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Aug 16, 2015 10:10:07   #
Ike Loc: Minnesota Iron Range
 
RockKnutne wrote:
Howdy Glocko Rock here, nice to beat ya!

Just wanted to tell ya on that whole Bible reading thing... I'mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm your man!

First allow me to state, your post is pure crap! I mean it only illuminates utter ignorance of God's word and only a feckin' godless liberal would think this was a smack down of anything Christian, right or any flavor in between.

The analogy that comes to my mind is like trying to say bad journalism today is caused by man's use of parchment in 5 B.C.. It just doesn't make any sense.

When bobbleheaded blowhearts like you try and show the Old Testament law for Jews as some kind of proof God's word is outdated and invalid in 2015 and, the only people that could believe such nonsense still think man has never been to the moon, well your ignorance is really showing beneath your toga.

Try not to trip over it!

Oooooooooooooooooops too late!

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

FYI: The piece of crap you posted is amusing, accurate... not so much!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Howdy Glocko Rock here, nice to beat ya! br br Ju... (show quote)


Please explain why the Bible references in the original post are "a piece of crap."

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Aug 16, 2015 10:21:18   #
Ike Loc: Minnesota Iron Range
 
Glaucon wrote:


"If a man would follow, today, the teachings of the Old Testament, he would be a criminal. If he would follow strictly the teachings of the New, he would be insane."
Ingersoll


I think there are people who try to follow the teachings of John the Baptist, Jesus, and his brother James, but they live a very different life from most of us. The Catholic Workers come tom mind as an example. They live very simply ("Blessed are the poor . . ."), and spend their time feeding the hungry, clothing those in rags, caring for the sick, and welcoming the outsider, following Jesus' instructions in Matthew 25 ("And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.") By contemporary society's standards, I suppose they are insane.

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Aug 16, 2015 10:25:50   #
RockKnutne Loc: Valhöll
 
Glaucon wrote:
RockKnutne wrote:
Howdy Glocko Rock here, nice to beat ya!

Just wanted to tell ya on that whole Bible reading thing... I'mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm your man!

First allow me to state, your post is pure crap! I mean it only illuminates utter ignorance of God's word and only a feckin' godless liberal would think this was a smack down of anything Christian, right or any flavor in between.

The analogy that comes to my mind is like trying to say bad journalism today is caused by man's use of parchment in 5 B.C.. It just doesn't make any sense.

When bobbleheaded blowhearts like you try and show the Old Testament law for Jews as some kind of proof God's word is outdated and invalid in 2015 and, the only people that could believe such nonsense still think man has never been to the moon, well your ignorance is really showing beneath your toga.

Try not to trip over it!

Oooooooooooooooooops too late!

RESPONSE:
You got right to the insults and bigotry, but in the past , you have sometimes included discussion and civil exchanges. Wait, I think that was someone else I was thinking about with the discussion and civil exchange. Sorry.
RockKnutne wrote: br Howdy Glocko Rock here, nice ... (show quote)


Ahhhhhhh geeeeeeee Glocko, I only berate those I don't know or know and can't stand. Wanna guess where you fall on that continuum?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Hmmmmm a Big Ot Tree, don't know or grow any of them, you must have me confused with another or more likely, confusion is your home state and you're the feckin' governor!

You are a bigot because you are intolerant of people who believe God's word is truth. Show me where I fall under the definition you pompous arse moron.

Look at the tolerance shown to even dimwits like yourself in God's word. Take what Paul said for example, Tarsus not Pisces, just so ya know...

For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

-Romans 1:16

And again...

but glory and honor and peace to everyone who does good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. For there is no partiality with God.…

-Romans 2:10

I believe that see and that's why I don't play favorites either, I can't stand any of your feckin' godless liberals!

You are sorry but, it doesn't mean we aint buddies am I right?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :wink:

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Aug 16, 2015 10:57:39   #
rebob14
 
Glaucon wrote:
Have Christians abandoned the Old Testament entirely? I was under the impression that the Old and New were equal in importance to them.


