cant beleve Loc: Planet Kolob

:twisted: well still waiting for an answer. Also in Noah's time we're told people had sex with angels causing a form of giants
so angels could have sex as its recorded in lots time in sodom and gemmorah. Isn't this in Scriptures

Searching Loc: Rural Southwest VA

I don't recall that being in the scripture, guess I'll have a look see. More than likely someone like Armageddun would be able to say "yea" or "nay" in a rather speedier fashion than I would be able to say, but I will see if I can find it.

However, and Rumi knows this, I believe in angels and their making appearances in this world.

We used to find my grandmother, bless her heart, in conversations looking up, always outside, in deep conversation with someone we could not see. She seemed to have these conversations only when she was outside. When she was asked who she was talking to, she would reply "don't you see her?" and then go on to describe in detail a beautiful angel, dressed in the most wondrous colors. How I wish she had been able to stay with us longer, the questions I would have asked about her conversations with angels.

I had an experience myself in the mountains of Tennessee, late one night, rain pouring, tired, having to hurry myself from Key West via Atlanta to D.C. I had stopped for gas, somewhere near Memphis, the gas attendant cautioning me to be really careful so late at night driving with the roads so slick. Not 15 minutes out, apparently I started to nod off, and apparently was headed for the guard rail. I was startled back awake by what sounded like a sharp slap to the windshield. Slamming on the brakes because I realized instinctively I was about to go sailing through the guard rail and off the steep mountainside, I saw a softly glowing wing -- it covered the whole windshield. It appeared in great detail. It disappeared as soon as it came. I sat for a minute or two, saying a prayer of thanks for God's messenger who had kept me from certain death.

There are perhaps what are perceived as evil angels, but I have a hard time wrapping my head around that one. Think I will ask someone far more learned than myself and get back to you.

larry

I don't think angels have sex, why should they, they do not die. They are immortal. God creates Angels, they don;t create themselves. They just keep on, and on, and on. Unless they turn to the dark side, and then they will be wiped out at eternal fire. I believe that only God can end the life of an immortal.

Those giants during Noah's time, are a peculiarity, and a stumbling block because their origination is not disclosed. Personally, I believe that they were just bigger people than the ones that hung around with Noah. Maybe not, but who knows. We have no evidence of it anyway, except there have been larger skeletons found in Australia. Of exceptionally large people. Where they came from is also a mystery, Atlantis is also a mystery that has never been explained. Maybe all that stuff is like evolution, a fairy tale.

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

I don't know who you directed this to, but I knew someone would say, "what about the Nephilim?"

Gen 6:4 "The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore {children} to them. Those were the mighty men who {were} of old, men of renown."

I believe this refers to men who are Kings or Princes. In Biblical times, they were called "Sons of God," they are also called Mighty men as was Nimrod, Noah's Great grandson, who rebelled against God, who created his own kingdom and built the tower of Babel. The Hebrew word is "Gabor," or "Grebor."

Gen 10:8 Now Cush became the father of Nimrod; he became a mighty one on the earth.
Gen 10:9 He was a mighty h****r before the LORD; therefore it is said, "Like Nimrod a mighty h****r before the LORD."

Nimrod is called a h****r of souls in the ancient Jewish commentaries, he created the first phony man made religion, to lead people away from the worship of God and attempt to reach heaven their own way, through their own "good works." He was the first dictator after the flood.

Some people belief that passage refers to physically giant sized men. I believe it means men who have great power over other men, prince like men who are rulers over men, because the ancient libraries that Archaelologists have found in the remains of the ancient ruins of civilizations that were there four and five thousand years ago, have been t***slated into modern languages. and they called their great important men "sons of God," and "mighty men."

These men took any of the daughters of the Godly men who still worshiped the True God they saw and desired, making impossible God's plan of building a nation of people through whom He could send Jesus to be born, so God destroyed them. The "mighty" men were violent and
cruel to those they ruled over.

Jesus would come to earth, born of a virgin, to pay through his own shed blood the punishment for all the sins that would ever be committed, those before his life on earth, and those afterward as a free gift to anyone willing to have faith in Him, repent of their sins, which literally means to turn, forsake the sin, and go the other way, and to worship Jesus, following His commandments.

He was the reconciliation between imperfect men and a Holy, Righteous God, because without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness for sin, and because man can not live a perfect life, and God, being spirit, cannot bleed, Jesus came as fully God and fully man, a perfect sacrifice.


The three angels who went to Sodom and Gomorrah to destroy it did not have sex with men. The Bible says because the angels appeared to be regular men, the evil men there tried to attack them and sexually assault them, but were not allowed to do so.

God said all creatures and people would reproduce after their own kind,
and angels are not human.

Gnosticism was a religion based on "elitism," the belief that through "secret knowledge" which other men did not have, esotoric knowledge learned not through the Bible, but through meditation in trance states, bypassing the God of creation, men could learn from spiritual entities knowledge that made them Godlike, in their own minds, although they were unacceptable to God.

The Gnostic gospels were not included in the Bible because they were not written by God's apostles, or their closest companions, like Mark and Luke. They were not inspired by the Holy Spirit, because they teach a different gospel that does not teach that salvation comes through Jesus Christ. They had their own plan.

It was not God's plan. It was Satan's plan from the Garden of Eden. "Surely, you will not die, you will be as God," is what Satan told Eve.

This is the original "Progressivism, achieving your own way to heaven through your own good works, rather than through God's design, and every alternate religion to Judaism, and then Christianity, since that time has been based on it.

That is a rough explanation off the top of my head.

