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Dec 27, 2013 00:04:18   #
Armageddun Loc: The show me state
 
Armageddun wrote:
We must be close to the same age..... I'm 70


And your right many of the left are now college prof's. etc.

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Dec 27, 2013 00:09:01   #
Armageddun Loc: The show me state
 
cesspool jones wrote:
Those who protested back then set this country into a nosedive


Amen!

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Dec 27, 2013 06:08:52   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
bmac32 wrote:
They were what? VERY CAREFUL??? Weather Underground Organization bombed NYC were first organized in 1969 as a faction of Students for a Democratic Society. With revolutionary positions characterized by Black power and opposition to the Vietnam War, the group conducted a campaign of bombings through the mid-1970s, and took part in actions such as the jailbreak of Timothy Leary. The "Days of Rage", their first public demonstration on October 8, 1969, was a r**t in Chicago timed to coincide with the trial of the Chicago Seven. In 1970 the group issued a "Declaration of a State of War" against the United States government, under the name "Weather Underground Organization" Now who was a member of the WUO, maybe Bill Ayers.
They were what? VERY CAREFUL??? Weather Undergroun... (show quote)


All these things happened in the late sixties, not the early part. Most of the civil rights protest stuff was done by then. You're correct, but off by a couple of years.

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Dec 27, 2013 08:32:17   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
Am 64. When kid next door came home in a body bag it made me grow up real quick.


Armageddun wrote:
We must be close to the same age..... I'm 70

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Dec 27, 2013 21:09:52   #
jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI
 
bmac32 wrote:
They were what? VERY CAREFUL??? Weather Underground Organization bombed NYC were first organized in 1969 as a faction of Students for a Democratic Society. With revolutionary positions characterized by Black power and opposition to the Vietnam War, the group conducted a campaign of bombings through the mid-1970s, and took part in actions such as the jailbreak of Timothy Leary. The "Days of Rage", their first public demonstration on October 8, 1969, was a r**t in Chicago timed to coincide with the trial of the Chicago Seven. In 1970 the group issued a "Declaration of a State of War" against the United States government, under the name "Weather Underground Organization" Now who was a member of the WUO, maybe Bill Ayers.
They were what? VERY CAREFUL??? Weather Undergroun... (show quote)


Read my post very carefully again, Mac. I spoke of 2 contrasting demonstration causes--(1) early 60s civil rights cause very careful to avoid extremes and violence and (2) the late 60s & early 70s antiwar cause used by extreme l*****ts to promote revolutionary thinking and violence on behalf of international c*******m. You attribute to me the opposite of my statement about the antiwar business. I appreciate the detailing you provide about the extreme l*****t manipulation of the antiwar issue (which I compare to extreme right manipulation of various issues, by the way), but I decidedly object to your misrepresentation of what I said. If one of the more rabid OPP rightwingnuts had made this misrepresentation, I would have thought it deliberate or misreading from rabid partisanship, but in your case I'll assume mere hurried reading.

By the way, the secretary-treasurer (key control position) of ADA was a student at U-W when I was a grad student there in 60-62--don't remember the name now but did when I read an article about ADA in the day of the demonstrations. He was either a c*******t or Trotskyite at U-W (I think com but not sure), nice kid & did not discuss politics with, so no idea what his specific views were. U-W at the time was where socialists, c*******ts, etc. sent their children. I assumed from what I knew that the ADA was c*******t controlled when I read the name of the secretary-treasurer. Just like I assume from posts that various OPP posters are extreme right nuts...my wife keeps telling me I leap to conclusions from single instances with all sorts of things. Hmm, maybe I should be careful...that's a marker of the rightwingnuts!

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Dec 27, 2013 21:16:04   #
jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI
 
Armageddun wrote:
And your right many of- the left are now college prof's. etc.


Yes, my brother-in-law is a prof and a Dem (if that's what you mean by left)--a West Point grad and Nam vet. So much for your etc.

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Dec 27, 2013 21:49:48   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
Maybe you need to read up on Bill Ayers and when he started the WU. He and his group were never careful and wanted the attention. It was when the antiwar crowd become front page that he jumped in for the attention. Birds of feather ....



jonhatfield wrote:
Read my post very carefully again, Mac. I spoke of 2 contrasting demonstration causes--(1) early 60s civil rights cause very careful to avoid extremes and violence and (2) the late 60s & early 70s antiwar cause used by extreme l*****ts to promote revolutionary thinking and violence on behalf of international c*******m. You attribute to me the opposite of my statement about the antiwar business. I appreciate the detailing you provide about the extreme l*****t manipulation of the antiwar issue (which I compare to extreme right manipulation of various issues, by the way), but I decidedly object to your misrepresentation of what I said. If one of the more rabid OPP rightwingnuts had made this misrepresentation, I would have thought it deliberate or misreading from rabid partisanship, but in your case I'll assume mere hurried reading.

