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Jul 15, 2015 14:27:42   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
KHH1 wrote:
A bigger joke is the fools who are talking schit about this Iran deal but remain mum on W's failure that resulted in N. Korea getting nukes and threatening America while all of you also sat their with your fingers in your azzes dumbfounded...now THAT is a joke indeed........



Your illiteracy of facts are marginally drowned out, injecting the need to assign a past president responsible, 7 years post of current events. The fact your narrow views are limited by media (left/marxist) input, remiss of truthful facts. Once you have done the due diligence of (genuine) research that a university professor would expect from a Jr. college student, including references. Instead you argue a pro- obama, pro-Iran nuclear arms deal on several fronts, yet without supportive evidence as a poster of such an issue need do. Your claim to employ as a university professor is in question, if so........you fail perfectly.

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Jul 15, 2015 14:28:43   #
hnealc
 
KHH1 wrote:
Between the economy/economic policy, healthcare, wars/foreign policy, civil rights, supreme court decisions.....Pres. Obama has come through with flying colors...working Congress in the process...The Right knows this and it kills them...... :thumbup:


Iran Nuclear Deal Is Reached After Long Negotiations
By DAVID E. SANGER and MICHAEL R. GORDONJULY 14, 2015
VIENNA — Iran and a group of six nations led by the United States have agreed to a historic accord to significantly limit Tehran’s nuclear ability for more than a decade in return for lifting international oil and financial sanctions against Iran, a senior Western diplomat involved in the negotiations said on Tuesday.

The deal culminates 20 months of negotiations on a deal that President Obama had long sought as the biggest diplomatic achievement of his presidency.

A formal announcement of the agreement was expected later on Tuesday, when foreign ministers from Iran and the six nations it has been negotiating with will meet at a United Nations complex here in Vienna. Catherine Ray, a spokeswoman for the European Union, said a final plenary meeting of the six nations — the United States, Britain, France, Germany, China and Russia — will take place at 10:30 a.m. in Vienna, followed by a news conference, but she provided no further details.

Secretary of State John Kerry, second from left, meets with foreign ministers and delegations from Germany, France, China, Britain, Russia and the European Union on Monday in Vienna.Inching Near an Iran Nuclear Deal, Negotiators Go SilentJULY 13, 2015
Metallic seals like this one have long been used to prevent unauthorized access to nuclear equipment. New electronic and fiber-optic seals beam back confirmation that they remain intact.Awaiting Iran Deal, Nuclear Sleuths Gather Sophisticated ToolsJULY 6, 2015
Diplomats have declined to provide details until Secretary of State John Kerry and his Iranian counterpart, Mohammad Javad Zarif, speak at that event. Mr. Obama is expected to make a public statement in Washington, beginning a long process to sell the deal to Congress and the American public.
But the Western diplomat, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was discussing confidential talks, signaled that all of the main outstanding issues had been resolved, including the thorny question of how many years an embargo on conventional arms shipments into and out of Iran would remain in place.

The agreement and its annexes run more than 80 pages, Iranian officials say, outlining in painstaking detail how much nuclear fuel Iran can keep in the country for the next 15 years; what kind of research and development it can perform on centrifuges and other nuclear equipment; and the redesign of both a nuclear reactor and a deep-underground enrichment site that Israeli and American officials feared could be invulnerable to bombing.

But to strike the deal, Mr. Kerry and the other negotiators had to accept an understanding that essentially left in place most of Iran’s infrastructure at the country’s main nuclear sites, though much of it would be disassembled and put in storage. Iran is likely to cite that fact as evidence that it never gave in to the West’s demands that it dismantle its critical facilities.

Secretary of State John Kerry with foreign ministers and other delegates from the United States' negotiating partners in Vienna on Monday. Credit Pool photo by Carlos Barria
The agreement not to shutter Iran’s most advanced nuclear facilities is expected to be a focal point for critics in Congress, which now has 60 days to approve or reject the deal. Those critics have already complained that the deal being discussed would only delay the day when Iran would have the ability to build an atomic weapon.

The accord will be a political agreement, not a legally binding treaty.

Some restrictions limiting Iran’s program begin to phase out after 10 years. Then, after 15 years, Iran would be free to produce as much enriched uranium as it wanted. In theory, though, the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, to which Tehran is a signatory, would prevent it from taking the last steps to produce a weapon.
With the announcement of the accord, Mr. Obama has now made major strides toward fundamentally changing the American diplomatic relationships with three nations: Cuba, Iran and Myanmar. Of the three, Iran is the most strategically important, the only one with a nuclear program and still on the State Department’s list of state sponsors of terrorism.

