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Jun 8, 2015 12:50:49   #
missinglink Loc: Tralfamadore
 
The hook. Some one get the hook and get this guy off-stage. :lol:

America Only wrote:
I hope you get a laugh of this...but they want cake when they are all experts in making fudge...(ewww...I know..I know...lolololol) HA!



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Jun 8, 2015 13:09:53   #
PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Hey there!

I think that the medication would address the physical issues....the mental side would need years of care. And for those who wake up and decide they want to be homosexual, well I think that is a mental choice and unrelated to a biological issue. I think those people are looking for acceptance, perhaps due to physical limitations or appearance. But, what if this cure works? How many would be willing to be straight? One in 10 or less. I am betting that not many would take the cure because they are happy being different, wanting to be different is a choice and negates the claim that they were born homosexual. And if that is the case, then again it is a mental choice and nothing they are born with. So bottom-line, if there was a cure and a person refused the medication, then does their homosexuality become a mental issue? Should a person make the choice not to be cured, then would that end their equal treatment claims? Could a bakery then decline service?
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Your language reveals your intentions Pennylynn. Homosexuality is not a disease so the use of "cured" is inappropriate. "Change" is the more appropriate word for what this supposed drug would do.

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Jun 8, 2015 13:30:53   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
You are hypersensitive, you are reading intent where there is none. The individual is not "changed" they are simply genetically rearranged so their predisposition to their own sex is re-sequenced to match their physical form. Is that a modification, a cure, or a change. It does not matter what qualifier you use, the end result is the same. Those individual who will be treated will be realigned to match their physical appearance.

I did not expect, nor do the scientist, that most homosexuals will see this as an opportunity. But, for mothers who are expecting, this is an opportunity to correct an error in the gene. To provide their child with medical treatment which will eliminate the hardships placed on their child or children. It is simply gene therapy. I also expect other therapies to come from this, such as diabetes, alcoholism, kleptomania, manic depression to name only a few. All of these have associated engaged genes that could be broken. And can be done in vitro. But, with this..... one could raise the argument that we are moving toward "designer" children. Have we simply built on experimentation from the 1930s? And should we tamper with an unborn child? And if all expectant mothers elect to have their children realigned, will the current 1 percent of the population be eliminated within two generations?? Do homosexuals serve a purpose in nature? We must approach the subject unemotional, see the end results. Not as a personal affront, but clinical. Will this new therapy make the world better and people happier or not?

PaulPisces wrote:
Your language reveals your intentions Pennylynn. Homosexuality is not a disease so the use of "cured" is inappropriate. "Change" is the more appropriate word for what this supposed drug would do.

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Jun 8, 2015 14:23:32   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
PaulPisces wrote:
Your language reveals your intentions Pennylynn. Homosexuality is not a disease so the use of "cured" is inappropriate. "Change" is the more appropriate word for what this supposed drug would do.


If a same sex attraction is caused primarily by a damaged genetic thread, repairing the thread is a medical cure for the damage. would you think the same thing if a drug addiction could be repaired that easily, or an impulse toward self mutilation.? If a simple genetic repair could cure epilepsy, or even a severe stuttering would you object to it because the stuttering was part of the person and should be left alone. Personally I doubt that a genetic repair would solve the entire issue, but it is possibly worth a try.would you be appalled if it was suggested as a cure for those adults who were sexually attracted to ten year old children? Why is this form of deviant sexual attraction so special and holy to you that you feel threatened by the suggestion that if it is a form of genetic damage and could be repaired it should be fixed? Is your "Gay Identity" so fragile that you feel threatened by something that is not likely to happen for years, and would probably never be performed, even on a voluntary basis on adults?

Please remember that it is a deviant sexual attraction because it deviates from the norm. Used that way the term is not judgmental, as you know,

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Jun 8, 2015 16:02:47   #
Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan
 
Pennylynn wrote:
I was talking to a friend who says that there are a group of scientists who are close to disclosing a drug, a vaccine to both prevent and cure homosexuality. If you are gay, would you take the drug? If you are a woman, would you give the vaccine to your new born child?

