Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

I was talking to a friend who says that there are a group of scientists who are close to disclosing a drug, a v*****e to both prevent and cure homosexuality. If you are gay, would you take the drug? If you are a woman, would you give the v*****e to your new born child?

I do not want to get into the religious aspects of God's intention. I am rather looking for your thoughts, if you could be "cured" would you and if you knew your child had the "gene" would you provide them with medication to change or put that gene to sleep. We all have genes that are sleeping, or broken. http://www.livescience.com/18518-humans-broken-genes.html Cancer genes, dependency (for drugs) that show a predisposition, and others.

Obama

there could never be such a treatment. But if anything could be done to properly bathe the developing embryo in the proper drugs and hormones you better believe I would do it.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

According to the person I was talking to, a neo-surgeon who is a pediatrician, he says that the "cure" is in the final trials and it is 100 percent. It puts a specific gene associated with homosexuality to sleep. And he says that the drug for babies is a inhibitor put directly into the umbilical cord of the forming baby. A one dose shot. They, according to my friend, have been working on this for over 20 years. Allowing primates time to mature and those apes have shown no drug related issues. For mature individuals, it is a series of shots, but in the end the person no longer prefers their own sex. Again, this has been tested on apes and now is starting human trials.

America Only Loc: From the right hand of God

Hello there Kiddo! I am not sure about what the outcome of this would be, but you know most Homosexuals will tell you they were born as they are...but...let me state, Dance Therapist (or what ever her name here on OPP is) claims she now has a "girlfriend" as she just now discovered she liked woman after having one kiss her.....so now you can see these out right claims about not having a choice is BUNK!

America Only Loc: From the right hand of God

No "pun" intended ...lol but so you are saying this will keep the homosexuals from wanting to "monkey around" with each other? LOL!

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

The L***Q activists would be against using any treatment for homosexuality, if such a cure were found. After all it would be threatening to their entire rights campaign. I am assuming that what you are referring to is within the field of epigenetics( pardon spelling) which field has much promise in helping drug addicts, alcoholics and other behavioral problems. Is there any source that i could look at that might be helpful? If so please PM me. thanks.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Hey there!

I think that the medication would address the physical issues....the mental side would need years of care. And for those who wake up and decide they want to be homosexual, well I think that is a mental choice and unrelated to a biological issue. I think those people are looking for acceptance, perhaps due to physical limitations or appearance. But, what if this cure works? How many would be willing to be straight? One in 10 or less. I am betting that not many would take the cure because they are happy being different, wanting to be different is a choice and negates the claim that they were born homosexual. And if that is the case, then again it is a mental choice and nothing they are born with. So bottom-line, if there was a cure and a person refused the medication, then does their homosexuality become a mental issue? Should a person make the choice not to be cured, then would that end their equal treatment claims? Could a bakery then decline service?

America Only Loc: From the right hand of God

I hope you get a laugh of this...but they want cake when they are all experts in making fudge...(ewww...I know..I know...lolololol) HA!

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

Even if it were available, I would guess adults who define themselves first as "Gay" and the the other parts of their identity are less important, would never want to change. they are proud and perhaps the promiscuity that the"lifestyle" celebrates would not encourage them to wish to change. If you were talking about children who are starting to feel as if they might be same sex attracted, probably most would welcome the cure. For the same reason that L***Q fight tooth and nails against any therapy of young people to help them remove unwanted same sex attraction, they would outlaw this treatment if it might help some people become opposite sex attracted.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

I tend to agree with you. I wonder, will any of the homosexuals on OPP have the guts to respond to this topic.

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

It could be interesting. A lucid answer would be expected from Paul, the rest would just spew their garbage as usual.

this article on the subject shows promise Apparently the blog is by a L***Q youth sight so some check into validity might be in order, but interesting nevertheless.



Youth Blog – Gay Biology: Does Epigenetics Cause Homosexuality?
Posted on September 19th, by Greg in Featured, Youth Blog. No Comments

Colorful double helix illustrationNear the end of last year a scientific article by Rice, Friberg, and Gavrilets [1] led to media reports that epigenetic markers cause homosexuality [2, 3]. So what are epigenetic markers? And do they really cause homosexuality?

What are Epigenetic Markers?