Although some provisions, including the arms embargo, are expected to be especially contentious in Congress, Mr. Obama’s chances of ultimately prevailing are considered high. Even if the accord is voted down by one or both houses, he could veto that action, and he is likely to have the votes he would need to prevail in an effort to override the veto. But he has told aides that for an accord as important as this one — which he hopes will usher in a virtual truce with a country that has been a major American adversary for 35 years — he wants to win a congressional endorsement.

Mr. Obama will also have to manage the breach with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel and the leaders of Saudi Arabia and other Arab states who have warned against the deal, saying the relief of sanctions will ultimately empower the Iranians throughout the Middle East.

The announcement comes after years of sanctions and covert cyberattacks to disable Iran’s nuclear program, which Iranian leaders insist is only for peaceful purposes.

Mr. Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton, then the secretary of state, began the effort to reach an agreement on the nuclear program by sending aides on secret missions starting in 2012 to meet Iranian diplomats and explore the opening of talks, enraging Israeli officials who had been left in the dark.

A preliminary accord struck in 2013 temporarily froze much of Iran’s program and rolled back the production of a kind of fuel that was closest to bomb grade. The ensuing negotiations have been repeatedly extended and became Mr. Kerry’s single biggest mission. Once-rare American encounters with Iranian diplomats became routine. Along the way, Mr. Kerry has spent more hours with Mr. Zarif than with any other foreign minister.
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Yup! It's killing us, all right! And quite a few who's political persuasion is not known, because they are DEAD!!

Asshole!!!

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Jul 15, 2015 14:35:19   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
Your illiteracy of facts is marginally drowned out, injecting the need to assign a past president, 7 years post of current events. The fact your narrow views are limited by media (left/marxist) input, remiss of truthful facts. Once you have done the due diligence of (genuine) research that a university professor would expect from a Jr. college student, including references. Instead you argue a pro- obama, pro-Iran nuclear arms deal on several fronts, yet without supportive evidence as a poster of such an issue need do. Your claim to employ as a university professor is in question, if so........you fail perfectly.
Your illiteracy of facts is marginally drowned out... (show quote)


When I first entered college, I found my professors impressive. After I was forced to drop out due to pecuniary strangulation, and did a couple of years at the University of Uncle Sam, (Army ) I returned to college and I was far less impressed, due mostly to having had my horizons expanded in a way that many of those professors, parochial in their ivory-towered tenure, had never experienced.

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Jul 15, 2015 14:37:13   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
hnealc wrote:
Yup! It's killing us, all right! And quite a few who's political persuasion is not known, because they are DEAD!!

Asshole!!!


Dead because of an ass kickin?????????

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Jul 15, 2015 14:40:07   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
Loki wrote:
When I first entered college, I found my professors impressive. After I was forced to drop out due to pecuniary strangulation, and did a couple of years at the University of Uncle Sam, (Army ) I returned to college and I was far less impressed, due mostly to having had my horizons expanded in a way that many of those professors, parochial in their ivory-towered tenure, had never experienced.


What was your major Loki?

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Jul 15, 2015 14:55:40   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Loki wrote:
When I first entered college, I found my professors impressive. After I was forced to drop out due to pecuniary strangulation, and did a couple of years at the University of Uncle Sam, (Army ) I returned to college and I was far less impressed, due mostly to having had my horizons expanded in a way that many of those professors, parochial in their ivory-towered tenure, had never experienced.


KHH1 has stated his ability to change students minds, in a professor of the century light. Reading his responses, remiss of dialogue resembles your honest description. ... parochial in his ivory - tower tenure. But more likely is a wannabe, insecure, non doctoral degree professor with severe insecurities due to peer pressure of surrounding scholars in their ivory-towered tenure.

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Jul 15, 2015 14:58:11   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Bad Bob wrote:
What was your major Loki?


Liberal Arts. Minor in History. Started as a Music Major. I might as well have studied Multi-Cultural Underwater Basket-Weaving Techniques Thoughout History as far as job prospects go. Probably explains why I became a chef. The pay and food are better than history professors can expect. My life experiences which include such varied endeavors as yacht delivery crew, and spending a winter in the New Mexican Rockies in a f*cking teepee playing Hippie-In-The-Boondocks were an interesting counterpoint to military service and college life. I also played music professionally for 5 years. I actually made a living at it 3 of those years. Concerning the other 2, the less said, the better.

