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Dec 19, 2013 23:28:12   #
Ghost Loc: The 1st state to ever secede
 
rumitoid wrote:
Sorry, what in that link supports anything you had to say about me? Second, bring reasonable criticism and I will listen; dumb insult is water off a duck's back.


Oh if anyone wants to see your consistent hypocrisy look no further than your own posting history, rumitoid.

For instance this is that understanding and “can’t we just work it out together and sing kumbaya?” type rumitoid at times:

rumitoid wrote:
I am getting tired with myself getting tired with responding or just reading many posts here. "Grow up!" I command myself but it does not relieve the sadness at what I have read. So much ugliness. It doesn't have to be this way. Disagreement does not have to mean conflict; it should mean getting a broader look at the topic. Yet we are either at each others' throats at the connivance of our so-called leaders or sickeningly jubilant, a dark joy, over the fall or trip of our relegated enemy. Disturbing. We are becoming complacent puppets.

How do we cut those strings? In what will seem like the most deplorable way possible: we look to compromise. We listen instead of attack. We act as Devil's advocates against our own firm and righteous outlooks. We offer an Olive Branch where we have gotten spit and disrespect. We earnestly search for t***h in what we would normally take as propaganda or lies. Or America dies from our hubris.
I am getting tired with myself getting tired with... (show quote)


rumitoid wrote:
What do both sides of we the people share? Forget about Congress. What issues bring we the people together in one voice? On Social issues and Obamacare we remain perhaps ever divided, and usually vehemently. Gun control? Forget about it!
The question is: where do we come together, are united? Find that one issue and I truly believe the rest will work itself out. Why? For we the people will have once again not only found our voice and strength but our interdependence in the quest for liberty in e pluribus unum.
Special interest has no interest in said solutions...or we the people. Find the one issue and we the people...are back!
What do both sides of we the people share? Forget ... (show quote)


And this is that lying hypocritical Machiavellian mind job rumitoid we are all too familiar with:

rumitoid wrote:
Lol, balderdash, yet typical of the Right.


rumitoid wrote:
A straight up lie if you care to delve any deeper than your sick emails or Fox News lies.


rumitoid wrote:
It is a curious thing that those on the Right spend so much effort and money to destroy the Unions and ACLU there to protect the worker and disadvantaged.


rumitoid wrote:
Lol, ok, pass the buck: but I did not say that Obama is just looking for an excuse for Marshall law. Attempting to chide me for that remark is typical Right wing defelction and obfuscation.


rumitoid wrote:
This report was utterly shameful and also ran here as a thread, many posters glorying in denouncing these "freeloaders and bottom-feeders typical of welfarites." That "report" has to be amongst the most vile propaganda. Unfortunately, this is not atypical of Fox News. In that thread, I tried to tell them that it was mostly children, the elderly, and disabled, and got the usual insults. Unreal how so many buy into this kind of crap.


rumitoid wrote:
do a little more digging with an open mind or just read what your fellow conservatives have to say about why they like the Tea Party over the RINOs: they refuse to compromise. Or look at the filibutering by Senate Republicans. Or take the words of Mitch McConnell and the "young guns" even before Obama had a seat in the Oval Office: primary mission was to obstruct the president at every turn and make him a one term president; these words and plans are public and even in a book written by those "young guns." It does not work to turn a blind eye to things.
do a little more digging with an open mind or jus... (show quote)


rumitoid wrote:
"The Repupblican Party is destroying America,"
Abundantly obvious and frighteningly true.


That, my friend, is called cognitive dissonance if you don’t see the 180 here. Don't moan and gripe about taking your quotes out of context I'm just calling a spade a spade.

You talk a good game about getting two parties together yet it is really hard to do that when you ask for this consensus then proceed to slap one side with a gauntlet and screaming in their face that they’re destroying the nation. Trust me if someone did that to me and asked I should work with them I tell them go fuck off or either break their damn jaw. I ain’t putting up with it and neither should anyone you attack on the right side. Fuck you and your call for civility and common grounds. No should ever abide by the calls of civility by a hypocrite such as you rumitoid.

You have this very convoluted and manipulative attitude “oh let’s just get along, both sides have good points, yadda-yadda so let’s sing kumbaya and we can work it out because this is America” then make a 180 on this whole “the right-wing is keen on destroying America..blah, blah, blah.” People like you need to be ignored.

I have your number. Come at me and I will destroy you and run you off like the other vermin that used to be here.

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Dec 20, 2013 02:13:31   #
boofhead
 
Brian Devon wrote:
Not really. The right wing extremists also thought that ending s***ery, repealing Jim Crow, and repealing anti-miscegenation laws (Loving v. Virginia, 1967) were also unworkable.

The latest years for which these statistics are available 2010-2011 breaks down thusly.

Murders by firearms per 100,000:Norway.6; Ireland 1.2;Sweden 1.0; U.K. 1.2; Germany 1.24; Australia 1.06; Canada 2.38; France 3.0; New Zealand 1.45; UNITED STATES 10.3. I rest my case.


