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Jan 8, 2014 23:43:36   #
Armageddun Loc: The show me state
 
larry wrote:
I don't know when the different colors and shapes of people came about, but it does say that the sons of Noah had different looking wives, colors and sizes. As for the tower of babble, when god separated them by language confusion, it would seem logical, that he would pick some discriminating feature to do so. I could be wrong, but it would make it easier for those speaking the same language to look similar so they wouldn't feel too lost, and could easily find others that spoke as they did. And, the separation probably caused feature adaption to the environment that they selected when they disbursed. This is probably where the evolution fairy tale came to life.
I don't know when the different colors and shapes ... (show quote)


That sounds reasonable to me. God is so wonderful in hiding certain things so as to encourage us to keep the faith. Cause the Bible says, "without faith, it's impossible to please God."

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Jan 8, 2014 23:44:45   #
rhomin57 Loc: Far Northern CA.
 
Adam was the first man out of God's own Spirit, his very spirit of breath, and first of that direct Holy Bloodline to Jesus Christ given in Mary's lineage. Before this in Genesis Chapter 1, during the creation days, on the 6th day, God states he "Created" man and woman, told them to go multiply and eat of the trees and herbs. Adam was not able to do that as he was "Formed" alone, by himself at first. Then there was one tree he could not eat from once in the Garden.
The man and woman in Genesis chpt 1 God plainly states that he "Created" them, meaning of his Will. Of Adam, God again plainly states the he "Formed" him of the dust of the ground, meaning creation (all 6 days) was already complete. God uses the distinction of those two words.
As far as Eve, she was formed out of Adams own bone, the morrow- where red blood cells are made, and was truly his own flesh. This was not so of the others.
After Eve was tempted, and Adam sinned along with her, the great problem began with the two different types of people, or their societies colliding. The one who started that situation was Cain. Spiritual man, and carnal man became one flesh and quite obviously according to scripture that did not mix well and evil reigned.
The first Earth was done away with as there was no Savior yet to bring in Gods Word or Salvation, and evil heightened very quick.
In very ancient times, mankind lived very long lives as multiplying people on the earth took a while.
God finally states he shortens the days of man due to his eagerness to sin and corrupt.
Also, should your teacher in elementary school have shortened a very long test- I imagine it was in the hopes that more would pass it.
larry wrote:
Rhomen57 wrote. any how, when it says the 'sons of God" it is referring to Adam's sons, Adam- being the Son of God.
Then you have to understand that the people outside of Eden were created first, in the creation days, where Adam was 'formed' after the Sabbath, from the Earth that was already created and good. This is why Cain went to the land of Nod and took his wife.

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Where do you get this story that the people outside of Eden were created first?? Doesn't the bible say Adam was the first man? If he was not, why was Eve divided out of him. He could have just walked out of Eden and picked one of those other people. In the land of Nod, Cain must have picked one of Adam and Eve's daughters. Sure I know, sisters, but so what at the time there was no problem in messing up the genes. There were no disparity in humans. Or if there were, we don't have any way of knowing about it. It seems that the variety of human colors and shapes was the result of that close association. Which segregated at the tower of Babble. ???
Rhomen57 wrote. any how, when it says the 'sons ... (show quote)

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Jan 8, 2014 23:52:39   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
Armageddun wrote:
Very good point Larry. However, it was the language that God changed, that why it was called the tower of babel, because the langue became babbled between different groups of people. I'm not sure that He changed the different races. Plus I have been taught that the reason people lived to such great ages is because. God's perfection was so great in His creation, it took sin that long to get a total foothold and once it did men began to live shorter life spans.


It was after the flood that men's lifespan became gradually shorter.

The entire earth no longer enjoyed the protection of a water filled atmosphere surrounding it, to moisten the entire earth without rain, as it had before, that had given the earth, including north and south pole, a year round growing season and also protection against the more harmful rays of the sun that had now been taken away.

Giant tropical type vegetation has been found at the north and south pole, deep under the accumulated snow and ice, from centuries ago, when there have been brief summer thaws.

