the vetting process for Syrian refugees, but Obama administration officials said Tuesday that a great deal of those concerns are based on "misinformation."

State Department officials are briefing governors and mayors on a conference call Tuesday to reassure them that the process of screening refugees is robust and secure.

"I think a lot of the questions we're getting right now... are from members [of Congress] who are just learning about the program for the first time," a senior administration official told reporters on a conference call Tuesday. "I also think there's a lot of misinformation out there."

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For instance, reports that the United Nations selects the refugees who enter the U.S. are simply not true. In fact, the vetting process for refugees is "quite intensive and involves several government agencies," the senior official said.

The approval rate for refugees seeking asylum in the United States currently stands at just over 50 percent, senior administration officials said. The process for obtaining refugee status in the United States typically takes 18 to 24 months.

About 1,800 Syrian refugees have entered the U.S. in the past year. So far, only about 2 percent of the Syrian refugees entering the United States are single men of "combat age." Roughly half of the Syrian refugees are children, and 2.5 percent are adults over 60.

Refugees --- from any nation -- are accepted only "after subjecting them to the most rigorous screening and security vetting of any traveler to the United States," a senior administration official said.

"Slamming the door in their face would be a betrayal of our values," the official added.


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More than half of U.S. governors reject Syrian refugees
The process for any refugee begins with the processing of biographic information (such as an applicant's name and date of birth) and biometric information (such as fingerprints). The information is checked against databases in several different U.S. agencies including the FBI, the State Department and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS).

If an applicant has applied for an overseas visa in the past, their biometric information should be on record. It can be used to ensure that the applicant has had a consistent story about the circumstances that prompted them to seek asylum.

After that, applicants go through a lengthy, in-person interview process overseas. The interviews are conducted by specially-trained DHS officers who spend at least eight weeks learning sk**ls like how to question applicants and test their credibility. These adjudicators receive special training for interviewing refugees from Iraq or Syria.

Currently, the U.S. is interviewing Syrian refugee applicants in Amman, Jordan, Istanbul, Turkey, and in Cairo, Egypt. Interviews will soon be conducted in Lebanon and a few other locations.

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One senior administration official told reporters that the U.S. has benefitted from its "years of experience" vetting Iraqi refugees. Since that large-scale program started in 2007, the vetting process has become more robust.

Going back even further than that, senior administration officials pointed out that government agencies like the State Department and the Pentagon have been refining and enhancing the degree to which they share information since the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.

"We're constantly refining the process," one official said.

Even so, government leaders have acknowledged the system is far from perfect.

"We did discover in people who have come in as refugees from Iraq a number of people of serious concern," FBI Director James Comey told the House Judiciary Committee last month, "including two charged when we found their fingerprints on improvised explosive devices."

Comey added, "There's no doubt that was the product of a less-than-excellent vetting that had been done on Iraqi refugees."

"We have improved dramatically our ability as an interagency -- all parts of the U.S. government -- to query and check people," he continued. However, "Our ability to touch data with respect to people who may come from Syria may be limited... The data we had available to us from Iraq from our folks being there... is richer than the data we have from Syria."

On Tuesday, Attorney General Loretta Lynch acknowledged to the same House committee that "certainly there are challenges to this process."

However, she continued, "We do have the benefit of having that robust screening process in place -- a process that Europe has not been able to set up."

Since the U.S. can't rely on the Syrian government to check things like an applicant's criminal history, the U.S. relies on what they learn from interviews for that information.

A senior administration official told reporters that "there is intelligence on refugee populations including, Syrian refugees," that can help in the vetting process.

And while many refugees seeking asylum in the U.S. don't have proper documentation like birth certificates, a senior administration official told reporters that "Iraqis and Syrians tend to be a very heavily documented population." Families seeking asylum can often produce passports or military registration forms, the official said.

Once refugees are accepted into the United States, governors don't really have much say over their placement. Moreover, the federal government doesn't target specific states or cities. It uses a variety of factors -- such as where in the U.S. a refugee may have family members -- to determine placement. The nine not-for-profit programs that work with the government to place refugees meet on a weekly basis to determine placement.

"It's not a plan where we sit down and say, 'Let's go to this city this month and this city next month,'" a senior administration official said. "It's a vibrant program adjusted based on what local communities can handle."

This story was updated after the State Department said it misstated the percentage of Syrian refugees over the age of 60: 2.5 percent, not 25 percent, are over 60 years old.

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Nov 17, 2015 22:06:52   #
SamDawkins
 
bobebgtime wrote:
Do you know "self righteous indignation" when you see it?




Yes I do. Certainly nothing I have said is "self righteous",and no "indignation" has been demonstrated on my part.


self-right·eous (sĕlf′rī′chəs)
adj.
1. Smugly or unduly sure of one's own righteousness.
2. Exhibiting smug or unwarranted confidence in one's own righteousness: self-righteous remarks.

indignation
noun in·dig·na·tion \ˌin-dig-ˈnā-shən\
: anger caused by something that is unfair or wrong


If you could please point out anywhere that I may have demonstrated any of those attributes.

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Nov 17, 2015 22:07:01   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
SamDawkins wrote:
Just exposing christian hypocrisy.
No, you're not, you're just pounding your pud in a dark closet.

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Nov 17, 2015 22:10:28   #
SamDawkins
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
No, you're not, you're just pounding your pud in a dark closet.



Seriously?

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Nov 17, 2015 22:29:13   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
This isn't an issue of religion Sam..Its National Security first, all else secondary...

If you want to take it literal then politics and religion never go together nor are they interchangeable to each other...

Tell me if you can, do you know how your atheist friends feel about this issue?? Any "position" anywhere from them??

Also have to say whenever I see you go to the dictionary to define words, its so very familiar to me...Not many do that at all...

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