In 2011 there were about 14000 murders in the US, of all types. About 2/3 of the murderers used a firearm. The rate of murder, all types, was 4.7 per 100,000, not the 10.3 you quoted. The gun murder rate therefore should be 3.0 per 100,000. Far cry from your fairy tale.

Looking at the racial break down of the murders, black males, comprising some 13 percent of the population, committed over half of the total murders. Of the remaining numbers, white males were responsible for 1/3 . This makes the rate closer to 1.5 per 100,000 for this group, and 15 per 100,000 for the black group. Not good numbers, to be sure, but a lot less than the rubbish you quoted.

Why should the law-abiding white man and woman have to lose their constitutional rights and freedoms because of a relatively small group of people who obviously have a problem? So instead of resting your case, why not make some suggestions that might solve a very real problem in this country? I am sure we all wait with baited breath.

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Dec 20, 2013 02:33:54   #
rumitoid
 
Ghost wrote:
That, my friend, is called cognitive dissonance if you don’t see the 180 here. Don't moan and gripe about taking your quotes out of context I'm just calling a spade a spade.

You talk a good game about getting two parties together yet it is really hard to do that when you ask for this consensus then proceed to slap one side with a gauntlet and screaming in their face that they’re destroying the nation. Trust me if someone did that to me and asked I should work with them I tell them go fuck off or either break their damn jaw. I ain’t putting up with it and neither should anyone you attack on the right side. Fuck you and your call for civility and common grounds. No should ever abide by the calls of civility by a hypocrite such as you rumitoid.

You have this very convoluted and manipulative attitude “oh let’s just get along, both sides have good points, yadda-yadda so let’s sing kumbaya and we can work it out because this is America” then make a 180 on this whole “the right-wing is keen on destroying America..blah, blah, blah.” People like you need to be ignored.

I have your number. Come at me and I will destroy you and run you off like the other vermin that used to be here.
That, my friend, is called cognitive dissonance if... (show quote)


An admirer, obviously, thank you. Let me give you a situation. A husband drinks and gambles too much, putting his family not only in debt but threatening their credit and home. Who is wrong? Is this man's actions not to be called into question? Is the wife for nagging or the credit company for wanting its just payment to blame for the unrest?

I am not saying the Democrats are not without sin in the appalling inactivity of Congress but it is not nearly equal. Of course you think I look at this with a naturally jaundiced eye in favor of the Democrats; but how are you looking at it? Republicans have betrayed America out of a vendetta. Just a fact. Look at their record. Naming what is wrong is not bias. That you disagree with what is wrong means that I am unbalanced or d******e by word and nature, does not necessarily follow. It could, yet for that to be so all your assumptions about me need to be proven. Accusing Senate Republicans of abusing the filibuster to simply obstruct Obama is a good place to start.

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Dec 20, 2013 03:16:09   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
CDC wrote:
According to the analysis, heart disease (#1) and cancer (#2) remained the top k**lers and accounted for more than half of the nation's deaths in 2010. The other conditions that rounded out the top 15 list include:

3. Lower respiratory diseases;
4. Stroke and related cerebrovascular diseases;
5. Accidents (unintentional injuries);
6. Alzheimer's disease;
7. Diabetes;
8. Kidney diseases;
9. Influenza and pneumonia;
10. Suicide;
11. Septicemia;
12. Chronic liver disease and cirrhosis;
13. Hypertension and related renal disease;
14. Parkinson's disease; and
15. Pneumonitis due to solids and liquids.
According to the analysis, heart disease (#1) and ... (show quote)


NVSS wrote:
WASHINGTON – For the first time in 45 years, homicide is no longer among the 15 leading causes of death in the United States, according to an analysis by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Homicides declined from 16,799 to 16,065 in 2010.

The report by the CDC's National Center for Health Statistics, an analysis of deaths in 2010, is the latest confirmation of homicide's steep decline over more than a decade, especially in America's largest cities.

Of the 2.4 million total deaths reported in 2010, there were 16,065 homicides, down from 16,799 a year earlier, according to the report, which gathers data from death certificates provided by the states.
WASHINGTON – For the first time in 45 years, homic... (show quote)


FBI Stats wrote:
Weapons used in homicides

Weapons 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011

Total 14,916 14,224 13,752 13,164 12,664
Total firearms: 10,129 9,528 9,199 8,874 8,583
Handguns 7,398 6,800 6,501 6,115 6,220
Rifles 453 380 351 367 323
Shotguns 457 442 423 366 356
Other guns 116 81 96 93 97
Firearms, type not stated 1,705 1,825 1,828 1,933 1,587
Knives or cutting instruments 1,817 1,888 1,836 1,732 1,694
Blunt objects (clubs, hammers, etc.) 647 603 623 549 496
Personal weapons, hands, fists, feet, etc 869 875 817 769 728
Poison 10 9 7 11 5
Explosives 1 11 2 4 12
Fire 131 85 98 78 75
Narcotics 52 34 52 45 29
Drowning 12 16 8 10 15
Strangulation 134 89 122 122 85
Asphyxiation 109 87 84 98 89
Other weapons or weapons not stated 1,005 999 904 872 853
Weapons used in homicides br br Weapons 2007 ... (show quote)

