If you paid into SS regardless of your income, you can draw from it so long as you paid in to earn enough credits. They go by credits now, or they did when my husband and I signed up to draw whereas they used to go by quarters paid in.

So you are rich, eh? If you are so rich, then I don't see why you would even worry about healthcare insurance anyway? But to some of us, even a hundred dollar difference per month makes a great difference on what we have to live on all year long. And what makes it so much worse is the fact that so many that have never had a tax-paying job in their lives will get their insurance at zero or practically zero cost with very little deductible. This is nothing more than an award for more people to give up looking for a job and go on the dole. So tell me. What is this government's plan by doing this? Are they wanting our country to fail so they can step in and take control?

I hear ya, this is the point that really irritates me to no end, why in the world or should I say how in the world those who v**ed in favor, (the citizens I mean not the i***ts in DC), you have got to be looking at it with rose colored glass's on, don't get me wrong and I would appreciate no irrate RSVP's via this forum, I'm all for universal healthcare, the problem I have is my uncle "SAM" forcing me to enroll, if you look at this with a clear head and open mind, its more flawed than welfare, and believe you me if you think welfare is the model then there's absolutely no hope for you, this is nothing more than glamorized liberal f*****m, a re gifted present with a new bow, now how stupid are you all going to feel when the deification hits the rotary oscillator and you wind up with a face full?

Let's face things logically, shall we? Now the logical question would be why does this government seem to WANT people not to work? What possibility would this have in building a strong country and economy? How could any country survive with the majority on some kind of dole, and jobs at a minimum? And why would any government insist in giving i*****l a***ns, who, according to both federal and constitutional Law, are criminals, along with the employers that hire these criminals for less than starvation wages, amnesty? And put them on an already bloated welfare system that has more than tripled in the last 5 years? And why would a government extend the unemployment benefits to make it more lucrative for a person not to work?

Is this simply the graciousness of an all loving government, or is it, as I believe, a plot to o*******w this government to gain total control of it's citizens?

If you paid into SS regardless of your income, you can draw from it so long as you paid in to earn enough credits. They go by credits now, or they did when my husband and I signed up to draw whereas they used to go by quarters paid in.

So you are rich, eh? If you are so rich, then I don't see why you would even worry about healthcare insurance anyway? But to some of us, even a hundred dollar difference per month makes a great difference on what we have to live on all year long. And what makes it so much worse is the fact that so many that have never had a tax-paying job in their lives will get their insurance at zero or practically zero cost with very little deductible. This is nothing more than an award for more people to give up looking for a job and go on the dole. So tell me. What is this government's plan by doing this? Are they wanting our country to fail so they can step in and take control?

This came from a very disgruntled American. It is a long read but I believe every open-minded American will appreciate it. Now I already expect repercussion from the left-wing dingbats but that is to expected, is it not?

I am a 54 year old consulting engineer and make between $60,000 and $125,000 per year, depending on how hard I work and whether or not there are work projects out there for me.

My girlfriend is 61 and makes about $18,000 per ear, working as a part time mail clerk.

For me, making $60,000 a year, under Obamacare, the cheapest, lowest grade policy I can buy, which also happens to impose a $5,000 deductible, costs $482 per month.

For my girlfriend, the same exact policy with the same deductible, costs $1 per month.

Don't believe me? just go to "www.coveredca.gov" which is the Obamacare website for California and enter parameters I've mentioned and see for yourself. BTW, my zip code is 93940. You'll need that to enter.

So OK, clearly Obamacare is a scheme that involves putting the cost burden of healthcare on the middle and upper income wage earners. But there is a lot more to it. Stick with me.

I live in Monterey County, in Central California. We have a large land mass but just 426,000 residents-about the population size of Colorado Springs or Omaha.

But we do have a large Hispanic population, including a large number of i*****l a***ns, and to serve this group, we have Natividad Medical Center, a massive, federally subsidized county medical complex that takes up an area about 1/3 the size of the Chrysler Corporation Automobile Assembly plant in Belevedere, Illinois. Natividad has state-of-the-art oprating rooms, Computed Tomography and Magnetic Resonance Imaging, fully equipped 24 hour emergency rooms, and much more. And medical attention here is essentially full because almost everyone who winds up here is uninsured.

Last year, 2,735 babies were born at Natividad. 32% of these were born to out-of-wedlock teenage mothers, 93% of which were Hispanic. Less that 20% could show proof of citizenship, and 71% listed their native language as Spanish. Of these 876 births, only 40 were covered under any kind of private health insurance. The taxpayers paid for the other 836. And in case you are wondering about the entire 2,735 babies that were born here, less than 24% involved insured coverage or even partial payment on behalf of the patient to the hospital in exchange for services.

Now consider this. If I want to upgrade my policy to a low- deductible premium policy, such as what I had with my last employer, my cost will be $886 per month. But my girlfriend can upgrade her policy for just $4 per month. A total of $48 per year for a zero-deductible, premium health care policy- the kind you get when you work for IBM (except when you work for IBM your healthcare for this type policy runs from $170 per month or more, not $4 per month.

This is my aside... Is there any wonder that so many have dropped out of the job market? We that kept working are the fools because if we had jumped on the bandwagon when Lyndon Johnson started making it so lucrative to become bums we would not have to worry about anything at all now. Just think! Our food would be paid for, our housing paid for, our utilities paid for, our medical would cost us less that a carton of cigarettes a month, we would have a free telephone with ample minutes paid for each month, Our children would get a free clothing allowance each year, we would get a check each month and we would never have to worry about getting laid off from work because we would never have to worry about the degradation of working at a mean old job.

Aren't the Democrats kind to bums?