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Dec 27, 2013 17:39:52   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
Building a fire during Christmas might be a family tradition of yours, and depending on the weather, you may have built one on Christmas morning.
But it’s illegal in San Francisco. Just during Christmas. Christmas Eve and extending through Christmas Day. KTVU reported:
The Bay Area Air Quality Management District has issued the season’s 17th Winter Spare the Air Alert for Tuesday, officials announced.
The alert bans the burning of wood, manufactured fire logs or any other solid fuel both indoors and outdoors for 24 hours.
Although a strong weather system moved through the Bay Area late last week, air quality officials said, a high pressure system has set up across the region and pollution was once again forecast to reach unhealthy levels .
“We want everyone to enjoy their holiday this week, but unfortunately, weather conditions are causing unhealthy, muddy air again,” said Jack Broadbent, executive officer of the Bay Area Air District. “Air is forecast to be extremely unhealthy this week so it is imperative that residents protect air quality and not burn in their indoor or outdoor fireplaces.”

It is illegal for Bay Area residents and businesses to use their fireplaces, woodstoves, pellet stoves, outdoor fire pits or any other wood-burning devices during the alert.
Homes without permanently installed heating, where woodstoves or fireplaces are the only source of heat, are exempt, officials said.
Air quality officials said that like cigarette smoke, wood smoke contains fine particles and carcinogenic substances that make the air harmful to breathe. Wood smoke is the major source of air pollution in the Bay Area in the wintertime and is especially harmful to children, the elderly, and people with respiratory conditions.
First-time violators will be given the option of taking a wood smoke awareness class, online or by mail, to learn about the hazards of wood smoke pollution in lieu of paying a $100 ticket. Second violations will result in a $500 ticket, and subsequent ticket amounts will be higher.
They try to make it sound so reasonable by claiming they’re concerned about air pollution. I think they just want to make a buck or two during Christmas. Maybe they’ll send their bureaucrats around with nose telescopes, sniffing for wood smoke and hoping to catch violators. And who’s going to want to go to some lame “wood smoke awareness” class? Most violators would probably opt to just pay the fine and be done with it.
Prohibiting people from building a fire in their own fireplace is definitely ridiculous. It’s kind of like prohibiting people from washing their car in their own driveway. If it’s not about money, it’s about control.

Read more at http://lastresistance.com/4166/san-francisco-bans-use-fireplaces-christmas/#8osAZLYIbrMRDH8a.99

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Dec 27, 2013 17:47:15   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
Maybe you like to choke on smoke but while a little smoke here & there may not be so bad. To much smoke is not good for breathing.

I would forgo my rights to have a wood fire when the air quality is bad.

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Dec 27, 2013 17:53:09   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
Maybe you like to choke on smoke but while a little smoke here & there may not be so bad. To much smoke is not good for breathing.

I would forgo my rights to have a wood fire when the air quality is bad.


Then you are OK with the usage of fireplaces the other 364 days of the year?

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Dec 27, 2013 18:09:17   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
Old_Gringo wrote:
Then you are OK with the usage of fireplaces the other 364 days of the year?


I will come clean. I do not have a wood burning fire place.

But having lived during the time when wood burning for cooking & heating was common one lived with it.

Living in the country where homes were not so close the smell never got real bad.

I tried to say that if burning wood was a problem I wouldn't fight the ban on wood burning. I would live by the spirit of the ban.

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Dec 27, 2013 18:11:36   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
I will come clean. I do not have a wood burning fire place.

But having lived during the time when wood burning for cooking & heating was common one lived with it.

Living in the country where homes were not so close the smell never got real bad.

I tried to say that if burning wood was a problem I wouldn't fight the ban on wood burning. I would live by the spirit of the ban.


Did you ever suffer any ill effects from being in the proximity of the heating and cooking wood burning stoves/fireplaces?

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Dec 27, 2013 19:50:09   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
Old_Gringo wrote:
Did you ever suffer any ill effects from being in the proximity of the heating and cooking wood burning stoves/fireplaces?


I don't think that I was harmed in any way from this.

There were only 4 places or maybe 1 other that were within a mile.

For a few years we live across the road from my grandparents & they cooked & heated with wood.

We had a furnace in our basement that used wood.

On trying to think of what we had for cooking I don't recall.
I was 8 or 9 till 13 or 14. I don't think it was wood But don't recall it being gas. I remember the furnace used wood because I cut down trees & cut them up to burn in it. I even tore down most of an old barn to burn up. It just turned out that I tended the furnace & when there wasn't any wood I would just cut some. I am sure that my dad bought most of what we burned but I can't tell you just how much.