They are. The old serves as a spiritual credential for the new. Abraham was the first revelation of God to man but man was so steeped in paganism that there was need of the Law to protect man untill the day of redemption, Jesus' ministry and example, so man could finally live in fellowship with God. The book of Romans explains. The old Testament is full of examples of promise and forgiveness, that the way back to Him is always available.

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Aug 16, 2015 11:13:00   #
alabuck Loc: Tennessee
 
Glaucon wrote:
Dr. Laura Schlesinger (a popular conservative radio talk show host in the USA) said that homosexuality is an abomination according to the Bible Leviticus 18:22, and cannot be condoned under any circumstance. The following response is an open letter to Dr. Laura.

Dear Dr. Laura:
Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God’s Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination… end of debate.
I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God’s Laws and how to follow them.
1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can’t I own Canadians?
2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual unseemliness – Lev. 15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence.
4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord – Lev. 1:9. The problem is my neighbours. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
5. I have a neighbour who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2. clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?
6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination – Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don’t agree. Can you settle this? Are there ‘degrees’ of abomination?
7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?
8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?
9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev. 24:10-16. Couldn’t we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help.
Thank you again for reminding us that God’s word is eternal and unchanging.
Your adoring fan,
James M. Kauffman, Ed. D.
Professor Emeritus Dept. of Curriculum, Instruction, and Special Education
University of Virginia
Dear Dr. Laura:
Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God’s Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination… end of debate.
I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God’s Laws and how to follow them.
1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighbouring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can’t I own Canadians?
2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual unseemliness – Lev. 15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence.
4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord – Lev. 1:9. The problem is my neighbours. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
5. I have a neighbour who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2. clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?
6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination – Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don’t agree. Can you settle this? Are there ‘degrees’ of abomination?
7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?
8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?
9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev. 24:10-16. Couldn’t we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help.
Thank you again for reminding us that God’s word is eternal and unchanging.
Your adoring fan,
James M. Kauffman, Ed. D.
Professor Emeritus Dept. of Curriculum, Instruction, and Special Education
University of Virginia
Dr. Laura Schlesinger (a popular conservative radi... (show quote)

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http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/drlaura.asp

Sorry to burst your bubble on this letter, Glaucon, but according to Snopes.com, the letter is "Legend." In other words, it's a fake.

I, myself, have recently posted portions of the Old Testament that require God's people to kill others for committing certain sins, when comparing the harshness of Mosaic Law with Shria Law. However, I didn't resort to using made up sources to support my point. As a Christian, I would ask others, who wish to make similar comparisons, to stick with their using "supporting writings" that are known to be true and refrain from using articles that, in the end, only serve to destroy your credibility.

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Aug 16, 2015 11:14:02   #
Glaucon
 
[quote=rebob14]They are. The old serves as a spiritual credential for the new. Abraham was the first revelation of God to man but man was so steeped in paganism that there was need of the Law to protect man untill the day of redemption, Jesus' ministry and example, so man could finally live in fellowship with God. The book of Romans explains. The old Testament is full of examples of promise and forgiveness, that the way back to Him is always available.[/quote

I don't think most of those on OPP are able to do the research you suggest that would be necessary for us to avoid burning in Hell for eternity.

Who decides which parts of the Bible God meant and which parts we should ignore? My reading of the Bible suggests the Christian god is, above all, interested in glorifying himself. In the first three Commandments, God is concerned with himself/herself. Would it be fair to think of God as a narcissist?

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Aug 16, 2015 11:27:11   #
Glaucon
 
alabuck wrote:
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http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/drlaura.asp

Sorry to burst your bubble on this letter, Glaucon, but according to Snopes.com, the letter is "Legend." In other words, it's a fake.