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Jul 15, 2015 15:04:26   #
America Only Loc: From the right hand of God
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
KHH1 has stated his ability to change students minds, in a professor of the century light. Reading his responses, remiss of dialogue resembles your honest description. ... parochial in his ivory - tower tenure. But more likely is a wannabe, insecure, non doctoral degree professor with severe insecurities due to peer pressure of surrounding scholars in their ivory-towered tenure.


KHH1 learned everything he knows..on the back of Corn Muffin boxes.....

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Jul 15, 2015 15:05:56   #
America Only Loc: From the right hand of God
 
Obummers legacy...more than not will be the very first President to be hung by the neck until dead, for treason.

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Jul 15, 2015 15:09:12   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
America Only wrote:
Obummers legacy...more than not will be the very first President to be hung by the neck until dead, for treason.


If the rope is recycled, that should make him a little happier. I personally think that a long term on a rockpile would be a preferable ending. He could join most of congress there and maybe for once, they would do something worthwhile, making little ones out of big ones.

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Jul 15, 2015 15:23:10   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
KHH1 wrote:
I think the best thing that happened is that Pres. Obama won twice and made all the fools surface and show their true colors based on psychotic speech and behavior....and to think all the closet racists were amongst us masquerading as normal people...well, we know better than that now...haha...
Boy, y'all got that right. Your true colors certainly surfaced in those elections, and you can't help but continuing to prove it. You don't even wear the mask of a normal person anymore--if you ever did.

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Jul 15, 2015 15:35:11   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
KHH1 wrote:
Bad Bob.......they are funny as hell...the reactions show how troubled those two ass kickings.....coupled with a multitude of ass kickings during Pres. Obama’s two terms has left them. They are calling names, posting pictures...hurling insults...trying to relieve their own pain by thinking they are causing others some with the bullshit that comes from their second rectums (mouths). I sit here and look at what they post and laugh as they make fucking spectacles of themselves.....I'm doing great...Obama is doing great.....do they really think anyone is upset other than them? They are in the defeated losers camp trying to possess the demeanor of winners.....hilarious.....I am about to wet my pants laughing at the imbecilic (in a former classification system, somebody with an IQ between 25 and 50 and a mental age of between three and seven years) actions I am witnessing.....I think i'll file this under my standard posts listing...save myself some future typing.......
Bad Bob.......they are funny as hell...the reactio... (show quote)
Oh yeah, and throughout the eight years that GW Bush was in office, you leftists were so damned civil expressing your displeasure. hypocrite.

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Jul 15, 2015 17:33:02   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
Loki wrote:
Liberal Arts. Minor in History. Started as a Music Major. I might as well have studied Multi-Cultural Underwater Basket-Weaving Techniques Thoughout History as far as job prospects go. Probably explains why I became a chef. The pay and food are better than history professors can expect. My life experiences which include such varied endeavors as yacht delivery crew, and spending a winter in the New Mexican Rockies in a f*cking teepee playing Hippie-In-The-Boondocks were an interesting counterpoint to military service and college life. I also played music professionally for 5 years. I actually made a living at it 3 of those years. Concerning the other 2, the less said, the better.
Liberal Arts. Minor in History. Started as a Music... (show quote)


:thumbup: :thumbup:

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Jul 15, 2015 17:59:35   #
wuzblynd Loc: thomson georgia
 
KHH1 wrote:
Between the economy/economic policy, healthcare, wars/foreign policy, civil rights, supreme court decisions.....Pres. Obama has come through with flying colors...working Congress in the process...The Right knows this and it kills them...... :thumbup:


Iran Nuclear Deal Is Reached After Long Negotiations
By DAVID E. SANGER and MICHAEL R. GORDONJULY 14, 2015
VIENNA — Iran and a group of six nations led by the United States have agreed to a historic accord to significantly limit Tehran’s nuclear ability for more than a decade in return for lifting international oil and financial sanctions against Iran, a senior Western diplomat involved in the negotiations said on Tuesday.

The deal culminates 20 months of negotiations on a deal that President Obama had long sought as the biggest diplomatic achievement of his presidency.

A formal announcement of the agreement was expected later on Tuesday, when foreign ministers from Iran and the six nations it has been negotiating with will meet at a United Nations complex here in Vienna. Catherine Ray, a spokeswoman for the European Union, said a final plenary meeting of the six nations — the United States, Britain, France, Germany, China and Russia — will take place at 10:30 a.m. in Vienna, followed by a news conference, but she provided no further details.

