rhomin57 Loc: Far Northern CA.

The Trinity: This is not a word found in the Holy Bible. However, it is the word used to describe God, the Holy Spirit, and Jesus Christ, as being one in the same.
God is the creator of all life, and he is a spirit, John 4:24. The Holy Spirit is the consciousness of God that visits T***h and Righteousness upon those he chooses. Jesus Christ is the Son of God, but has always been.
When Abraham was visited by the Three Angels regarding Sodom and Gomorrah, only two angels showed up in the town. The Third was Jesus Christ not born yet, but the image God took when visiting his people in Old Testament, like the ancient King of Salem (Melchezidec Priest), that met with Abraham as well.
Our Spiritual God dwells in the immortal body now of Jesus Christ as he reigns in Heaven, and the Holy Spirit is given by God, through Jesus Christ. We call them "the Trinity" because they are the Same, and in one body now, that of Immortal Jesus Christ. It is a very high Celestial Name. The Trinity

straightUp Loc: California

I'm sorry rhomin... but Daniel Pearl, bless him, is NOT America's first victim of gross, savage vicious cruelty! Americans have been horribly victimized throughout our entire history. Americans have been beaten, stabbed, raped, tortured, beheaded, dismembered and even eaten by other Americans. And frequently, the attacker says he or she was told to do it by God. Fact is, these people are crazy. And so are the Muslim extremists that you refer too. Their proclaimed connection to God or Islam is usually no more genuine than the proclaimed connections to God that these criminals I am referring to claim.

Religion is often used as an excuse or as an endorsement for actions taken by vicious people. In fact, the first terrorist attack on American soil was September 11... 1857! A wagon train of settlers... men, women AND children were slaughtered by people who called themselves Christians in what is now referred to as the Mountain Meadows Massacre.

Look, I embrace the teachings of Christ including His views on tolerance and forgiveness that so many "conservative" aligning churches have conveniently filtered out. But I whole-heartedly reject this insane notion that we are in the throes of a battle between Christians and Muslims. Not only is that a deceitful idea, but it's exactly what Jesus taught us NOT to fall into. It's destructive and it creates hatred among people. I'm afraid you're following Satan on this one, not Jesus. I'll pray for you.

Armageddun Loc: The show me state

Want a shock? Go to your search engine and type in, what is progressive; process theology. This is what is creeping in even mainstream Christianity. It's time to get right with God. The real God.

rhomin57 Loc: Far Northern CA.

I was not referring to "ALL" of history, just to the beginning of the war between Islam and America that initially started on 9//11/01. The Spiritual War as to who reigns in America, Jesus Christ, or Muhammad. Daniel Pearl was the first civilian death cry that this war is upon us.
How up are you news wise on how largely spread Islam is in America? and growing.

straightUp Loc: California

I am aware that Islam is spreading. I work with a few Muslims... good people. I am however not aware of how Islam in America is a problem.

As for the so-called "war" between Islam and America - I think a more accurate description would be the cultural assault on Muslims by perpetrators of systematic hatred and exclusion. Thank God we Americans have a strong constitution to hold back the rabid dogs - and yes, I am referring to the ones waving the stars and stripes and calling themselves Christians. The rabid dogs living in Afghan caves apparently don't have the same leashes, which is a problem I understand.

...and I understand your reactions to the terrorists that hit us on 9/11/01... and to the terrorists that took Pearl. They were terrorists! But to target an entire faith..? There are 1.5 billion Muslims in the world. They're not all rabid dogs. So are ya still gonna cover them all with h**e?

rhomin57 Loc: Far Northern CA.

If Islamic terrorists were ever to succeed in taking down America, do you believe that our Muslims would go down with this country- or stand up and above us with Islam. I watch all the bombings since 9/11, and all the failed bombings and attacks on America since then. I see and read of Muslims wanting to bring in their Islamic religion as government to areas they live in here. To replace our Swearing into a political office with a Koran instead of our Holy Bible. I see thousand of Christians being murdered in Islamic Countries, and I can't believe this is happening in todays world. I read of Islamic husbands and fathers decapitating their wives, and murdering their children here in America all in the name of Islam.
I see this as a threat to my country, and believe every word of our Holy Bible prophecies, and read it very well.
I don't care what you think. This is Christian Country, where it was born into freedom, and the millions of Christians in this country aim to keep it that way.

You obviously don't have or know what spiritual Faith is, because I said "War on Faith." Just be sure you get what I wrote this time- straight.

rhomin57 Loc: Far Northern CA.