The same lush vegetation has been found buried deep under the sands of the Sahara desert. The entire earth had been like a Garden of Eden before the flood, and the cancer causing rays of the sun had been filtered before.

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Jan 8, 2014 23:57:10   #
Armageddun Loc: The show me state
 
Zemirah wrote:
It was after the flood that men's lifespan became gradually shorter.

The entire earth no longer enjoyed the protection of a water filled atmosphere surrounding it, to moisten the entire earth without rain, as it had before, that had given the earth, including north and south pole, a year round growing season and also protection against the more harmful rays of the sun that had now been taken away.

Giant tropical type vegetation has been found at the north and south pole, deep under the accumulated snow and ice, from centuries ago, when there have been brief summer thaws.

The same lush vegetation has been found buried deep under the sands of the Sahara desert. The entire earth had been like a Garden of Eden before the flood, and the cancer causing rays of the sun had been filtered before.
It was after the flood that men's lifespan became... (show quote)


I have also heard that explained in that manner.

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Jan 9, 2014 00:03:15   #
rhomin57 Loc: Far Northern CA.
 
I love that saying! I have stated to some friends that we are all made from the dust of the ground only to get silence.
Is it so hard to understand that Noah was a direct descendant of Adam. Adam was formed by God of the dust of the ground, with the very spirit of Gods breath to give him life. Eve was of Adams very flesh and blood. So Noah would also be of that spirit, lineage and bloodline, right?
Didn't Noah and his own three sons repopulate the Earth, meaning all mankind carries the Spirit of Life from God within them? Aren't we all able to wake up to the Spirit of God within us, renewed by Jesus Christ?
I believe so~
Armageddun wrote:
Yes that is true,
the Bible says to those who believe he gave the right to be called the sons of God. We are joint heirs with Christ.

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Jan 9, 2014 01:06:31   #
larry
 
rhomin57 wrote:
Adam was the first man out of God's own Spirit, his very spirit of breath, and first of that direct Holy Bloodline to Jesus Christ given in Mary's lineage. Before this in Genesis Chapter 1, during the creation days, on the 6th day, God states he "Created" man and woman, told them to go multiply and eat of the trees and herbs. Adam was not able to do that as he was "Formed" alone, by himself at first. Then there was one tree he could not eat from once in the Garden.
The man and woman in Genesis chpt 1 God plainly states that he "Created" them, meaning of his Will. Of Adam, God again plainly states the he "Formed" him of the dust of the ground, meaning creation (all 6 days) was already complete. God uses the distinction of those two words.
As far as Eve, she was formed out of Adams own bone, the morrow- where red blood cells are made, and was truly his own flesh. This was not so of the others.
After Eve was tempted, and Adam sinned along with her, the great problem began with the two different types of people, or their societies colliding. The one who started that situation was Cain. Spiritual man, and carnal man became one flesh and quite obviously according to scripture that did not mix well and evil reigned.
The first Earth was done away with as there was no Savior yet to bring in Gods Word or Salvation, and evil heightened very quick.
In very ancient times, mankind lived very long lives as multiplying people on the earth took a while.
God finally states he shortens the days of man due to his eagerness to sin and corrupt.
Also, should your teacher in elementary school have shortened a very long test- I imagine it was in the hopes that more would pass it.
Adam was the first man out of God's own Spirit, hi... (show quote)


Well, that is a story all right, but I still do not see where you say these people were created before Adam and Eve. It says that after naming everything no mate for Adam could be found. So god divided Adam into He and She. so that the family relationship could be started, but he still saw the two of them as one person. His intention was to always have a family group not lonely individuals.

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Jan 9, 2014 01:10:10   #
larry
 
Zemirah wrote:
It was after the flood that men's lifespan became gradually shorter.

The entire earth no longer enjoyed the protection of a water filled atmosphere surrounding it, to moisten the entire earth without rain, as it had before, that had given the earth, including north and south pole, a year round growing season and also protection against the more harmful rays of the sun that had now been taken away.

Giant tropical type vegetation has been found at the north and south pole, deep under the accumulated snow and ice, from centuries ago, when there have been brief summer thaws.