As I think back the only thing bad that happened is when we lived in the area several years earlier.

I was 5 when I started the 1st grade & walked to school with a couple of uncles who were just a little older than me.

As we walked we meet up with other kids. a girl several years older than me was walking behind me & kicking my heels & telling we to get out of her way. I moved over & she did too & kept kicking me. We didn't live there long before we moved.

We did move a lot.

We never had a lot but I never felt that I was missing any thing. Most others didn't have much either.

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Dec 27, 2013 20:06:34   #
emarine
 
Old_Gringo wrote:
Building a fire during Christmas might be a family tradition of yours, and depending on the weather, you may have built one on Christmas morning.
But it’s illegal in San Francisco. Just during Christmas. Christmas Eve and extending through Christmas Day. KTVU reported:
The Bay Area Air Quality Management District has issued the season’s 17th Winter Spare the Air Alert for Tuesday, officials announced.
The alert bans the burning of wood, manufactured fire logs or any other solid fuel both indoors and outdoors for 24 hours.
Although a strong weather system moved through the Bay Area late last week, air quality officials said, a high pressure system has set up across the region and pollution was once again forecast to reach unhealthy levels .
“We want everyone to enjoy their holiday this week, but unfortunately, weather conditions are causing unhealthy, muddy air again,” said Jack Broadbent, executive officer of the Bay Area Air District. “Air is forecast to be extremely unhealthy this week so it is imperative that residents protect air quality and not burn in their indoor or outdoor fireplaces.”

It is illegal for Bay Area residents and businesses to use their fireplaces, woodstoves, pellet stoves, outdoor fire pits or any other wood-burning devices during the alert.
Homes without permanently installed heating, where woodstoves or fireplaces are the only source of heat, are exempt, officials said.
Air quality officials said that like cigarette smoke, wood smoke contains fine particles and carcinogenic substances that make the air harmful to breathe. Wood smoke is the major source of air pollution in the Bay Area in the wintertime and is especially harmful to children, the elderly, and people with respiratory conditions.
First-time violators will be given the option of taking a wood smoke awareness class, online or by mail, to learn about the hazards of wood smoke pollution in lieu of paying a $100 ticket. Second violations will result in a $500 ticket, and subsequent ticket amounts will be higher.
They try to make it sound so reasonable by claiming they’re concerned about air pollution. I think they just want to make a buck or two during Christmas. Maybe they’ll send their bureaucrats around with nose telescopes, sniffing for wood smoke and hoping to catch violators. And who’s going to want to go to some lame “wood smoke awareness” class? Most violators would probably opt to just pay the fine and be done with it.
Prohibiting people from building a fire in their own fireplace is definitely ridiculous. It’s kind of like prohibiting people from washing their car in their own driveway. If it’s not about money, it’s about control.

Read more at http://lastresistance.com/4166/san-francisco-bans-use-fireplaces-christmas/#8osAZLYIbrMRDH8a.99
Building a fire during Christmas might be a family... (show quote)


Well how is Santa gona give you some free stuff if you try to fry his butt... for as old as you are...you don't know squat :lol:

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Dec 27, 2013 20:09:37   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
emarine wrote:
Well how is Santa gona give you some free stuff if you try to fry his butt... for as old as you are...you don't know squat :lol:


He has the new fire r****dant clothing now.

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Dec 27, 2013 20:24:12   #
emarine
 
Old_Gringo wrote:
He has the new fire r****dant clothing now.


Someone said if you drink enough Gatorade you cant burn, The FDA lets them use fire r****dant to keep the color mixed :shock:

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Dec 27, 2013 20:26:25   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
emarine wrote:
Someone said if you drink enough Gatorade you cant burn, The FDA lets them use fire r****dant to keep the color mixed :shock:


I wasn't aware they utilized it for color. I was under the impression it was used to enhance the taste. Thanks for enlightening me.

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Dec 28, 2013 11:59:25   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
emarine wrote:
Someone said if you drink enough Gatorade you cant burn, The FDA lets them use fire r****dant to keep the color mixed :shock:


I think I am not putting to much junk in my system with my choices of food & drink, but I guess I will never know how much I will never know about.