I, myself, have recently posted portions of the Old Testament that require God's people to kill others for committing certain sins, when comparing the harshness of Mosaic Law with Shria Law. However, I didn't resort to using made up sources to support my point. As a Christian, I would ask others, who wish to make similar comparisons, to stick with their using "supporting writings" that are known to be true and refrain from using articles that, in the end, only serve to destroy your credibility.
------------- br br br http://www.snopes.com/pol... (show quote)


You found a way to miss the point of the letter entirely. Do you question that the Bible passages cited are accurate, they are. It really doesn't matter who wrote this, what does matter is that the points the author made are taken directly from the Bible. Also, I think you are trying to say that Muslims are as evil and hateful as the Bible and I am not clear on how that matters.

Why do you want to compare the Bible quotes to Shria law, evil things are evil no matter which book they are in.

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Aug 16, 2015 11:56:28   #
RockKnutne Loc: Valhöll
 
Ike wrote:
Please explain why the Bible references in the original post are "a piece of crap."


Ike with all due respect...

Because I say so, that's why... so there. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Okay in a nutshell, here it is... There was what God says and then, there was Jewish law and that was mostly man's doing. The powers that be made it so feckin' impossible to hold up under such weight, it literally took an act of the Son of God to simply shite for mankind.

Are ya with me so far?

There is what's legal and then, there's what's right. Kind of like in America today. God says "Thou shall not kill", SCOTUS sez, kill and kill babies with impunity. That's legal here but right? I wouldn't bet my soul on that one. The great thing is ALL is forgiveable by God. Nothing will be remembered, NOT A THING but, that takes faith.

It's a little difficult to try and give you what I learned about God's truth over my entire lifetime in a thread comment.

Like in that TV show the "X-Files"...

"The Truth Is Out There"

God word is the "Cross-Files" and the truth is very obtainable if you seek after it. I can give you my truth but, it may not be yours. You need to find what's true for you but, if you omit God from the equation... why hell, you'll wind up a freakin' democrat, okay?

You've been warned, bye-bye now...

:wink:



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Aug 16, 2015 11:59:45   #
Glaucon
 
RockKnutne wrote:
Ike with all due respect...

Because I say so, that's why... so there. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Okay in a nutshell, here it is... There was what God says and then, there was Jewish law and that was was man's doing. The powers that be made it so feckin' impossible to hold up under such weight, it literally took an act of the Son of God to simply shite for mankind.

Are ya with me so far?

There is what's legal and then, there's what's right. Kind of like in America today. God says "Thou shall not kill", SCOTUS sez, kill and kill babies with impunity. That's legal here but right? I wouldn't bet my soul on that one. The great thing is ALL is forgiveable by God. Nothing will be remembered, NOT A THING but, that takes faith.

It's a little difficult to try and give you what I learned about God's truth over my entire lifetime in a thread comment.

Like in that TV show the "X-Files"...

"The Truth Is Out There"

God word is the "Cross-Files" and the truth is very obtainable if you seek after it. I can give you my truth but, it may not be yours. You need to find what's true for you but, if you omit God form the equation... why hell, you'll wind up a freakin' democrat, okay?

You've been warned, bye-bye now...

:wink:
Ike with all due respect... br br Because I say s... (show quote)

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Aug 16, 2015 12:04:48   #
Glaucon
 
Your rationalizations are amazing. You seem to be able to twist, turn, convolute, misunderstand and rationalize, but you seem to need to believe and you are certainly able to convince yourself and others with similar needs. The Bible seems to be a cafeteria from which you chose what you need to believe.

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Aug 16, 2015 12:05:59   #
RockKnutne Loc: Valhöll
 
alabuck wrote:
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http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/drlaura.asp

Sorry to burst your bubble on this letter, Glaucon, but according to Snopes.com, the letter is "Legend." In other words, it's a fake.

I, myself, have recently posted portions of the Old Testament that require God's people to kill others for committing certain sins, when comparing the harshness of Mosaic Law with Shria Law. However, I didn't resort to using made up sources to support my point. As a Christian, I would ask others, who wish to make similar comparisons, to stick with their using "supporting writings" that are known to be true and refrain from using articles that, in the end, only serve to destroy your credibility.
------------- br br br http://www.snopes.com/pol... (show quote)


Leave it to my bro!