I do not want to get into the religious aspects of God's intention. I am rather looking for your thoughts, if you could be "cured" would you and if you knew your child had the "gene" would you provide them with medication to change or put that gene to sleep. We all have genes that are sleeping, or broken. http://www.livescience.com/18518-humans-broken-genes.html Cancer genes, dependency (for drugs) that show a predisposition, and others.
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This is very interesting. However, what are the side affects or risks?

Would it fix children born with both organs? I think this a stupid question, since their sexuality is a 50/50 chance....but how would you fix that and wouldn't a hermaphrodite prove there is no such thing as being mentally one sex or another?

How would such a cure be viewed by the gay community? Is there a mind/gene connection? Would it be suppressed by both straights and gays?

Aren't there more important cures?

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Jun 8, 2015 16:03:50   #
Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan
 
no propaganda please wrote:
If a same sex attraction is caused primarily by a damaged genetic thread, repairing the thread is a medical cure for the damage. would you think the same thing if a drug addiction could be repaired that easily, or an impulse toward self mutilation.? If a simple genetic repair could cure epilepsy, or even a severe stuttering would you object to it because the stuttering was part of the person and should be left alone. Personally I doubt that a genetic repair would solve the entire issue, but it is possibly worth a try.would you be appalled if it was suggested as a cure for those adults who were sexually attracted to ten year old children? Why is this form of deviant sexual attraction so special and holy to you that you feel threatened by the suggestion that if it is a form of genetic damage and could be repaired it should be fixed? Is your "Gay Identity" so fragile that you feel threatened by something that is not likely to happen for years, and would probably never be performed, even on a voluntary basis on adults?

Please remember that it is a deviant sexual attraction because it deviates from the norm. Used that way the term is not judgmental, as you know,
If a same sex attraction is caused primarily by a ... (show quote)


They are working on a vaccine for addiction. I was under the impression it was a long way from being viable.

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Jun 8, 2015 16:07:42   #
Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan
 
PaulPisces wrote:
Your language reveals your intentions Pennylynn. Homosexuality is not a disease so the use of "cured" is inappropriate. "Change" is the more appropriate word for what this supposed drug would do.


Paul, one has to consider the possibility of genetic coding error, since it is not genetically viable for any organism to be solely attracted to the same sex. Strictly from biological, procreative aspect...since it would disarm the human race from propagating. As much time as we suppress sex in our society, the purpose of sex is procreation. The pleasure derived from it is superfluous.

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Jun 8, 2015 16:09:18   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
Dummy Boy wrote:
They are working on a vaccine for addiction. I was under the impression it was a long way from being viable.


It probably is, but if something can be helpful while not damaging the person in other ways, sounds great. Keep in mind that all those behavior problems go past just being biological and therefore none of them will work on their own, but while improving the character and moral strength of the person, a vaccine that would help remove the desire would be great.

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Jun 8, 2015 16:10:11   #
Nickolai
 
America Only wrote:
Hello there Kiddo! I am not sure about what the outcome of this would be, but you know most Homosexuals will tell you they were born as they are...but...let me state, Dance Therapist (or what ever her name here on OPP is) claims she now has a "girlfriend" as she just now discovered she liked woman after having one kiss her.....so now you can see these out right claims about not having a choice is BUNK!






The kiss probably awakened a long suppressed desire. I know a man back in the day that married a women to hide in the closet and keep up the appearance of normalcy only to keep up the preferred life style and eventually die of aids In his 40's

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Jun 8, 2015 16:23:18   #
Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan
 
no propaganda please wrote:
It probably is, but if something can be helpful while not damaging the person in other ways, sounds great. Keep in mind that all those behavior problems go past just being biological and therefore none of them will work on their own, but while improving the character and moral strength of the person, a vaccine that would help remove the desire would be great.