The same lush vegetation has been found buried deep under the sands of the Sahara desert. The entire earth had been like a Garden of Eden before the flood, and the cancer causing rays of the sun had been filtered before.
It was after the flood that men's lifespan became... (show quote)


Man's life span was not gradually shortened, it was declared shortened by God who limited it to 120 years. Now what does that mean, people today sometimes live longer than that. At least I have heard of some, maybe they are mistaken, I don't know, but how or why God wanted it that way He does not tell us other than He put a limit on how much evil we could create in that lifetime.

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Jan 9, 2014 01:16:50   #
larry
 
Zemirah wrote:
It was after the flood that men's lifespan became gradually shorter.

The entire earth no longer enjoyed the protection of a water filled atmosphere surrounding it, to moisten the entire earth without rain, as it had before, that had given the earth, including north and south pole, a year round growing season and also protection against the more harmful rays of the sun that had now been taken away.

Giant tropical type vegetation has been found at the north and south pole, deep under the accumulated snow and ice, from centuries ago, when there have been brief summer thaws.

The same lush vegetation has been found buried deep under the sands of the Sahara desert. The entire earth had been like a Garden of Eden before the flood, and the cancer causing rays of the sun had been filtered before.
It was after the flood that men's lifespan became... (show quote)


What you are telling me, is that good weather was over the whole earth from top to bottom. No ice, just gently watered atmosphere. That must mean, that the earth was not tilted for seasons at the time. Everything was even exposure. So we need to look for the reason for the tilt, and the seasons. How did that happen? When do you think it got tilted? During the flood? When the features were all rearranged by the churning water, and the displacement of the land masses? What did the Angels have to do at that time? Were they just standing there watching?

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Jan 9, 2014 02:01:23   #
rumitoid
 
The Bible has had some well-meaning, er, adjustments, and some have led to egregious misconceptions and others smaller ones. Such is the so-called title "Son of man" and how that influenced ideas around the Sabbath.

I was always fascinated and curious about this seeming title repeated so often in Matthew. How did it, if it did, relate to Son of God? What was it really saying? To me, there appeared great doctrinal weight in figuring out exactly what that meant. Numerous books had been written on this subject and I found articles by scholars and local opinions by pastors about its implications: they all had it wrong. Think about that a moment. Two thousand years of theories, arguing, fighting, and certainty flushed down the toilet by finding some Aramaic graffiti that explained it: it was simply the modern day version of saying, "Hey, man." Burst my bubble. Knocked me totally off my high horse. I was ready for anything but such a mundane, really trite, explanation.

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Jan 9, 2014 02:40:17   #
cant beleve Loc: Planet Kolob
 
Armageddun wrote:
Cant believe, is there a reason for your screen name?


:x yes it was chosen because everytime I turn on the news thats usually my reaction and first words that come to mind I'm a practicing Mormon whom I'm sure will get attacked for being non Christian but I have asked God into my life and have fallen at the foot of the cross and now have a personal relationship with Jesus. I figure you asked about my web name thinking I'm a person who wants to argue religion. Nothing father from the t***h I want to learn.constantly while it's available..thats why I turn in news and saying can't believe.but back to my questions I believe that angels had offspring creating men like the giants that David k**led and his brothers.and doesn't the Bible speak against worship of angels.and limiti

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Jan 9, 2014 03:33:58   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
larry wrote:
What you are telling me, is that good weather was over the whole earth from top to bottom. No ice, just gently watered atmosphere. That must mean, that the earth was not tilted for seasons at the time. Everything was even exposure. So we need to look for the reason for the tilt, and the seasons. How did that happen? When do you think it got tilted? During the flood? When the features were all rearranged by the churning water, and the displacement of the land masses? What did the Angels have to do at that time? Were they just standing there watching?
What you are telling me, is that good weather was ... (show quote)


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THE BOOK OF NOAH (Qumran Cave remnants)65.1 "And in those days, Noah saw the Earth had tilted and that its destruction was near."

As in the Days of Noah”, the Earth Tilted and became Inclined and Sudden Destruction came upon the Earth – Part One; Prelude to a Pole Shift?


