PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.

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slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

No, and I think neither the greatest orators or writers in the world could convince you/others that they aren't.

There is no question in my mind, if he were in violation, there wouldn't be enough support in the House to proceed with impeachment. Darryl Issa has repeatedly tried to pin something on him, and failed. I am not so cynical as to believe that the GOP-controlled House would not go after him if the evidence was there. The Senate would roll if the evidence were there...regardless of what many think.

In the bitter, politicized world that exists in Washington, D.C, there are enough detractors of the President, that it would happen. Issa has been looking for something to nail him on for his entire time in office. The effort has been made, and, so far, failed.

As you said in an earlier thread, it is up to the v**ers to bring the change needed in our government. I have been saying the same thing since soon after entering the OPP.

Unless, of course, you/others propose an armed uprising to correct wrongs, as you see them, then we are resigned to making the system work for us...by staying within it.

Personally, I do not want to see another "civil war".

PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.

There is more than enough support in the House to begin bringing Obama to justice, however there is no support in the Senate with Reid running the "show" over there. He wouldn't even allow it to come to a v**e. That is why there is no action coming from the House, they are fully aware it would be an exercise of futility. Therefore the House is awaiting the 2014 midterm e******ns hoping for a Republican victory in the Senate while retaining the House.

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

Cooler heads must prevail.

Cooler heads will prevail.

Cooler heads don't seem to do so well on this forum.

Closed minds block out the coolness.

PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.

You seem to fit very well into that category.

Brian Devon

Are political parties ever demoralized when the opposition calls them evil??????....in any country??? I think not. Anyone in politics takes such comments with a big grain of salt. For most it is just par for the course and just part of the job.

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

Salty, you may well be right. However, if the House acts, and proceeds with impeachment hearings, and the evidence is strong enough...I believe the Senate would have to act. I'm not sure if Reid could stop the proceedings, if the evidence was damaging enough. I think if it were, they would have already begun, long ago.
I am all for any proceeding that follows the constitutional process, and would be content to live with consequences of said action. Any impeachment process, regardless of the outcome, will only further disenfranchise a large part of the public.

Again, time will tell.

VladimirPee

And Obama's biggest problem stems from Obamacare. Something the GOP Opposed. Too bad they didn't succeed.

Brian Devon

What part of ZERO do you impeachment advocates not get? Zero is the number of presidents impeached, convicted, and removed from office. You will have to just wait your turn in the next e******n. That's what out-of-power parties always do. The only people for whom impeachment talk makes sense are the right wing pundits who have mega$$$$$$ book deals and mega$$$$$$ speaking engagements. Fear sells!!!!!!

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

Am I to pick out just the one you picked.

Or would you be so kind as to tell me the line you chose.

VladimirPee

I don't want impeachment. It will only make him a martyr. Let him keep failing on his own.

PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.

Many, if not most, politicians take umbrage at being considered evil. They truly don't see themselves as such. They may not be, in their own mind, but their actions can be considered so by many of their constituents. I don't think many of them are inherently evil, but their politics, in my opinion, certainly border on it. However, Reid, Nasty Peelosi, Jackson-Lee and Waters certainly fall into that category.

oldladyfromwaco

IMHO, O's greatest problems stem from the use of the executive order to minimize or erase our rights, liberties, and freedoms. He has done more to remove them than any previous president.

Brian Devon

I don't really believe that politicians take umbrage at being considered evil by their opposition. Most are pretty thick skinned narcissists who are in love with their own voices. When they howl with wounded p***e, it is usually with all of the sincerity of a WWE wrestler (the f**e kind, not the college kind).

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

I believe you are wrong on the impeachment. Since 1797 the House of Representatives has impeached sixteen federal officials. These include two presidents, a cabinet member, a senator, a justice of the Supreme Court, and eleven federal judges. Of those, the Senate has convicted and removed seven, all of them judges. Not included in this list are the office holders who have resigned rather than face impeachment, most notably, President Richard M. Nixon. Neither, Presidents Andrew Johnson or Bill Clinton were convicted. Johnson was saved from being found guilty by the Senate by one v**e. Bill Clinton was a different story. Clinton was impeached on two counts, grand jury perjury (228–206) and obstruction of justice (221–212), with the v**es split along party lines. The Senate Republicans, however, were unable to gather enough support to achieve the two-thirds majority required for his conviction. On Feb. 12, 1999, the Senate acquitted President Clinton on both counts. The perjury charge failed by a v**e of 55–45, with 10 Republicans v****g against impeachment along with all 45 Democrats. The obstruction of justice v**e was 50–50, with 5 Republicans breaking ranks to v**e against impeachment.

Of thirty-five attempts at impeachment, only nine have come to trial. Because it cripples Congress with a lengthy trial, impeachment is infrequent. Many officials, seeing the writing on the wall, resign rather than face the ignominy of a public trial.

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/presday1.html

You will need to dig when you go to this site, but it is all there.