War Christ
Dec 23, 2013 19:44:30 #
HawaiiWhig67 wrote:
Sorry Octave, I disagree. br br The Democrats DON... (show quote)
There are some that get trapped in the system, but I have know many that needed help getting through a tough time and didn't get trapped. There was a time many years ago that food stamps helped me through a tough time, and unemployment helped too. Even Paul Ryan admits to his family getting aid temporarily.
Just because the system, isn't prefect doesn't mean we should let people go hungry.
Dec 23, 2013 20:05:07 #
octive9 wrote:
There are some that get trapped in the system, but I have know many that needed help getting through a tough time and didn't get trapped. There was a time many years ago that food stamps helped me through a tough time, and unemployment helped too. Even Paul Ryan admits to his family getting aid temporarily.
Just because the system, isn't prefect doesn't mean we should let people go hungry.
Just because the system, isn't prefect doesn't mean we should let people go hungry.
True we shouldn't let people starve, but don't you think churches and other non-profit organizations could do a better job rather than dealing with all of the red tape and delays as well as the control?
Dec 23, 2013 20:16:10 #
octive9 wrote:
There are some that get trapped in the system, but I have know many that needed help getting through a tough time and didn't get trapped. There was a time many years ago that food stamps helped me through a tough time, and unemployment helped too. Even Paul Ryan admits to his family getting aid temporarily.
Just because the system, isn't prefect doesn't mean we should let people go hungry.
Just because the system, isn't prefect doesn't mean we should let people go hungry.
They don't always ensure that you stay on them. I had some serious back surgery, and got food stamps for a few months while I was rehabbing, and doing therapy. There is a difference. I have two kids and got them grown and out of the house without any food stamps and government programs. You mean to tell me these "hard working" wetbacks, most of whom have a million kids, can't do the same? There is a difference between someone who needs this help for a limited time, and someone who makes a lifesyle choice out of it.
Dec 23, 2013 20:25:11 #
HawaiiWhig67 wrote:
True we shouldn't let people starve, but don't you think churches and other non-profit organizations could do a better job rather than dealing with all of the red tape and delays as well as the control?
That would be the ideal. Unfortunately the churches and non-profits fall short, so government picks up the slack, and adds its corruption with it.
Dec 23, 2013 20:32:00 #
octive9 wrote:
That would be the ideal. Unfortunately the churches and non-profits fall short, so government picks up the slack, and adds its corruption with it.
I'm about to stir the hornets nest. I think the real problem isn't government as much as SOCIETY.
Our society has been invaded by long hair, pot smoking hippies that believe government can solve everything. We need to v**e in real people not social workers who think they have all the answers.
I should say that the hippies are needed; they made cell phones, computers, this blasted internet thing. They just need to stay out of governing or accept that they are going to lead us into socialism.
Dec 23, 2013 20:34:58 #
christian soilder wrote:
Armageddun,I totally agree with you...From the sma... (show quote)
Amen
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Dec 23, 2013 20:36:26 #
Dec 23, 2013 21:13:56 #
HawaiiWhig67 wrote:
I'm about to stir the hornets nest. I think the r... (show quote)
Somehow socialism has gotten a bad name. You used the word society, which eludes to a mass of people acting as a unit. Is it socialism to pay taxes to fund the military that is supposed to protect us, or police, supposedly to keep our streets safe. Is you local library socialism? There are many facets of society that are socialistic. Socialism isn't the problem, corruption is.
Welfare programs to help those in need are an ethical, valuable asset to a society. Welfare to the billionaires, as in subsidies to oil companies, are not ethical, and the other side of that coin, billionaires funding politics, is corruption.
As much as I don't like paying taxes, I am all right with helping my fellow man in need, but I am not alright with funding corruption.
Dec 23, 2013 21:16:31 #
They fall short because Liberals don't donate enough time or money. They just talk
octive9 wrote:
That would be the ideal. Unfortunately the churches and non-profits fall short, so government picks up the slack, and adds its corruption with it.
Dec 23, 2013 21:27:09 #
octive9 wrote:
That would be the ideal. Unfortunately the churches and non-profits fall short, so government picks up the slack, and adds its corruption with it.
There is a big difference between a hand out and a hand up. If a man WON'T work neither should he eat.
Dec 23, 2013 21:31:12 #
Armageddun wrote:
There is a big difference between a hand out and a hand up. If a man WON'T work neither should he eat.
Interesting that you would use that quote while I am watching All In talking about a Republican congressman using that same quote to justify cutting food stamps, while he has raked in millions in farm subsidies.
Dec 23, 2013 21:39:16 #
octive9 wrote:
Interesting that you would use that quote while I am watching All In talking about a Republican congressman using that same quote to justify cutting food stamps, while he has raked in millions in farm subsidies.
I seem to remember someone of obammers wifes friend that received over 600 + million for a web site that was neither bid on or even worked.
Dec 23, 2013 21:44:04 #
Armageddun wrote:
I seem to remember someone of obammers wifes friend that received over 600 + million for a web site that was neither bid on or even worked.
That is the problem. Corruption involving millions goes unnoticed and they make a big deal out of giving a family $130 a month so they can eat. Inside out, upside down and backwards.
Dec 23, 2013 21:54:00 #
octive9 wrote:
That is the problem. Corruption involving millions goes unnoticed and they make a big deal out of giving a family $130 a month so they can eat. Inside out, upside down and backwards.
I beg to differ with you on 130.00 I believe it is considerably more than that. People in the food pantry that I work in say their food stamps have been reduced from 10.00 up to 30.00 a month. Not an earth shattering amt. especially when they have several food pantries they go on a weekly basis.
Dec 23, 2013 21:58:30 #
So they could eat? Or sell EBT cards on Craigslist?
octive9 wrote:
That is the problem. Corruption involving millions goes unnoticed and they make a big deal out of giving a family $130 a month so they can eat. Inside out, upside down and backwards.
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