The New Testament has been around for 2000 years. The Old Testament even longer.
I'm suppose to be moved by what you've wrote, and your how old compared to the Length of time the Bible has been with us? I'll stick with what the Bible tells me, not progressive process theology.
The Holy Bible, the Word of God, is true and unfolding everyday. Whether people believe that or not, it is still very True.

Armageddun Loc: The show me state

Amen...

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larry

You need to turn your glass around, and see it from their viewpoint. They constantly issue mandates (fatwas) directing all muslims to destroy all christians. It is like dealing with a snake, you can't reason with something bent on k*****g you with no warning or reasonable explanation.

straightUp Loc: California

"They"? Who are "They" larry? You don't even know. You think "They" is the entire Islamic population. You think "They" is the entire Islamic doctrine.

You don't think I see those declarations of war? Of course I do. I'm just not so filled up with hatred and ignorance that I can't see it for what it is - small groups of terrorists trying to gain support through the d********g exploitation of a popular faith.

At least if I was given a gun and a mission to combat these people I would know to seek them out. You and rhomin57 on the other hand would just start shooting any Muslim you see... man, woman or child - the d********g bigots that you both are.

straightUp Loc: California

Oh, I got it straight... You make the picture very clear.

And you can hallucinate all you want but this is a SECULAR nation. Most of the people that live here call themselves Christian - that's all. The First Amendment is a promise that the government won't interfere with anyone's faith or their freedom to practice any religion they want - that's what makes it secular. People like you who want to exclude any other religions are exactly what the Puritans were escaping from when they came to this country.

You are incapable of dealing with the horrific events that you refer to. Instead of trying to understand the enemy, which is the best way to defeat them, you make things worse by joining them and spreading more hatred around. Even worse... the people you associate with have perverted the teachings of Christ. The only passion you have in your condemned soul is h**e and THAT is why you feel so intense about these terrorists - because you are right there with them in spirit. Close to them in the devil's waiting room. May God have mercy on you.

I shall not discuss this further with you. It makes me sick and you are so far down the path of evil I am afraid that I don't have the strength to help you. I wish I did.

larry

What you are writing here is plain BS. There is no Christian bent on destroying people just because they think differently, All we want is a reasonable dialogue. But when someone straps dynamite on themselves and blows themselves up in a crowded area for no reason other than the intent of spewing fear and distress, thinking that gives them seven virgins to brutalize, something is wrong with that attitude and teaching.
The sensible and caring people of Islam, are themselves brutalized by the fanatics. When I or any person criticize the actions of the I***TICS, we are not condemning the sensible people, but we do not see any evidence of restraint among the general populace. In fact they celebrate the events of horror and destruction foisted upon everyone else as some kind of victory. What is wrong with sensible dialogue instead of terroristic and fanatical threats. Christians are not threatening them. We do not have any directives out to k**l and maim all Islamics. As a matter of fact,there are more Muslims in this country unmolested, than Christians in their country. You tell me who is more forgiving, and sensible?

straightUp Loc: California

Larry - I can't tell if you actually believe the lies or if you are knowingly spreading the lies, but the high ground you profess to stand on is itself a lie.

Let's have a look...

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And yet I have not seen a shred of evidence that anyone with the prejudice exhibited by romin57 has extended the slightest effort to make that happen. In fact you make it impossible by the fact that you insist on false impressions of who these people actually are, you can't have a dialogue with a false impression.

The efforts I have seen indicate that what bigots like romin57 want is DIATRIBE, not dialogue. How do I know that? Well, let's look at the rest of your post since it's such a good example...

Lie #1

Yes, they blow themselves up for the purpose of "spewing" fear and distress. This is what terrorism is, but they also know that the people in the region they are terrorizing are quite aware of the reasons behind it, unlike the out-of-touch zealots far off in America who lie about the incentive being numerous virgins to "brutalize" ...AND lie about this being taught by their faith.

Lie #2

*some* sensible and caring people of Islam are brutalized by the fanatics. I was involved in a campaign way back when Clinton was in office, to encourage the State Department to do something about the brutalization of women by the Taliban. (At that time, the Bush family and other's involved in the oil industry were flying Taliban leaders into Houston to discuss pipeline deals.) But what YOU said is... *the* sensible and caring people of Islam... implying they are ALL brutalized by fanatics and that is a another lie.