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Noah died 350 years after the Flood, at the age of 1,200 the last of the extremely long-lived antediluvian Patriarchs. The maximum human lifespan, as depicted by the Bible, diminishes rapidly thereafter, from almost 1,000 years to the 120 years of Moses. Genesis 9:28-29


On the activities of the angels during the flood? They had nothing to do with the creation of the earth. I doubt if God utilized them during the flood. Were they watching? Wouldn't you be watching?

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http://www.genesispark.com/exhibits/early-earth/atmosphere/

The Pre-flood Atmosphere

There is evidence that the atmosphere enveloping the early earth was very different than it is today. At one time the entire earth enjoyed a warm tropical environment and there was enhanced oxygen in the atmosphere. Organisms grew larger and lived longer as a result.

Many creationists have attributed this to a water vapor canopy that was created by God on the second day, the “waters above the firmament” (Genesis 1:7). This theory holds that a “vast blanket of invisible water vapor, t***slucent to the light of the stars but productive of a marvelous greenhouse effect which maintained mild temperatures from pole to pole, thus preventing air-mass circulation and the resultant rainfall (Genesis 2:5). It would certainly have had the further effect of efficiently filtering harmful radiation from space, markedly reducing the rate of somatic mutations in living cells, and, as a consequence, drastically decreasing the rate of aging and death.”(Morris, Henry, Scientific Creationism, 1984, p. 211.) Citing evidence of denser atmosphere in the past, Morris postulated that this vapor layer could have dramatically increased the atmospheric pressure on the surface of the early earth, again contributing to a healthier environment (like a natural hyperbaric chamber). Later the canopy would have collapsed in the form of rain (the “windows of heaven” in Genesis 7:11), contributing to the Flood water, and resulting in the dramatic drop-off in longevity after the deluge.

Canopy PictureGenesis 9 tells how Noah planted a vineyard after the flood and became drunk from the fruit of it. This is an aberration in the life of this godly man. Some have suggested that Noah did not know his grape juice would ferment so quickly or so extensively in the post-flood atmosphere. Or perhaps the reduced atmospheric pressure made it harder for him to “hold his drink.” While this is only speculation, the removal of the vapor canopy could help explain this curious situation.

Some creationists emphasize other factors that may have caused the worldwide temperate conditions that existed before the Flood. They stress the evidence of far greater concentrations of carbon dioxide levels in the past and point out that the earth’s magnetic field was far stronger than today. This could have acted as the shield for cosmic radiation and produced the healthier environment. (Humphreys, Russel D., Starlight and Time, 1995, p. 63.) John Baumgardner of Los Alamos has suggested that the atmosphere surrounding the original earth was far thicker than it is today and that the exploding of the fountains of the great deep during the initial stages of the Genesis Flood stripped some of this atmosphere away. Certain Bible scholars cite the language of the Psalm 148:4 as evidence against a vapor canopy. If the canopy had collapsed during the flood, they reason, why does the Psalmist still reference the waters above the firmament? But this poetic allusion could hark back to the original creation, or it could make reference to waters God expanded out into deep space as part of creation, or it could refer to some of the original water vapor (left over from the canopy) still in the outer reaches of our atmosphere.

It is interesting that scientists who would not subscribe to the water vapor canopy theory described above, have published articles that lend credence to portions of that theory. “Using evidence collected in South America and New Zealand, an international team of researchers has determined that c*****e c****es – both warming and cooling patterns – during the late Pleistocene occurred rapidly and were global in scale. As giant iceberg armadas flooded the North Atlantic, alpine glaciers were simultaneously advancing across the Chilean Andes and Southern Alps of New Zealand. Thomas Lowell, associate professor of geology at the University of Cincinnati, and his colleagues published their findings in the September 15, 1995, issues of Science. …So, what did cause the c*****e c****es? Lowell admits that he and his colleagues have no quick and easy answers. Possibly water vapors played a role. ‘A lot of water vapor in the atmosphere leads to a warmer climate,’ he states. ‘If there’s less vapor, temperatures become colder. Amounts of water vapor can change quickly, and the geological record indicates that c*****e c****es could be very fast.’” (Anonymous, “Were C*****e C****es Global During Ice Ages,” Geotimes,vol. 41, 1996, p.7, as cited in Morris, 1997, p. 305.) Additionally some scientists have been quite surprised to find water vapor in the freezing atmospheres of Jupiter, Uranus, Neptune and Saturn. (Dayton Daily News, April 8, 1998, p. 12A)