By the way, the secretary-treasurer (key control position) of ADA was a student at U-W when I was a grad student there in 60-62--don't remember the name now but did when I read an article about ADA in the day of the demonstrations. He was either a c*******t or Trotskyite at U-W (I think com but not sure), nice kid & did not discuss politics with, so no idea what his specific views were. U-W at the time was where socialists, c*******ts, etc. sent their children. I assumed from what I knew that the ADA was c*******t controlled when I read the name of the secretary-treasurer. Just like I assume from posts that various OPP posters are extreme right nuts...my wife keeps telling me I leap to conclusions from single instances with all sorts of things. Hmm, maybe I should be careful...that's a marker of the rightwingnuts!
Read my post very carefully again, Mac. I spoke of... (show quote)

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Dec 27, 2013 23:29:28   #
jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI
 
bmac32 wrote:
Maybe you need to read up on Bill Ayers and when he started the WU. He and his group were never careful and wanted the attention. It was when the antiwar crowd become front page that he jumped in for the attention. Birds of feather ....


I have no particular interest in the antiwar crowd beyond knowing that the c****es used that issue 40 years ago. No interest in whoever Ayers was or is.

Are you going to acknowledge your misreading or misrepresentation, Mac? Wanna be the first in your camp?

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Dec 28, 2013 00:15:25   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
You mean that Ayers is an Obama backer, that the Ayers family helped Obama?

It make little difference if you interested or not, birds of feather ...



jonhatfield wrote:
I have no particular interest in the antiwar crowd beyond knowing that the c****es used that issue 40 years ago. No interest in whoever Ayers was or is.

Are you going to acknowledge your misreading or misrepresentation, Mac? Wanna be the first in your camp?

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Dec 28, 2013 00:31:23   #
jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI
 
bmac32 wrote:
You mean that Ayers is an Obama backer, that the Ayers family helped Obama?

It make little difference if you interested or not, birds of feather ...


STILL NO ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF YOUR MISREPRESENTATION, MAC? THE RECORD NOW STANDS YOU ARE A DELIBERATE LIAR.

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Dec 28, 2013 03:20:51   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
bmac32 wrote:
You mean that Ayers is an Obama backer, that the Ayers family helped Obama?

It make little difference if you interested or not, birds of feather ...


See The Obama File

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As part of her t***sition out of power, Alice Palmer introduced her successor, Barack Obama, to a few of the district's influential liberals at the home of left-wing terrorists, William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn -- long-time friends of the Obamas.

As noted by David Horowitz:


On the morning of the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, along with a million other readers of the New York Times including many who would never be able to read the paper again, I opened its pages to be confronted by a color photo showing a middle-aged couple holding hands and affecting a defiant look at the camera. The article was headlined in an irony that could not have been more poignant, "No Regrets For A Love Of Explosives." The couple pictured were Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, former leaders of the 1960s' Weather Underground, America's first terrorist cult. One of their bombing targets, as it happened, was the Pentagon.

While Ayers and Dohrn, who, in July, 1969, traveled to Cuba and met with representatives of the North Vietnamese and Cuban governments, may be thought of in Hyde Park as local activists, they're better known nationally as two of the most notorious -- and unrepentant -- figures from the violent fringe of the 1960s anti-war movement. These two d******c t*******ts have written and spoken at length about their pasts -- their bombings and robberies -- and today he is an advocate for progressive education and a professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago; she's an associate professor of law at Northwestern University.

William (Bill) Ayers went underground with several comrades after their co-conspirators' bomb accidentally exploded on March 6, 1970, destroying a Greenwich Village townhouse and k*****g three members of the Weather Underground (Ted Gold, Terry Robbins, and Diana Oughton, who was Ayers' girlfriend at the time). He and his colleagues invented identities and traveled continuously. They avoided the police and FBI, while bombing high-profile government buildings including; the United States Capitol, The Pentagon, and the Harry S. Truman Building housing the State Department. Living underground, Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn raised two children, Zayd and Malik, (Muslim names) before turning themselves in in 1981, when most charges were dropped because of what Ayers described as "extreme governmental misconduct" during the long search for the fugitives.