Genes provide the instructions for creating proteins, which are responsible for how we are made and how we develop. However, they do not operate in a vacuum. Our biology and our environment can change how much of a protein our genes make.

Epigenetics refers to chemical changes that alter the protein production of a gene without changing the genetic code itself. Epigenetic markers attach to a gene and can make that gene produce either more or less of a protein. Biologist Jeremy Yoder compares epigenetic markers to notes in the genetic code like notes in the margins of a book that might change how you read it. In theory, unlike genes, epigenetic markers aren’t supposed to get passed on from one generation to the next, but sometimes they do.

How Can Epigenetic Markers Cause Homosexuality?

Rice and his colleagues think that epigenetic markers may be important for ultimately determining who we’re attracted to when we are still just a developing embryo. It’s believed that epigenetic markers from the previous generation are erased early in an embryo’s development and that we take on new epigenetic markers. However, researchers Morgan and Whitelaw found that not all of the markers from our parents get erased [4]! Rice and his fellow researchers theorize that homosexuality may be caused when fathers accidently pass on their epigenetic markers that made them attracted to women to their daughters and mothers pass on their epigenetic markers that made them attracted to men to their sons.

Do Epigenetics Actually Cause Homosexuality?

The short answer is maybe. Many in the media jumped the gun by making it sound like this theory had been confirmed. In t***h, Rice and his team were only proposing a theory that makes sense with the research that’s out there, but it hasn’t been tested yet. The good news is, like most good theories, it can be tested! In the next few years we may know if and how epigenetics might be involved in the origins of homosexuality.

If you want to learn more, read what biologists Jon Wilkins and Jeremy Yoder have to say about Rice, Friberg, and Gavrilets’ paper.

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References:

1. Homosexuality as a Consequence of Epigenetically Canalized Sexual Development William R. Rice, Urban Friberg and Sergey Gavrilets The Quarterly Review of Biology , Vol. 87, No. 4 (December 2012), pp. 343-368.

2. http://thinkprogress.org/l**t/2012/12/11/1318311/study-finds-biological-causes-for-homosexuality/

3. http://io9.com/5967426/scientists-confirm-that-homosexuality-is-not-genetic–but-it-arises-in-the-womb

4. Morgan, D. K., & Whitelaw, E. (2008). The case for t***sgenerational epigenetic inheritance in humans. Mamm Genome, 19, 394-397. Doi: 10.1007/s00335-008-9124-y

CowboyMilt

How did they know whether or not an Ape was gay? Duh!

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Well, they have gene mapping and it has been suspected for many years that traits of humans (and apes being so close to human) are linked to specific genes. In fact some of the data was made available a few years ago. Now these scientist, having the map, selected primates based on that gene. Accordingly, those apes showed either homosexual tendencies or bisexual. When treated, the apes showed only heterosexual preferences. Therefore, it all goes back to gene mapping where they have discovered that the average human has over 100 broken genes. And they determined that if they break a particular gene then after reintroduction into primate population, not only did the apes show no predisposition (even when same sex animals were available that the "gay" gene intact and approached) to homosexual behavior and reproduced "normal" off spring. The data appears promising.

dennisimoto Loc: Washington State (West)

So far a good discussion overall. Someone discovered that the drug Naltrexone blocks the receptors in the brain that (ethyl) alcohol goes to. Even an alcoholic can drink large quantities of alcohol and have no effects from it whatsoever. It has been referred to as a "cure" for alcoholism. The problem with this alcoholic is that "the effect produced by alcohol," is exactly what I was after! It's what kept bringing me back despite all of the negative consequences associated with its use. So Naltrexone doesn't cure alcoholism, it just interferes with the effect of alcohol on the brain. Take away the drug and I match the bumper sticker that says, "Instant A$$hole, just add alcohol."

If someone showed up with a pill and said, "Take one of these and you will be cured of alcoholism." I have to remember that I'm the guy who would say, "Hmmm, if one pill could do that, I wonder what two pills would do?"

PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

I think you all know that my answer would be a resounding "no". I have no reason to want to erase such an integral part of my identity that has brought me so much joy, love and connection to a wonderful community.

I am suspect of the process though. There certainly have been very loud voices on OPP saying there is no proof that sexual orientation is genetic, so it's a little surprising to see those same voices advocating for this "therapy".

I have always maintained that, genetically caused or personal choice, being gay is not inherently a bad thing.