Secretary of State John Kerry, second from left, meets with foreign ministers and delegations from Germany, France, China, Britain, Russia and the European Union on Monday in Vienna.Inching Near an Iran Nuclear Deal, Negotiators Go SilentJULY 13, 2015
Metallic seals like this one have long been used to prevent unauthorized access to nuclear equipment. New electronic and fiber-optic seals beam back confirmation that they remain intact.Awaiting Iran Deal, Nuclear Sleuths Gather Sophisticated ToolsJULY 6, 2015
Diplomats have declined to provide details until Secretary of State John Kerry and his Iranian counterpart, Mohammad Javad Zarif, speak at that event. Mr. Obama is expected to make a public statement in Washington, beginning a long process to sell the deal to Congress and the American public.
But the Western diplomat, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was discussing confidential talks, signaled that all of the main outstanding issues had been resolved, including the thorny question of how many years an embargo on conventional arms shipments into and out of Iran would remain in place.

The agreement and its annexes run more than 80 pages, Iranian officials say, outlining in painstaking detail how much nuclear fuel Iran can keep in the country for the next 15 years; what kind of research and development it can perform on centrifuges and other nuclear equipment; and the redesign of both a nuclear reactor and a deep-underground enrichment site that Israeli and American officials feared could be invulnerable to bombing.

But to strike the deal, Mr. Kerry and the other negotiators had to accept an understanding that essentially left in place most of Iran’s infrastructure at the country’s main nuclear sites, though much of it would be disassembled and put in storage. Iran is likely to cite that fact as evidence that it never gave in to the West’s demands that it dismantle its critical facilities.

Secretary of State John Kerry with foreign ministers and other delegates from the United States' negotiating partners in Vienna on Monday. Credit Pool photo by Carlos Barria
The agreement not to shutter Iran’s most advanced nuclear facilities is expected to be a focal point for critics in Congress, which now has 60 days to approve or reject the deal. Those critics have already complained that the deal being discussed would only delay the day when Iran would have the ability to build an atomic weapon.

The accord will be a political agreement, not a legally binding treaty.

Some restrictions limiting Iran’s program begin to phase out after 10 years. Then, after 15 years, Iran would be free to produce as much enriched uranium as it wanted. In theory, though, the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, to which Tehran is a signatory, would prevent it from taking the last steps to produce a weapon.
With the announcement of the accord, Mr. Obama has now made major strides toward fundamentally changing the American diplomatic relationships with three nations: Cuba, Iran and Myanmar. Of the three, Iran is the most strategically important, the only one with a nuclear program and still on the State Department’s list of state sponsors of terrorism.

Although some provisions, including the arms embargo, are expected to be especially contentious in Congress, Mr. Obama’s chances of ultimately prevailing are considered high. Even if the accord is voted down by one or both houses, he could veto that action, and he is likely to have the votes he would need to prevail in an effort to override the veto. But he has told aides that for an accord as important as this one — which he hopes will usher in a virtual truce with a country that has been a major American adversary for 35 years — he wants to win a congressional endorsement.

Mr. Obama will also have to manage the breach with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel and the leaders of Saudi Arabia and other Arab states who have warned against the deal, saying the relief of sanctions will ultimately empower the Iranians throughout the Middle East.

The announcement comes after years of sanctions and covert cyberattacks to disable Iran’s nuclear program, which Iranian leaders insist is only for peaceful purposes.

Mr. Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton, then the secretary of state, began the effort to reach an agreement on the nuclear program by sending aides on secret missions starting in 2012 to meet Iranian diplomats and explore the opening of talks, enraging Israeli officials who had been left in the dark.

A preliminary accord struck in 2013 temporarily froze much of Iran’s program and rolled back the production of a kind of fuel that was closest to bomb grade. The ensuing negotiations have been repeatedly extended and became Mr. Kerry’s single biggest mission. Once-rare American encounters with Iranian diplomats became routine. Along the way, Mr. Kerry has spent more hours with Mr. Zarif than with any other foreign minister.
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It ain't possible to be a bigger idot than u. Well maybe sad slob. But I dought it.

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Jul 15, 2015 18:02:41   #
KHH1
 
Loki wrote:
The Bush failure does not excuse that of Obama. Bear in mind that Bush had a hostile congress also. Your contention that one must be resolved before the other is specious, especially since the Obama deal does nothing to stop the nuclear tap dance that Iran is currently performing with North Korea. If anything, Obama has exacerbated the Bush mistakes.


No....there are no excuses to be made....W did nothing...N. Korea has nukes and threatened the US..Obama did something......Iran has none and cooperated to an agreement...how do you think you all can logically compare the two? One is a good thing and the other is a bad thing, relatively speaking...and that is why I always stress academia....because it is the one place where thinking is not allowed to defy logic and pass muster.....If W had performed his job, there would not even be a tap dance for you to reference.........

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