Dohrn served seven months in a NYC federal jail in 1983 for refusing to testify before a grand jury investigating the Brinks robbery of 1981, in which two policemen and a security guard were k**led.

Dohrn worked in a baby boutique in 1979 where stolen customer ID's were used to rent trucks used in the series of robberies culminating in the 1981 slaughter in which 9 kids lost their fathers, the youngest of which was six-months.

Because of the criminal convictions Dohrn, who received a law degree from the University of Chicago in 1967, was refused admission to the New York bar.

Nonetheless, she was hired as a legal clerk by Sidley and Austin, a major Chicago law firm, in their New York office in 1984. Howard Trienens, then managing partner of the firm, recently told the Chicago Tribune that he arranged the hiring of Dohrn as a favor to his fellow Northwestern University trustee and classmate, Tom Ayers. Tom Ayers' firm, Commonwealth Edison, has used Sidley as outside counsel for many years. She later worked in their Chicago office when she and Bill Ayers moved back to Chicago in 1987. She left Sidley in 1988.

Update: In 1989, Obama was a summer intern at Michelle Obama's law firm. One of Michelle's co-workers was Bernadine Dohrn. So the relationship between the Obamas and Ayers has spanned twenty years.

One of the best known contacts between Obama and Ayers was when the couple hosted a "meet and greet" for Obama at Ayers house in Hyde Park -– an upper middle class neighborhood on Chicago's south side, where Obama now lives as a neighbor of Louis Farrakhan.
As part of her t***sition out of power, Alice Palm... (show quote)


More on Obama's C*******t pals brought to you by a Florida PI.

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Obama selected Trinity United. He selected the Rev. Jeremiah Wright. Wright married Barack and Michelle. He blessed their home in Hyde Park. He baptized the Obamas' daughters. Obama initially wanted Wright to deliver the invocation when Obama announced his run for the presidency.

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Dec 28, 2013 10:09:29   #
jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI
 
reply to Blade's post of info on Ayers...so all these references to Ayers on OPP are supposed to be proof of the fantasy that the Prez is a c****e? Sorry I'm not up-to-date on all the references and proofs cited for fantasies. Interesting but not something I'm into...not interested in JFK, Lincoln, etc. assassination fantasies either, thank you.

Was the Commonwealth Edison and Ayers connection for real? Oh my, now the rightwingnut club will think Wall Street is part of the "conspiracy against America" you people imagine. Perhaps I shouldn't ridicule the rightwingnut delusional camp on OPP so much...after all, delusional thinking has been a hobby with some people ever since the Lincoln assassination. Maybe conspiracy delusions are, after all, normal in some weird way.

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Dec 28, 2013 11:36:57   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
Wh**ever, can't understand it for you.


jonhatfield wrote:
STILL NO ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF YOUR MISREPRESENTATION, MAC? THE RECORD NOW STANDS YOU ARE A DELIBERATE LIAR.

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Dec 28, 2013 12:20:58   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
jonhatfield wrote:
Sorry I'm not up-to-date on all the references and proofs cited for fantasies.
That is understandable. In order to be "up-to-date" on anything, one must take an objective PoV and apply logic, reason, and critical thinking. Snubbing one's nose at an enormous body of evidence provided by innumerable credible sources and passing this off as "fantasies" is the easiest lie one can tell himself to avoid dealing with facts. It is a comforting, self-pleasing delusion, known in more specific terms, as denial.

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Dec 28, 2013 15:50:33   #
jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
That is understandable. In order to be "up-to-date" on anything, one must take an objective PoV and apply logic, reason, and critical thinking. Snubbing one's nose at an enormous body of evidence provided by innumerable credible sources and passing this off as "fantasies" is the easiest lie one can tell himself to avoid dealing with facts. It is a comforting, self-pleasing delusion, known in more specific terms, as denial.


"innumerable credible sources"??? Certainly many INCREDIBLE sources that only delusional people would believe. I have yet to see a single extreme rightwingnut post on OPP that's objective, much less with anything remotely resembling logic, reason, or critical thinking. Hasn't it occurred to you that your viewpoint is peculiar since ZERO credible sources give any credit to your & your extremist fellow travelers' notions? Doesn't it give you pause that mainstream persons (90% of Americans) view your side as strange? Can so innumerable number of mainstream persons and sources be totally wrong? I suppose remotely possible, but the odds are like 99.999% that the mainstream is right on the whole about your peculiar extremisms. In other words, Blade, I'm not the one in denial...you are.

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