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Dec 28, 2013 12:31:49   #
Bigmac495 Loc: Indiana
 
Old_Gringo wrote:
Building a fire during Christmas might be a family tradition of yours, and depending on the weather, you may have built one on Christmas morning.
But it’s illegal in San Francisco. Just during Christmas. Christmas Eve and extending through Christmas Day. KTVU reported:
The Bay Area Air Quality Management District has issued the season’s 17th Winter Spare the Air Alert for Tuesday, officials announced.
The alert bans the burning of wood, manufactured fire logs or any other solid fuel both indoors and outdoors for 24 hours.
Although a strong weather system moved through the Bay Area late last week, air quality officials said, a high pressure system has set up across the region and pollution was once again forecast to reach unhealthy levels .
“We want everyone to enjoy their holiday this week, but unfortunately, weather conditions are causing unhealthy, muddy air again,” said Jack Broadbent, executive officer of the Bay Area Air District. “Air is forecast to be extremely unhealthy this week so it is imperative that residents protect air quality and not burn in their indoor or outdoor fireplaces.”

It is illegal for Bay Area residents and businesses to use their fireplaces, woodstoves, pellet stoves, outdoor fire pits or any other wood-burning devices during the alert.
Homes without permanently installed heating, where woodstoves or fireplaces are the only source of heat, are exempt, officials said.
Air quality officials said that like cigarette smoke, wood smoke contains fine particles and carcinogenic substances that make the air harmful to breathe. Wood smoke is the major source of air pollution in the Bay Area in the wintertime and is especially harmful to children, the elderly, and people with respiratory conditions.
First-time violators will be given the option of taking a wood smoke awareness class, online or by mail, to learn about the hazards of wood smoke pollution in lieu of paying a $100 ticket. Second violations will result in a $500 ticket, and subsequent ticket amounts will be higher.
They try to make it sound so reasonable by claiming they’re concerned about air pollution. I think they just want to make a buck or two during Christmas. Maybe they’ll send their bureaucrats around with nose telescopes, sniffing for wood smoke and hoping to catch violators. And who’s going to want to go to some lame “wood smoke awareness” class? Most violators would probably opt to just pay the fine and be done with it.
Prohibiting people from building a fire in their own fireplace is definitely ridiculous. It’s kind of like prohibiting people from washing their car in their own driveway. If it’s not about money, it’s about control.

Read more at http://lastresistance.com/4166/san-francisco-bans-use-fireplaces-christmas/#8osAZLYIbrMRDH8a.99
Building a fire during Christmas might be a family... (show quote)


Believe it or not , the little town I live in does ban Washing your car in your driveway.
You cannot burn leaves outside if the smoke drifts over on your neighbors property and causes them distress !
You cannot discharge you sump pump water in the sewer , on the ground outside . or onto the streets !
You cannot play music in your house or car after 10:00 P.M. that annoys your neighbor !
You cannot let any grass clippings or leaves from your lawn fall into the street gutters!
For such a town of about 2800 people I think there is a ordinance for each one of us !

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Dec 28, 2013 12:59:51   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
Bigmac495 wrote:
Believe it or not , the little town I live in does ban Washing your car in your driveway.
You cannot burn leaves outside if the smoke drifts over on your neighbors property and causes them distress !
You cannot discharge you sump pump water in the sewer , on the ground outside . or onto the streets !
You cannot play music in your house or car after 10:00 P.M. that annoys your neighbor !
You cannot let any grass clippings or leaves from your lawn fall into the street gutters!
For such a town of about 2800 people I think there is a ordinance for each one of us !
Believe it or not , the little town I live in does... (show quote)


While I as one try to get along with my neighbors with out getting nit-picky I can see why the are lots of rules out there.

We all would like to live in a peaceful & neat area so we tend to chose places that seem to be what we like.

Places where things like this happen is where many chose to live. With out written rules if it works or with as many rules as it takes.

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Dec 28, 2013 16:47:24   #
angery american Loc: Georgia
 
Bigmac495 wrote:
Believe it or not , the little town I live in does ban Washing your car in your driveway.
You cannot burn leaves outside if the smoke drifts over on your neighbors property and causes them distress !
You cannot discharge you sump pump water in the sewer , on the ground outside . or onto the streets !
You cannot play music in your house or car after 10:00 P.M. that annoys your neighbor !
You cannot let any grass clippings or leaves from your lawn fall into the street gutters!
For such a town of about 2800 people I think there is a ordinance for each one of us !
Believe it or not , the little town I live in does... (show quote)


I wonder what happens if you fart in public in this town ?

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Dec 28, 2013 16:58:13   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
angery american wrote:
I wonder what happens if you fart in public in this town ?


The EPA will arrest you for gaseous emissions.

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