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Oct 18, 2013 13:09:17   #
Dave Loc: Upstate New York
 
Confused wrote:
Look at the voting RECORD of Paul Ryan . Some people do research .
Do you need to replay the media tapes ? Yes , Republican economic guru , Paul Ryan , served on the Simpson / Bowles Commission and immediately voted AGAINST IT because it closed tax loopholes . Revenue increases .
You can expect the Republicans to continue there long standing of protecting tax loopholes to the wealthiest among us . The Koch brothers and Exxon do .
Cantor , for lack of political correctness , is a hedge fund stooge known for his lunches with the managers and has been a leader in the effort TO STALL WALL ST. REFORM ... Because of people like Eric Cantor the " too big to fail " banks are BIGGER than ever and with Glass / Steagal gone they invent new " financial instruments " every year .
Both men cow tow to the banking lobbyists .
Another subject for you to research ...
Look at the voting RECORD of Paul Ryan . Some peop... (show quote)


"they had the full support of all Republicans" - do you even realize you wrote that?

As to bankers, do you know who Jamie Dimon is? How about Rubin? Ever hear of Corzine? These are all dyed in the wool what?

Knowing pieces of facts is what is described as minimally informed.

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Oct 19, 2013 00:29:44   #
Quizzal Loc: TN
 
Dummy Boy - Your parents are very blessed that they have several means of income and I truly hope that they have a good return for their payments made into SS. I only have the one means of SS that is paid to me and continue praying from month to month that I can make all of required payments in order to live.
If the government takes away my SS, I then have to have my family support me. That is not fair. I am 70 years old, disabled, and sometimes in a wheelchair. I cannot work. My income would be $0.

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Oct 19, 2013 19:00:20   #
Confused
 
jasfourth401 wrote:
They counted for the sixty years it ran a surplus. Now, however, it runs a 170 billion deficit every year. It runs out of money in 2033. Then benefits will be cut roughly 25% unless contributions are increased. Lifting the cap on earnings is one approach as you note. Means testing benefits is another. Reining in the COLA is another. But social security is peanuts. The big one is medicare. That one has projected liabilities of 73 trillion. That one single program is going to bankrupt us unless we deal with it head on.
They counted for the sixty years it ran a surplus.... (show quote)


What would you do if your banker " means tested " and took your money ?

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Oct 19, 2013 20:04:18   #
kegler299 Loc: Aurora, Il.
 
Simple math: SS deduction times 2 (employer matches) factor in SS interest annually and after over 50 years of work I would receive almost three times what I get. Where does the rest go? To programs that buy votes for our congressmen! Had even a small portion of the stolen money been used to let the fund grow we would now not need to even have a SS tax!

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Oct 20, 2013 01:34:47   #
Quizzal Loc: TN
 
kegler299 - I totally agree with you. If the government would just quit using our money for their interests, SS would be a whole lot better off. They use our money for whatever they want and then tell us "Sorry, you don't have anything left now." That is stealing. They continue to do this and don't care of the people.

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Oct 20, 2013 06:12:56   #
Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan
 
Quizzal wrote:
Dummy Boy - Your parents are very blessed that they have several means of income and I truly hope that they have a good return for their payments made into SS. I only have the one means of SS that is paid to me and continue praying from month to month that I can make all of required payments in order to live.
If the government takes away my SS, I then have to have my family support me. That is not fair. I am 70 years old, disabled, and sometimes in a wheelchair. I cannot work. My income would be $0.
Dummy Boy - Your parents are very blessed that the... (show quote)


Hello Quizzal, my very point is that you should receive more benefits. My parents do not need the money, it is not my opinion that SS was set up for those who have financial means. The original intention was to provide support for those that can no longer provide for themselves. I have been challenged by several people on this sight in that: who determines financial means? I can share with you numerous cases of people who don't need it, which for whatever reason doesn't matter to the detractors, in their mind, it is the principal of the thing attitude.