The water vapor canopy hypothesis would neatly explain yet another observed anomaly…too much water in Earth’s upper atmosphere. NASA satellites have confirmed far more hydroxyl in the hydrosphere than current models predict. The parent molecule of hydroxyl (OH) is water (H2O). Because ultraviolet radiation from the sun breaks down water in Earth’s upper atmosphere into hydroxyl and hydrogen, a large amount of water must have previously existed. Some have proposed a constant influx of mini-comets as a source for the mysterious water, but that theory has been strongly criticized as unworkable. (Matthews, Robert, New Scientist, July, 1997, pp. 26-27.)

Amber with unknown insectAnother interesting feature of the early earth atmosphere was enhanced oxygen. The analysis of microscopic air bubbles trapped in fossilized tree resin gave Robert Berner of Yale and Gary Landis of the U.S. Geological Survey a glimpse into the ancient past. “The researchers clamped the amber into a vacuum chamber of a quadrupole mass spectrometer, a device that identifies the chemical composition of a substance. As the machine slowly crushed the sample, the microscopic bubbles were released, exhaling up to 100 billion molecules. These breaths disclosed some surprising evidence: the ancient air contained 50 percent more oxygen than the air today.” Landis believes that the reduction in oxygen could have led to the dinosaur’s demise. (Discover, February, 1988, p. 12.)

Other studies of air bubbles in amber have found increased pressure as well as greater oxygen levels. “One implication is that the atmospheric pressure of the Earth would have been much greater during the Cretaceous era, when the bubbles formed in the resin. A dense atmosphere could also explain how the ungainly pterosaur, with its stubby body and wing span of up to 11 meters, could have stayed airborne, he said. The spread of angiosperms, flowering plants, during the Cretaceous era could have caused the high oxygen levels reported by Berner and Landis, scientists said last week.” (Anderson, Ian, “Dinosaurs Breathed Air Rich in Oxygen,” New Scientist, vol. 116, 1987, p. 25.) A Yale study published in the March 3, 2000 issue of Science independently confirmed the high levels of oxygen present in the earth’s distant past. Some have even suggested that without such an atmosphere the relatively small lung capacity in certain dinosaurs could not have supplied their massive tissue with the needed oxygen.

In October 2006 Science Daily publicized a study led by Arizona State University staff entitled “Giant Insects Might Reign If Only There Was More Oxygen In The Air.” The article claims, “The delicate lady bug in your garden could be frighteningly large if only there was a greater concentration of oxygen in the air, a new study concludes. The study adds support to the theory that some insects were much larger during the late Paleozoic period because they had a much richer oxygen supply, said the study’s lead author Alexander Kaiser. The Paleozoic period…was a time of huge and abundant plant life and rather large insects — d**gonflies had two-and-a-half-foot wing spans, for example. The air’s oxygen content was 35% during this period, compared to the 21% we breathe now, Kaiser said.” This research concurs with the biblical model of the early earth. In 2010 researchers at Arizona State University presented the results of experiments raising insects in various levels of atmospheric oxygen. Ten out of twelve varieties of insects studied decreased in size with lower oxygen. Some, like d**gonflies, grew faster and became bigger in an enriched oxygen atmosphere (Science Daily, October 30, 2010.).

Some object strongly to using the scriptures to gain scientific insight into the natural world. While the Bible is not a science text, there are several clear lines of evidence that the Bible is God’s Word. If God’s word is truly inspired, it speaks accurately to all areas of knowledge: historical, political/economic, sociological, and scientific.
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Jan 9, 2014 03:37:57   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
larry wrote:
Man's life span was not gradually shortened, it was declared shortened by God who limited it to 120 years. Now what does that mean, people today sometimes live longer than that. At least I have heard of some, maybe they are mistaken, I don't know, but how or why God wanted it that way He does not tell us other than He put a limit on how much evil we could create in that lifetime.