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

Funny thing AB, I checked snopes and it told me Glocko was a fake. Is this a reliable web site? :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Aug 16, 2015 12:08:18   #
RockKnutne Loc: Valhöll
 
Glaucon wrote:
Your rationalizations are amazing. You seem to be able to twist, turn, convolute, misunderstand and rationalize, but you seem to need to believe and you are certainly able to convince yourself and others with similar needs. The Bible seems to be a cafeteria from which you chose what you need to believe.


Who are you blathering to now you senile old goat?

:shock: :?: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Aug 16, 2015 14:24:38   #
RockKnutne Loc: Valhöll
 
Glaucon wrote:
rebob14 wrote:
They are. The old serves as a spiritual credential for the new. Abraham was the first revelation of God to man but man was so steeped in paganism that there was need of the Law to protect man untill the day of redemption, Jesus' ministry and example, so man could finally live in fellowship with God. The book of Romans explains. The old Testament is full of examples of promise and forgiveness, that the way back to Him is always available.


I don't think most of those on OPP are able to do the research you suggest that would be necessary for us to avoid burning in Hell for eternity.

Who decides which parts of the Bible God meant and which parts we should ignore? My reading of the Bible suggests the Christian god is, above all, interested in glorifying himself. In the first three Commandments, God is concerned with himself/herself. Would it be fair to think of God as a narcissist?
quote=rebob14 They are. The old serves as a spir... (show quote)


See Glaucoma this is how it works...

You make it, you own it and can make the rules. Simple, like when you fill your pants... , your mess, your mess!

IDIOT!

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Aug 16, 2015 15:06:55   #
alabuck Loc: Tennessee
 
RockKnutne wrote:
Leave it to my bro!

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

Funny thing AB, I checked snopes and it told me Glocko was a fake. Is this a reliable web site? :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Perhaps I'm not getting a full understanding of this thread. It wouldn't be the first time I've read something and taken it down an unmarked rabbit trail. Let's blame it on the OxyContin I take for my back pain and for the residual pain from my recent (4 weeks ago) hip replacement surgery.

So, Glaucon, enlighten me as to the point of your original post. As I read it, it reminded me of what I'd posted in a different thread. The thread was highlighting what many Westerners consider barbaric Islamic punishments for its sinners. The point of what I posted in that thread was to show how similar the punishments are and the differences between punishments as listed in the Holy Bible vs the Koran.

Should one ever read, in depth, what are considered "capital crimes," as listed in the Old Testament, they might have a change of opinion as to the "barbaric" nature of Islam. I find it odd that so many on here claim that we are a "Christian nation" when, in fact, we, today, have a very different standard when it comes to what we consider "criminal" when compared to the Mosaic Law of the Holy Bible. How many of us "Christians" would actually turn our children over to the authorities to be stoned to death, simply for mouthing back to their parents? How many farmers would be publically executed because they planted 2 kinds of crops in the same field? And, from Matthew and Mark, of the New Testament, how many of us would pluck out one or both of our eyes or cut off one or both of our hands, should they cause us to sin?

There are so many of us "Christians" who have refined to a science the art of judging others about the speck in their eyes while, at the same time, forgetting the log that is in their own eye.

Rock, who/what is "Glocko?" I have no clue as what you're talking about. :?: I even tried to look it up on Snopes.com, and couldn't find it. Can you send me the link, please? Pretty please? With chocolate on top? :thumbup:

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Aug 16, 2015 15:07:01   #
Glaucon
 
RockKnutne wrote:
Leave it to my bro!

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

Funny thing AB, I checked snopes and it told me Glocko was a fake. Is this a reliable web site? :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I read the Snopes entry and I don't like to have to explain it to you, but it didn't say what you thought it said. I think you tend to find any message you need to find no matter what the reality is. Do you have any problem acknowledging that all of the Bible quotes are accurate? The Bible quotes were the point.

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