Lie #3

What you see is the very small fraction of people who call themselves Muslims that make the headlines by engaging in terrorism. Cooking dinner and helping with your child's homework don't make headlines, but since all you see are the fanatics you assume they are ALL like that... and you perpetuate this misconception by insisting it's a fact. I got some news for you... a misconception born out of ignorance is STILL a lie.

Lie #4

Another lie... One that anyone (such as myself) who has ever spent time in a predominately Muslim region can very easily see through. So don't think for a moment that you are fooling me.


The fact that a sensible dialogue requires two willing parties... Ask yourself the same question next time our troops invade a foreign country.

Lie #5

*some* Christians are indeed... In several ways.

Way #1: Christian Terrorism
Since 9/11/01, there has been numerous threats to Muslim communities in America. There have also been attacks - for instance... the Wisconsin Sikh Temple massacre on 8/5/12 where six people were k**led by a w***e s*********t who thought he was shooting Muslims. That's just one example.

Now, *I* know that the claims that Christian terrorists groups like the Army of God and the KKK, or the numerous Christian terrorist groups overseas like the NSCN in India, make about acting in the name of Christianity are in fact delusional. But so are the religious claims made by Muslim terrorist groups. But YOU refuse to accept this - you insist that these Muslim fanatics are acting in accordance with their faith. By the same token, one could also say the same about the Christian terrorists.

Way #3: Z*****m
Israel is illegally occupying the West Bank and threatening Muslim families there by bulldozing their homes in order to push them out to make more room for Jews. Ask any member of the NRA what THEY would do if an army came to take THEIR homes from them... They would say they would fight back and that's why they have guns. But when the Palestinians do that they are called a threat to security and the Israelis respond with air strikes. This process of "ethnic cleaning" is supported AND partly funded by Christian organizations in the U.S. which makes these Christians part of the threat.


If by "we" you mean the Christian doctrine, then no we don't. Nor does the Islamic doctrine have anything similar.


That's because there are a LOT more Muslims living in this country than there are Christians in living in any of the predominately Muslim countries. Also, this country is very secure under a stable government. Many of the Muslim countries are in political upheaval and civil war, which t***slates to more violence all around. I see you fail to mention that Muslim attacks on Christians don't number anywhere near as many as the Muslim attacks on other Muslims. I suppose that doesn't suit the image you are trying to cast that Muslims are waging a systematic war on Christians.


Christianity and Islam are both more forgiving and sensible than the fanatics that associate themselves with either.

My point - the same point I made with that romin57... The horrible things you are reacting too are the actions of fanatics. So target the fanatics and stop throwing gasoline on the fire by trying to make this a holy war.

larry

Ok I grant you that you have some points, not all of them are reasonable from an uninvolved bystander. The biggest problem is the media on both sides making such a big noise about small things. But, that does not excuse the terrorist activity against innocent bystanders just to make a point, in any country. The fact that more of it happens under that system than any other seems to be probably biased reporting.

If any progress can be made in this area, there needs to be a better way of dealing with it than war. I also do not believe that the US has any business messing around militarily in every country except this one. Especially through the UN. A radical and biased organization.

You call what I wrote lies, but they are not, you are as biased as anyone else, I do not know why, but you are. Your analysis of my statements as lies has no basis other than your opinion. I do not wish to defend any of them because that would just give you the excuse to foist on me your lies.

But do not try to tell me, that all this nonsense they perpetrate is justified. I will no more believe that than you believe otherwise. Blowing people up is terrorism, no matter what hat it wears. And the biggest hat at the moment seems to be on the radical muslims. Stop that activity and perhaps some progress can be made.

straightUp Loc: California

I agree this is a problem, though I strongly suspect it would be less of a problem if the networks weren't trying to sell commercial spots.


I agree.


If you are saying that biased reporting pawns a one-sided view off as an account of the facts, then yes I agree.


I would hope so.


I agree that the U.S. military shouldn't be interfering with the self-determination of other countries for commercial gains.


I have biased feelings on these issues like anyone else, but my arguments are objective and I *have* methodically disproved your claims. As I said before you might just be passing these lies along while actually believing them to be true - I don't know.


So, the fact that I personally know Muslims who aren't brutalized by extremists is just my opinion?


Why even bother coming up with such a lame excuse? There are so many better ones... Just say you don't have time or the energy to argue the point - or just don't say anything.


Since you are now accusing me of finding justice in terrorism you had better find where I made any such indication. It's one thing not to have a counter argument, but to try and make up for it with empty accusations is cheap and vile.


Well, at least your specifying "radical" Muslims. So, let me ask you this... how do you propose we put a stop to the terrorist activities of the radical Muslims?