votenoobama Loc: Texas

The Second Amendment: "A well regulated M*****a, being necessary to the security of a Free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
In America, we have had Gun Laws for over 70 years. The first Gun Law was, the outlaw of the Machine Gun so the FBI could get control of the Mob. The second Gun Law was, anyone who has committed a Felony could not Own a Gun or weapon. On paper this is a good law but, in reality it does not work and the reason it doesn't work is because, a Felony can buy all the Guns he want to in the back allies, as some people say the black market. Do you know what else you can buy on the Black Market? A Felony can buy Machine Guns, pistols, shoulder fire missiles, small bombs, bazookas and tanks, but, it comes down to if you have the money to pay for it. If you got the big bucks you can own it.
So you can pass all the Gun Laws you want to but, it will not keep weapons out of the hands of Felony's. It only removes Weapons from the Law Biding Citizens, that is not harming anyone.
We have a lot of people on this site that like to talk a lot of Crap about Guns and K*****gs. But, like me ask you this. How many people have you K**L?? You read it correct. I'm a Veteran and had to fight for a Free America, so you can set here talking and express your views. I had to K**l a lot of people while I was in the Army and you have to K**l to Stay Alive or you go home in the bag. Here it is in a nut shell for the ones that don't understand. "Quick to shoot You Live, Slow you Die". You are talking about a matter of 1/100 of a second. You cannot hesitate, you cannot think, you have to react.

lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas

For your last observation I say this, you have to see it coming and you have to have time to draw your weapon and fire. For someone who's weapon is already out and pointed - they win, you lose. Gun laws are only as effective as the willingness of the individual to obey them and the ability to enforce them. Banning certain individuals from gun ownership is unenforceable. Laws, by themselves, have no value whatsoever.

Ghost Loc: The 1st state to ever secede

Do you think criminals care what a piece of paper says?

Laws that are not enforced are as worthless as the paper they're written on. However, laws that punish everyone (that typical one size fits all approach) then you take away a right the lawful obeyed and consequently give power to lawless over the lawful.

Will I am Loc: Tucson, Arizona

Does anybody against the Second Amendment actually know why it exists?
A good example is what happened in Athens Tennessee in the thirties and forties of the last century. The link I attached will take you to a summary of that story.

https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/U5ut6yPrObw?rel=0

I do not own any firearms, and what seems to be happening in schools and other public places made me question the Second Amendment until I became aware of the Battle of Athens.
It is a perfect example of why the Second Amendment exists and why it must stay existing without any "adjustments".
This is meant to be a free country, our Democratic Freedom was fought for before, and we must be prepared to fight for it again.

lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas

The 2nd amendment and school shootings are not related. Politicians are using these issues out of context. Gun control is a ridiculous concept and can't be done anyway. Preventing violence is not possible. Protecting children from it while at school is doable, but that isn't being discussed.

Loki Loc: Georgia

Nor do most of the politicians who promulgate them. I concur with your statement, except when someone has their weapon out, you'd be surprised how many times they miss. Try the oh so popular "thug sideways grip." Go ahead, raise your handgun sideways and jerk the trigger. See how your point blank accuracy works. This is when you don't have adrenalin pumping. Perhaps this is not a valid comparison, but I missed a shot, point blank, at my first deer. This was taken with a hangun because my rifle was slung. Mr. "I shot the center out of the x ring," had a chance at his very first deer, rushed the shot and missed. Damn that was embarrassing! My point is that having a gun out and pointed does not guarantee a hit, even by a very experienced shooter, in the "heat of the moment."

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

True, Banjojack. Very few shooters can remain calm, cool, collected, AND deliberate, during the "heat of the moment". This is especially true when the threat of being fired upon, themselves, exists.

I would guess there's a lot of false bravado out there.

Will I am Loc: Tucson, Arizona

exactly.

And I have heard that the freaks involved with these shootings all happen to be Democrats. Some even involved with helping some fellow Democrat during e******ns.

Armageddun Loc: The show me state

Making harmless people helpless; does not make harmful people better.

Loki Loc: Georgia

It does if you're a Liberal having no more than a nodding acquaintance with reality.

Armageddun Loc: The show me state

:lol: :thumbup:

Augustus Greatorex Loc: NE

You just proved you didn't have to k**l people, you chose to. Not only that, but you made the choice long before you encountered the enemy.

I am not making a moral observation. If you carry a gun, you should be proficient with it, and damn sure when and how you are willing to use it.

A gun is not to intimidate, but to k**l. If you are not willing to k**l with it, you have no business carrying a gun.

As far as number of confirmed k**ls, I don't have any. And I don't carry a gun, because I am not willing to use it. I support citizens' right to carry guns, with the aforementioned caveats.

Brian Devon

That is why most of us choose to not serve. We really don't want to allow ourselves to be put in a k**l or be k**led situation. Most of us would consider it a nightmare to have to live with the knowledge we k**led a lot of people. WWII was our last necessary war. It was estimated that 2/3 of our troops never fired their weapons in battle. The urge to not k**l is strong in most of us. Most of us don't get people who have blood lust. I feel sorry for you.

Brian Devon

Gun control is a ridiculous concept? Tell that to Canada, Australia, and all of Europe. All these nations look at our gun violence and shake their heads in disbelief. The death rates from guns for all of these nations is dramatically lower than the rate in the U.S. The U.S. has much to learn from other nations. If you want to hunt Bambi, use a single shot rifle. Other than the police no one needs a handgun or semi-automatic weapon.

Augustus Greatorex Loc: NE

Why are the police special in your mind?