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Dec 20, 2013 06:59:09   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
boofhead wrote:
In 2011 there were about 14000 murders in the US, of all types. About 2/3 of the murderers used a firearm. The rate of murder, all types, was 4.7 per 100,000, not the 10.3 you quoted. The gun murder rate therefore should be 3.0 per 100,000. Far cry from your fairy tale.

Looking at the racial break down of the murders, black males, comprising some 13 percent of the population, committed over half of the total murders. Of the remaining numbers, white males were responsible for 1/3 . This makes the rate closer to 1.5 per 100,000 for this group, and 15 per 100,000 for the black group. Not good numbers, to be sure, but a lot less than the rubbish you quoted.

Why should the law-abiding white man and woman have to lose their constitutional rights and freedoms because of a relatively small group of people who obviously have a problem? So instead of resting your case, why not make some suggestions that might solve a very real problem in this country? I am sure we all wait with baited breath.
In 2011 there were about 14000 murders in the US, ... (show quote)


A small correction,boofhead: All b****s comprise about 13% of the population. Black males between the ages of 15 and 45 comprise about 6% of the population. This is the demographic responsible for the violent crime. Black females of any age, and black males outside of these age parameters commit very few crimes. Your relatively small group is even smaller, and the crime rate per 100,000 just about doubles.

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Dec 20, 2013 07:07:15   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
rumitoid wrote:
An admirer, obviously, thank you. Let me give you a situation. A husband drinks and gambles too much, putting his family not only in debt but threatening their credit and home. Who is wrong? Is this man's actions not to be called into question? Is the wife for nagging or the credit company for wanting its just payment to blame for the unrest?

I am not saying the Democrats are not without sin in the appalling inactivity of Congress but it is not nearly equal. Of course you think I look at this with a naturally jaundiced eye in favor of the Democrats; but how are you looking at it? Republicans have betrayed America out of a vendetta. Just a fact. Look at their record. Naming what is wrong is not bias. That you disagree with what is wrong means that I am unbalanced or d******e by word and nature, does not necessarily follow. It could, yet for that to be so all your assumptions about me need to be proven. Accusing Senate Republicans of abusing the filibuster to simply obstruct Obama is a good place to start.
An admirer, obviously, thank you. Let me give you ... (show quote)


Do you know what "filling the amendment tree is?" That is refusing to allow any discussion or amendments to legislation by the minority party. This used to be a rarely invoked parlimentary parlor trick. Harry Reid has used it 70 times. This is more than twice as often as the last 6 Senate Majority Leaders combined, both Democrat and Republican. This is the same Harry the Hypocrite who spoke so eloquently against the "nuclear option" while he was in the minority. He is a venal little pissant who is nothing more than a rubber stamp for Obama. This type of thing never gets mentioned. The steamrollering of legislation by this Democrat Senate is appalling, worse than anything the Republicans did, and they were no angels.

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Dec 20, 2013 13:18:37   #
boofhead
 
banjojack wrote:
A small correction,boofhead: All b****s comprise about 13% of the population. Black males between the ages of 15 and 45 comprise about 6% of the population. This is the demographic responsible for the violent crime. Black females of any age, and black males outside of these age parameters commit very few crimes. Your relatively small group is even smaller, and the crime rate per 100,000 just about doubles.


You are right about that. I read that the actual breakdown is for black males 15 to 25 and that they represent 2 percent of the population. They also represent 65 percent of the prison population.

The liberals go on so about the guns as if they are animate and can shoot themselves. How a murder would not have happened if the gun had not been so conveniently available etc.

Consider that you are in an argument with someone and you have to strike out at him. You could use your voice to embarrass him, or slap him, or pick up a bat and take a swing, or stick him with your knife or, finally, pick up the gun and shoot him.

Even in your rage you surely realise that using the gun indicates that you fully intend to k**l. The weapon used is secondary to that decision. We need to do something about the rage, the lack of respect for human life. In the black community there is obviously no such respect.

This group of young men who have so little regard for their fellow man that they would choose to k**l for perhaps the most petty reasons could be turned around to be productive and useful members of society. My theory is that if we moved radically away from the destructive polices of the left and thus made this country successful again, allowing advancement and a good life even for these would-be k**lers, they would be too busy enjoying their own life to want to take away the life of another. Surely there was a time when this group of young, healthy and promising men, no matter their color, had hope?

What we have done to this once-great country in the name of liberalism denied them that hope and we put them in prison instead.

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