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Noah died 350 years after the Flood, at the age of 1,200 the last of the extremely long-lived antediluvian Patriarchs. The maximum human lifespan, as depicted by the Bible, diminishes rapidly thereafter, from almost 1,000 years to the 120 years of Moses. Genesis 9:28-29q

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Jan 9, 2014 04:01:01   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
Zemirah wrote:
It was after the flood that men's lifespan became gradually shorter.

The entire earth no longer enjoyed the protection of a water filled atmosphere surrounding it, to moisten the entire earth without rain, as it had before, that had given the earth, including north and south pole, a year round growing season and also protection against the more harmful rays of the sun that had now been taken away.

Giant tropical type vegetation has been found at the north and south pole, deep under the accumulated snow and ice, from centuries ago, when there have been brief summer thaws.

The same lush vegetation has been found buried deep under the sands of the Sahara desert. The entire earth had been like a Garden of Eden before the flood, and the cancer causing rays of the sun had been filtered before.
It was after the flood that men's lifespan became... (show quote)


[quote]http://www.biblestudy.org/question/no-rain-before-flood.html
Factor #3
The World was much different before than after

The earth was DESTROYED by the flood:

"The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. So God looked upon the earth, and indeed it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted their way on the earth.

"And God said to Noah, 'The end of all flesh has come before Me, for the earth is filled with violence through them; and behold, I will DESTROY them with the earth.'" (Genesis 6:11-13)

Consider the following:

Evidence points to the fact that, before the deluge, the earth had a year consisting of 360 days as opposed to today's year which consists of a fraction more than 365 days. A comparison of the Genesis account, Genesis 7:24, 7:11, and 8:4, shows that five months consisted of 150 days. This would mean that the pre-flood days were slightly longer than the present 24 hour days.

The great mountain chains and deep ocean basins were the result of the flood.

"You covered it with the deep as with a garment, the waters stood above the mountains. At Your rebuke they fled, at the voice of Your thunder they hastened away.

"They went up over the mountains. They went down into the valleys, to the place which You founded for them. (The marginal rendering of the NKJV and various other t***slations state that "the mountains rose up and the valleys sank down.") You have set a boundary that they may not pass over, that they may not return to cover the earth. " (Psalm 104:6-9)

In other words the deep oceans and the mountains were formed after the waters covered the earth. The present day oceans contain the former floodwaters and the continental land masse and mountains were pushed upward.

The earth's axis TILTED.

"Behold, the Lord makes the earth empty and makes it waste, distorts its surface and scatters abroad its inhabitants.

"The earth mourns and fades away. The world languishes and fades away. The haughty people of the earth languish. The earth is also defiled under its inhabitants . . . Therefore the curse has devoured the earth, and those who dwell in it are desolate. . . .

" . . . For the windows from on high are open, and the foundations of the earth are shaken. The earth is violently broken. The earth is split open. The earth is shaken exceedingly. The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard and shall totter like a hut. Its t***sgression shall be heavy upon it, and it will fall, and not rise again." (Isaiah 24:1, 4-6, 18-20)

The earth before the flood was a lush tropical forest with large amounts of vegetation. Since the days were longer the temperature was warmer. After the waters receded the ice ages began and the earth's ecosystem changed. Before God brought the waters there would have been less wind and atmospheric turbulence. Winds are caused by temperature differences cause by the tilt of the earth's axis, mountain systems, and ice caps. All of these cause unequal regions of hot and cold on the globe which produce the various winds. Therefore the pre-flood earth was warmer, had more vegetation, had smaller oceans, and had smaller or nonexistent mountains.

