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Nov 26, 2016 15:22:54   #
permafrost (a regular here)
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
You're right, the private sector would not manage the armed forces. There would be no 'armed forces' as we now know it, but there would be an armed force. The Japanese never attacked the US mainland because they knew there would be 'a rifle behind every blade of grass' (http://www.skylighters.org/quotations/quots6.html). The Nazis never attacked Switzerland for a very similar reason (In Switzerland, there is a government issued rifle in every home). Don't think that just because nobody's ordering 'air strikes' that the United States would be defenseless. Far from it.

My point is that government makes any endeavor (not just the military) far more inefficient and therefore less effective. By taking government out of the equation, everything becomes more efficient and better managed.

I once had a guy asked me how, in the absence of government, roads would be built. My reply was simple, "There are several different approaches to this problem. Generally, though, they involve the removal of obstacles, the flattening of ground, the laying down of a bed of sand or gravel and a hard surface on top of that (optimally imparting a very slight lateral slope for drainage as a best practice)". To say he was not happy with my answer would be an understatement, guess it never dawned on him that government does not actually build roads, people do. I took the quote on how roads are built directly from Brad Spangler's collection 'Sedition on the Installment Plan' (https://sites.google.com/site/seditionontheinstallmentplan/). Tom De Lorenzo wrote:

"It is a collection of brief treatments of topics that are often points of contention in government vs non-government solution discussions. Reading through these notes will spur many thoughts and ideas that can ultimately assist in the understanding of the issues associated with a free society".

I highly recommend it for both education and entertainment.
You're right, the private sector would not manage ... (show quote)



Larry,

I truly like you self photo... That out of the way, let me do only one of your points..

Highway and infrastructure.

In Mr. Trumps infrastructure plan, he insists that private enterprise will built the roads bridges and sewers that we need..

However, the research shows that investors only want projects which have a payback for them. That means only tolls or some other process.

Tolls only make up 11% of our building needs.

The very fact that most infrastructure and most other public projects are not profit motivated but rather service motivated has been pointed many times but never seems to register..

running a nation is not equivalent to running a business.. And for sure not like any of Trumps business

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Nov 26, 2016 15:25:09   #
Super Dave
 
permafrost wrote:
Larry,

I truly like you self photo... That out of the way, let me do only one of your points..

Highway and infrastructure.

In Mr. Trumps infrastructure plan, he insists that private enterprise will built the roads bridges and sewers that we need..

However, the research shows that investors only want projects which have a payback for them. That means only tolls or some other process.

Tolls only make up 11% of our building needs.

The very fact that most infrastructure and most other public projects are not profit motivated but rather service motivated has been pointed many times but never seems to register..

running a nation is not equivalent to running a business.. And for sure not like any of Trumps business
Larry, br br I truly like you self photo... That... (show quote)
Businesses build or purchase buildings. Buildings don't create wealth, but you can't create wealth without them.

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Nov 26, 2016 15:30:51   #
permafrost (a regular here)
 
Super Dave wrote:
Businesses build or purchase buildings. Buildings don't create wealth, but you can't create wealth without them.



Very so...

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Nov 26, 2016 15:41:19   #
cesspool jones (suspended)
 
permafrost wrote:
Very so...


What say you?

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Nov 26, 2016 15:50:20   #
Glaucon
 
Super Dave wrote:
What are you talking about?
Yes, I think I'm right when I say something of a factual nature... Duh... Just because I don't agree with something doesn't mean I don't consider it.

A great example is your post where you say there's no evidence of Obama telling a lie or Hillary being corrupt... That doesn't take long to consider. It's obviously click-bait.

Dictatorships are what happens when government gets too powerful. Dictatorships do not occur when government is properly limited.
What are you talking about? br Yes, I think I'm r... (show quote)


If anything that you disagree with is what you call a lie, Obama lied. If a lie is something someone says that he knows when he says it that it is not true AND the untruth is significant . It would be a stretch to consider it lie if you didn't know for sure the person knew at the time he said it that it wasn't true. If your wife asked you if she looked fat and you said no, that would an act of self preservation, and not a lie. If you said it will rain tomorrow and it doesn't rain, that is called an error of prediction, not a lie. When Obama said everyone could keep their health plan, he didn't consider the section of the document, that was thousands of pages long, that said that health plans that did not meet minimum standards would not be covered, you would only label that as a lie if you are an Obama hater and if Obama said a vanilla ice cream cone was regular vanilla and he called it French Vanilla, that would be a lie. Check as many of your biases at the door as you are able to.

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Nov 26, 2016 15:50:32   #
permafrost (a regular here)
 
cesspool jones wrote:
What say you?



Cess,

If I understood, we were agreeing that the private party may create a new business and built that into a thriving entity for many people.

But the party does not do so without the infrastructure existing due to Government as possible other private parties..

Roads buildings, water and sewer.. If all these thing had to included in every endeavor by private projects, making them work would often be impossible..

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Nov 26, 2016 15:52:05   #
Glaucon
 
Super Dave wrote:
Businesses build or purchase buildings. Buildings don't create wealth, but you can't create wealth without them.