Much more information is available online, and I can add more documentation later.

larry

Can't believe wrotel
Gen 6:4 "The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore {children} to them. Those were the mighty men who {were} of old, men of renown."
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At the time of Noah, there were two groups of people on the earth, Those that were descendants of Cain, and those that were descendants of Seth. We don't get a lot of knowledge about Cains descendants, and very little about Seth's. We just get to know about the ones that followed God, the ones that were with Noah. And these people didn't seem to know much about God either, even though Noah preached for over a hundred years to them. The group that followed Cain were a pretty astute and clever bunch apparently that developed tools and musical instruments. It could have been that bunch that were called the nephilum. They seemed to have been living in a different place than those with Noah. Maybe they were Seth's bunch after all. Who knows. That is the mystery part of it. Never the less, we are told that only eight people survived that flood session. Hence, some people call Noah the second Adam. ????

Armageddun Loc: The show me state

Read Eph. 6 And learn what the Christians armor is all about. The Book of James tells us to resist the devil and he will flee.

Armageddun Loc: The show me state

Paul calls Jesus the second Adam. The first Adam sinned and that sin was imputed or reckoned to all mankind. Jesus the second Adam, lived a sinless life and gave His life on the Cross to satisfy the wrath of God toward sin. This death of Jesus on the cross was imputed as righteousness to all who will believe on His name.

God is not the Father of mankind, He is the creator of mankind. God is only the Father to those who believe and call on Him for forgiveness of sin based on the sacrifice of Jesus spilt blood on the cross.

larry

Maybe I didn't phrase it right, but, since everybody was wiped out at the flood, Noah and his family repopulated the earth. Noah could be called the second Adam because He and his family repopulated the earth by natural means. but Christ of course was the final Adam. It is Christ that will put the creation back into perfection. Christ apparently was not created, but was part of the original source. We can become sons of God by our devotion and allegiance to Christ.

Armageddun Loc: The show me state

Cant believe, is there a reason for your screen name?

rhomin57 Loc: Far Northern CA.

In helping this issue a bit more, when it says that the "Sons of God" came unto the daughters of men....
Adam was the "Son of God" as written in the Virgin Mary's lineage in Luke. (the given lineage of Mary in Luke can be confused with Josephs, but it is hers. Joseph was the Head of the House hold for Mary, and strick Jewish religion always refers to the wife as Husband house)
Any how, when it says the 'sons of God" it is referring to Adam's sons, Adam- being the Son of God.
Then you have to understand that the people outside of Eden were created first, in the creation days, where Adam was 'formed' after the Sabbath, from the Earth that was already created and good. This is why Cain went to the land of Nod and took his wife.
Those Genetics were so new, that when the 'sons of God (Adam)' mixed their genetics with the daughters of men (the people living outside of Eden) there were difficulties in those new genetics mixing and malformities happened.This is just like when Noah's youngest son Ham saw the nakedness of his father Noah's wife:
20 And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard:
21 And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent.
**22 And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.**
23 And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness." Genesis 9:20-23.
Then you have to go to:
"8 The nakedness of thy father's wife shalt thou not uncover: it is thy father's nakedness." Leviticus 18:8.
These verses are all about incest in family. Close family were not to have sex with one another because it is not morally right, plus because of it being to close in Genetics. Canaan was the results of Ham having had sex with his mother, for Noah being so mad as to curse the child.
So, I used to believe that 'sons of God' meant Angels as well, but that is not so.
As far as the Giants upon the Earth, before speaking of the Men of Renown, remember this is the "first Earth Age" being written of and those bones of the Giants science digs up all the time.

Armageddun Loc: The show me state

Yes that is true,
the Bible says to those who believe he gave the right to be called the sons of God. We are joint heirs with Christ.

Armageddun Loc: The show me state

Rohim, Just curious where did you get the information about people outside of the garden being created? Very interesting, as I always believed Adam was created on the 6th day. Then God made the 7th day the Sabbath or day of rest. Just asking..

larry

Rhomen57 wrote. any how, when it says the 'sons of God" it is referring to Adam's sons, Adam- being the Son of God.
Then you have to understand that the people outside of Eden were created first, in the creation days, where Adam was 'formed' after the Sabbath, from the Earth that was already created and good. This is why Cain went to the land of Nod and took his wife.

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Where do you get this story that the people outside of Eden were created first?? Doesn't the bible say Adam was the first man? If he was not, why was Eve divided out of him. He could have just walked out of Eden and picked one of those other people. In the land of Nod, Cain must have picked one of Adam and Eve's daughters. Sure I know, sisters, but so what at the time there was no problem in messing up the genes. There were no disparity in humans. Or if there were, we don't have any way of knowing about it. It seems that the variety of human colors and shapes was the result of that close association. Which segregated at the tower of Babble. ???

Armageddun Loc: The show me state

Very good point Larry. However, it was the language that God changed, that why it was called the tower of babel, because the langue became babbled between different groups of people. I'm not sure that He changed the different races. Plus I have been taught that the reason people lived to such great ages is because. God's perfection was so great in His creation, it took sin that long to get a total foothold and once it did men began to live shorter life spans.

larry

I don't know when the different colors and shapes of people came about, but it does say that the sons of Noah had different looking wives, colors and sizes. As for the tower of babble, when god separated them by language confusion, it would seem logical, that he would pick some discriminating feature to do so. I could be wrong, but it would make it easier for those speaking the same language to look similar so they wouldn't feel too lost, and could easily find others that spoke as they did. And, the separation probably caused feature adaption to the environment that they selected when they disbursed. This is probably where the evolution fairy tale came to life.