Also, it's interesting that you don't want to be a burden to your children, but you're more than happy to be a burden to society. My personal burden is that I loose $15,000 in income a year, which if I invested and saved could: 1) put all 3 of my boys through college or training schools 2) ensure that I will be financially independent 3) and spend money in the economy, such as food, and vehicles. Instead, we have to economize in these areas. My parents replace their vehicles every 2 to 3 years. I get to drive around in a vehicle for 8 to 10 years. Does that seem fair?

Our current Federal budget of entitlement spending is unsustainable-meaning cuts will be coming! I am going to attach some articles for you to read, enjoy!







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Oct 20, 2013 08:47:50   #
pixie
 
Quizzal wrote:
kegler299 - I totally agree with you. If the government would just quit using our money for their interests, SS would be a whole lot better off. They use our money for whatever they want and then tell us "Sorry, you don't have anything left now." That is stealing. They continue to do this and don't care of the people.


you are exactly right! :thumbup:

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Oct 20, 2013 09:41:05   #
Confused
 
pixie wrote:
you are exactly right! :thumbup:


So you propose that a worker who has paid into S.S. and worked hard and made a success should have their money taken from them because some use a catchy phrase of " means testing " ? WHY ?
If you invest in the stock market are the dividends shared according to the number of shares or do they give the investors with less more ? Does your banker means test and give your money to the less fortunate ? Bad enough the government gives the hard workers money to the rich in the form of tax loopholes and now this ...
If your mom and dad don't need the money then ask them to share , don't plot to take it ...

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Oct 20, 2013 09:52:09   #
Artemis
 
You had me until the last sentence. Clearly throughout this administration, their desire has been to keep SS in tact. It is continually the opposing party who just can't leave it alone. Do you recall when Bush wanted to put it into the stock market? We see what would have happened than.
RWhiteRN wrote:
In reply to Quizzal on the subject of federal pirating of the Social Security Trust. The unfortunate truth is that the masters of smoke and mirrors, without regard to purported political affiliation, cannot stand to see resources sit idle. The intent of the Social Security system was to afford survival funds for those Americans who are unable, resulting from advanced age or disability, to have the meager existence that such resources can supply. As America is a Republic loosely based upon democratic principles, the effect of the election process weighs heavily upon the distribution of resources. If one researches the structure of the national debt one will find the bulk of the publicly held portion of that debt is held by various retirement fund trusts, such as the Social Security Trust. This nation's "esteemed" leaders would have the public believe that Social Security is an entitlement or welfare program rather than a subsistence which is levied as a payroll deduction or forced retirement program throughout ones working lifetime. The thought train offered by the government leadership is that the multitudes who have paid into the trust for decades should not receive any return on funds taken on the pretense of return when one can no longer pay in.
In reply to Quizzal on the subject of federal pira... (show quote)

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Oct 20, 2013 10:00:44   #
jetson
 
In the sixties, news articles stated, SS would be gone by the time I became eligible for it. Odd, still here. If the feds would stop borrowing, from it for other bills or should I say stealing from, it would support itself.... Think of all the people who die before they reach the age to draw a dime. That money is there. Even if they give a few dollars a month to his widow and children, if he had children.. But today many women are working and would not qualify for it if they made to much income of their own. She would never, draw off her spouse's SS. She would draw more off her own, unless her spouse's income was a much greater than hers.

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Oct 20, 2013 10:16:51   #
Artemis
 
[quote=RWhiteRN]Confused, and others posting on this thread; the only consideration one need make is the fact that the Social Security trust holds more of the national debt than the top two foreign investor nations (China and Japan) combined. America would benefit greatly from a stoppage of playing the part of World police force and perhaps curtailing the blank check defense (The ability to project overwhelming military power anywhere on the globe) spending. I guess that 60 plus years of $400 billion per year mean spending is not enough. Zero spoils of war for $25.2 trillion seems a bit like a waste of money, oh my bad it is the old, poor, and disabled that are breaking this nation, right. If one is concerned about fraud and waste one may care to scrutinize civilian defense contractors.[/


too-she
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Oct 20, 2013 10:22:45   #
Artemis
 