You are saying that wealth cannot be created without buildings?

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Nov 26, 2016 15:55:23   #
cesspool jones (suspended)
 
permafrost wrote:
Cess,

If I understood, we were agreeing that the private party may create a new business and built that into a thriving entity for many people.

But the party does not do so without the infrastructure existing due to Government as possible other private parties..

Roads buildings, water and sewer.. If all these thing had to included in every endeavor by private projects, making them work would often be impossible..


There's no future profit in road building. It is done by tax money. The Fair Tax would easily get this done.

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Nov 26, 2016 15:56:43   #
Super Dave
 
Glaucon wrote:
If anything that you disagree with is what you call a lie, Obama lied. If a lie is something someone says that he knows when he says it that it is not true AND the untruth is significant . It would be a stretch to consider it lie if you didn't know for sure the person knew at the time he said it that it wasn't true. If your wife asked you if she looked fat and you said no, that would an act of self preservation, and not a lie. If you said it will rain tomorrow and it doesn't rain, that is called an error of prediction, not a lie. When Obama said everyone could keep their health plan, he didn't consider the section of the document, that was thousands of pages long, that said that health plans that did not meet minimum standards would not be covered, you would only label that as a lie if you are an Obama hater and if Obama said a vanilla ice cream cone was regular vanilla and he called it French Vanilla, that would be a lie. Check as many of your biases at the door as you are able to.
If anything that you disagree with is what you cal... (show quote)

LOL -

I love it when Democrats employ the 'Stupid Defense'. Obama hasn't been lying for the last 8 years. He's just been extremely stupid. But he must be extremely unlucky also, because even a moron gets things right more often than Obama.

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Nov 26, 2016 15:57:54   #
Glaucon
 
Big Bass wrote:
There are only three ways to get rich quick: 1) Inherit it
2) Win it in a lottery
3) Embezzle it.
If you are rich and you wish to stay rich, or become richer, you must invest your wealth. If you do, say, invest in a company, you need that company to grow, so your investment grows. The bigger it grows, the more people you employ, so the unemployed who get one of new jobs is now a tax-paying worker, instead of a draw on the system. (For simplicity, say he was drawing $20,000 unemployment, and now pays $10,000 in income tax. That's $30,000 for the government!) This new worker now has a disposable income and can spread his new money around on a new car, house, etc. These new car companies, home builders, home-appliance makers, etc. are now growing and need more workers, and so on, and so on....
Along comes a nasty liberal/communist government and slaps on very high taxes on rich people. The rich take their money out of the country and invest it in external tax-havens, where it does no good whatsoever to this country. But it does make the tax-haven country get fuller employment and therefore very competitive on the world market.
The moral of this story? NEVER VOTE FOR A LIBERAL/COMMUNIST GOVERNMENT!!
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Sorry, we live in a very successful LIBERAL DEMOCRACY and most of us like it, Communism has been dead or rapidly dying for several years and no one would vote for its resuscitation. Communism didn't work and won't work. liberal democracies have worked and ours is doing well.

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Nov 26, 2016 15:58:55   #
cesspool jones (suspended)
 
Super Dave wrote:
LOL -

I love it when Democrats employ the 'Stupid Defense'. Obama hasn't been lying for the last 8 years. He's just been extremely stupid. But he must be extremely unlucky also, because even a moron gets things right more often than Obama.


Obama single handedly destroy the Democratic Party. Gotta love him.

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Nov 26, 2016 16:00:18   #
cesspool jones (suspended)
 
Glaucon wrote:
Sorry, we live in a very successful LIBERAL DEMOCRACY and most of us like it, Communism has been dead or rapidly dying for several years and no one would vote for its resuscitation. Communism didn't work and won't work. liberal democracies have worked and ours is doing well.


All those are bad words.

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Nov 26, 2016 16:01:05   #
Big Bass
 
Glaucon wrote:
Sorry, we live in a very successful LIBERAL DEMOCRACY and most of us like it, Communism has been dead or rapidly dying for several years and no one would vote for its resuscitation. Communism didn't work and won't work. liberal democracies have worked and ours is doing well.


That has NOTHING to do with my post. Nichts. Rien. Liberal democracy, in the way you liberals follow it is an oxymoron - a non sequitur.

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Nov 26, 2016 16:01:06   #
Glaucon
 
Super Dave wrote:
LOL -

I love it when Democrats employ the 'Stupid Defense'. Obama hasn't been lying for the last 8 years. He's just been extremely stupid. But he must be extremely unlucky also, because even a moron gets things right more often than Obama.


If Obama has been lying for the past eight years, it is amazing that you are unable to give me even one example of a lie he has told only a bunch of things about the black guy that annoy you. Do you know what self reflection means? Do use the word, moron, when you live in a glass house.

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Nov 26, 2016 16:02:25   #
cesspool jones (suspended)
 
Glaucon wrote:
If Obama has been lying for the past eight years, it is amazing that you are unable to give me even one example of a lie he has told only a bunch of things about the black guy that annoy you. Do you know what self reflection means? Do use the word, moron, when you live in a glass house.


Yes and yes

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