How does that apply to someone with an autoimmune disease? My wife has MS and her moral character was unaffected by the treatment; which by the way has been very successful.

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Jun 8, 2015 17:48:55   #
PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco
 
Dummy Boy wrote:
Paul, one has to consider the possibility of genetic coding error, since it is not genetically viable for any organism to be solely attracted to the same sex. Strictly from biological, procreative aspect...since it would disarm the human race from propagating. As much time as we suppress sex in our society, the purpose of sex is procreation. The pleasure derived from it is superfluous.


I can't argue with your theory about the propagation of the species Dummy Boy, but it doesn't apply here. We're not talking about anything pervasive in humans; over recorded history homosexuality has remained evident in only a very small percentage of the population. Besides, homosexual attraction has no impact on the actual ability to procreate. Gay people have been mating and making babies for a long time, just not with each other.

This is much more an effort to eradicate a socially undesirable trait, like being red-headed or left-handed. I'd think society would be better served by looking for a genetic cause for closed-mindedness.

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Jun 9, 2015 07:58:29   #
Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan
 
PaulPisces wrote:

This is much more an effort to eradicate a socially undesirable trait, like being red-headed or left-handed. I'd think society would be better served by looking for a genetic cause for closed-mindedness.


touche or good one :D

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Jun 9, 2015 08:17:56   #
Theo Loc: Within 1000 miles of Tampa, Florida
 
Pennylynn wrote:
I do not want to get into the religious aspects of God's intention.


There was no "religious aspect" to the destruction of Sodom, Gomorrah, PharPhar, and Admah. If homosexual behavior was being stipulated as an "expression of love for the gods" then I would agree it was for religious purpose.

But scripture did not make such a nonsense statement. There never was a "religious aspect" involved until debaters of the "Scholarly" variety decided to make it a religious issue.

In the old testament, God made commandments to the Hebrew nation, not for the world. The fact that he destroyed seven nations for their immoral behavior does not make it a religious issue, but emphasizes the fact that secular behavior can have consequences that can involve religious outcomes. Israel was given the territory previously inhabited by those seven nations. Israel was told to not emulate the behavior of the previous inhabitants. That in no way is a reflection of "the religious aspect of God's intention."

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Jun 9, 2015 08:25:06   #
amvaap
 
I read the article and there is NO evidence that homosexuality is genetic. So, if you're saying that science is on the verge of discovering a drug that reverses CHOICE , then I would take it and perhaps I wouldn't eat as much fried greasy food..
Pennylynn wrote:
I was talking to a friend who says that there are a group of scientists who are close to disclosing a drug, a vaccine to both prevent and cure homosexuality. If you are gay, would you take the drug? If you are a woman, would you give the vaccine to your new born child?

I do not want to get into the religious aspects of God's intention. I am rather looking for your thoughts, if you could be "cured" would you and if you knew your child had the "gene" would you provide them with medication to change or put that gene to sleep. We all have genes that are sleeping, or broken. http://www.livescience.com/18518-humans-broken-genes.html Cancer genes, dependency (for drugs) that show a predisposition, and others.
I was talking to a friend who says that there are ... (show quote)

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Jun 9, 2015 08:28:18   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
PaulPisces wrote:
I can't argue with your theory about the propagation of the species Dummy Boy, but it doesn't apply here. We're not talking about anything pervasive in humans; over recorded history homosexuality has remained evident in only a very small percentage of the population. Besides, homosexual attraction has no impact on the actual ability to procreate. Gay people have been mating and making babies for a long time, just not with each other.

This is much more an effort to eradicate a socially undesirable trait, like being red-headed or left-handed. I'd think society would be better served by looking for a genetic cause for closed-mindedness.
I can't argue with your theory about the propagati... (show quote)


As predicted by No propaganda please, Paul, your posts are remarkably lucid and valid in their content. You are an excellent spokesman.

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