Confused wrote:
Since when did they adopt the phrase of teabagger as homophobic . I guess that is another part of the gay agenda to redefine the English language as they see fit . Absolutely pathetic ... First off , the TEA Party as they called themselves was Taxed Enough Already . A definition that needed no interpretation . Secondly I will assume for the sake of argument , since you brought it up , that you are referring to a sexual act that needs no defining . That particular act has been around for a very long time and as a straight recipient I can say is very enjoyable . Yea , girls do it too ... Who's " phobic " now ?
Keep your comments on topic so this site doesn't turn into another Yahoo answers ...
The TEA Party has been hijacked and set off course by the Koch money and the stupidity of a single issue stopping the ACA . Koch bought and paid for the Cruzade because one thing any Koch wants off the table is HIS government subsidies in the form off huge tax loopholes . Hopefuilly the TEA Party can find someone without the baggage of Cruz , Lee , Bachmann , et al whose only cause is publicity and the diversion of the Koch message and get back to the original intent OF CLOSING TAX LOOPHOLES that are currently $ 2.8 trillion a year that rob the treasury of " We The People " . I as an Independent surely would support such serious effort . Why people don't stand up and demand a proposal such as Simpson / Bowles is a mystery politically . We don't need to change the Constitution and their diversion of a balanced budget amendment , we need to change Washington ...
Since when did they adopt the phrase of teabagger... (show quote)


Confused, you are not :thumbup:

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Oct 20, 2013 10:27:45   #
Artemis
 
Dave wrote:
You have no idea why the % is important? What if it were a hundred %? What would it mean if it were 0.05%? (40% of children made poor choices being born?)

Anderson Cooper, before he came out, used that snide slur to describe honest American citizens that he wanted to insult. If you don't know that, so be it, but that is the origin of using that particular intended insult for the Taxed Enough Already supporters.

I, too, am straight - and I did not start this - a gay liberal did.

The idea that the Koch brothers have hijacked the tea party movement has no more validity that the allegation that Soros hijacked the Obama movement. Both are mindless attempts to keep people from thinking of issues and focusing on personalities and envy.

As an independent I too support Simpson-Bowles - and let's remember who has the most responsibility to advance such ideas - the president who asked them to make the recommendations, not the Koch Brothers (or Soros).
You have no idea why the % is important? What if i... (show quote)


Dave you are completely wrong, it is very easy to research the political manipulations of the Koch bothers, and what they "invest" in, and not only who they support but who they put into place, wake up.

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Oct 20, 2013 10:35:10   #
AnnMarie Loc: Madison, Wi
 
Quizzal wrote:
Why must the government always put the topic of "Social Security" as one of their main topics about cutting finances? They should not have anything at all to do with what belongs to any senior person at all. We need a separate business (or whatever) to handle everything for social security and the federal government needs "HANDS OFF" completely. Their finances should be handled by the income tax received only and nothing more. The government has no right to continually throw social security in our face all of the time. Social security belongs to all of the seniors who have paid in it for years and years - not the federal government.
Why must the government always put the topic of &q... (show quote)


Well, the repugs are going to demand reductions in entitlement spending, social security payments in exchange for reductions in military spending. So..if you want to protect social security, you better start voting democratic. Repugs are the ones that want to make medicare a voucher, and chain CPI so social security payments go up much more slowly. In exchange, the repugs want cut tax cuts for the rich and to keep buying bombers. That is the grand bargain-seniors gettting less money and billionaires get tax breaks, all why we spend more on the military than the next 12 largest military spending countries combined. Yeah, you tea baggers, those repubs have your best interests at heart.

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Oct 20, 2013 10:36:26   #
Artemis
 
Dummy Boy wrote:
What did you pay into S.S.? What are you owed? The average recipient paid in far less than their entitlement. I'm not suggesting that it is fair, but what is unfair are those who have no need for such benefits due to other income "streams". Each department needs to offer real savings. The SSA needs to start negotiating those benefits-look at this way, sounds to me like you need more money. Why should my parents receive that same amount of money, in that, he has 3 other income streams? How is that fair to you. The social security administration has misused these funds long enough and it needs to stop.
What did you pay into S.S.? What are you owed? T... (show quote)


Right on, but you are a rarity in your line of thinking, unfortunately. Most I believe would feel.. if they paid into it they want to see their money back.

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