Factor #4
Few particles existed for water to condense around

Present day rain condenses around what are called condensation nuclei:

"Some atmospheric particles . . . formed by the evaporation of water from droplets of sea spray, are natural and even beneficial atmospheric constituents. Very small particles called condensation nuclei serve as bodies for atmospheric water vapor to condense upon and are essential for the formation of rain drops." (2)

If the earth before the flood had smaller oceans then the production of particles for water drops to condense around would be very small if not non-existent. Less atmospheric turbulence would also have led to few particles put into the air. After the waters receded, the change in w*****r p*****ns, the formation of condensation nuclei from oceans, increased volcanic activity and the increased wind systems would have produced rain.

On the other hand, since the earth would have been warmer and laden with uncondensed moisture, there would have been an extremely efficient condensation cycle. Condensed water droplets would have been bigger and more commonplace. The earth's would have cooled very rapidly at night. This drop in temperatures would have caused a very large condensation cycle. The earth would therefore have been watered, not by rain or rain drops, but by a very heavy mist or fog each day (possibly at sunset and sunrise).

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Jan 9, 2014 04:37:29   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
rumitoid wrote:
Sorry my original response to you was so curt; did not mean it to be sharp but just as FYI. Wonderful experiences. I don't know how you will take this but when I was my baddest everyday it seemed I received the mercy of God, guided and brought to places where I was cared for.

I woke up one morning in Vegas not just broke but having exhausted all my options over the two months I was there. Yet I awoke with joy in the cab of my truck, my mobile hotel. For a moment I thought my memory of losing everything the night before was just a nightmare and I had full pockets. Yet that was fleeting. Why, then, was I joyful?

I got the message like a friend whispering in my ear to go to an AA meeting but say nothing about my state of affairs. No promises were made. I went to five meetings that day and obeyed the voice, saying nothing...and nothing happened. It was going on 11pm and I was now hunting for a safe place under a tree to park my truck for the night and sleep. I was really disappointed that my obedience had not resulted in some relief for my circumstances; I had had such messages before and was always taken care of.

I was going down a street in a part of town I had never been before when I spotted a sandwich-board sign that had the AA symbol; I turned into the driveway. It was the perfect spot to spend the night: off the street and there was a huge cottonwood to block the sun. I thought this was the comfort of God promised by the "voice": I was wrong.

11th Step meetings in AA are held at 11pm. I saw a light in the building and people moving about; maybe there are donuts and coffee? I thought. The meeting hall was set up in an "L" shape with the base of the letter by the welcoming coffee and donuts, but no one was sitting there. I took a seat. Exhausted and hungry, I was going to wait a respectable time, grab a bunch of donuts, and head to my truck for sleep. Eight people were seated in the other section and one of them glanced over at me and then away and then quickly back again, this time staring. He got up, walked over, and sat next to me. `

"How ya doin?" he asked. "Great," I answered more than a little uncomfortable with his movements: was this a "gay" meeting of AA? Then he said, "I was sitting at home content to watch a movie I had been looking forward to when a "voice" said someone needed my help, go to the late group. Do you have a place to stay tonight?" P***e started to answer yes but out of my mouth came the words, "I need help." "You are welcome to stay with me until you get back on your feet." My whole turned around after this encounter.
Sorry my original response to you was so curt; did... (show quote)


So did you spend time at this gentleman's place, and if so, I assume he was a human being spoken to by the Holy Spirit, rather than an angel, not that he wouldn't still be the kind of person of whom you would say, 'He's a real angel in my life!"

I've never been to Las Vegas, but my son spent three years at the University of Nevada - Reno - Desert Research Institute, and the slot machines at the airport acclimated me to the atmosphere rather quickly.

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Jan 9, 2014 09:57:08   #
larry
 
Reply to Zemer:

You posted a plethora of information about the water canopy, but have you considered this...

Suppose that the spin of the earth was faster, fast enough to hold a canopy of water above the solid part. The slow down of the earth allowed this water shield to fall. This fall also caused gravity to compress the existing land masses and squeeze water from below to the surface. Now the size of the spinning planet is reduced, and the force of gravity is more effective. same mass, but smaller diameter. Not going around fast enough to suspend water above the earth. How far would it have to be suspended? Just enough to give a living space for all the creatures and plants.

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