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Jul 28, 2016 17:52:32   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
Super Dave wrote:
It did not take 12 years to find proof that we were justified in going to war.

We were justified before we went. Finding no stockpiles does not change that fact.

You do know that a strong bipartisan v**e supported the invasion, don't you?


That makes it right?! Pretty much the whole country was in agreement with s***ery for 200 years, so that must have been right as well. The premise for going to war in Iraq was the WMD's - which they failed to find until years later and then only fragments and trace elements - so the initial premise was WRONG - whether everyone agreed with it or not.

Going in after the fact to try and justify what you've already done, is a very lame exercise in futility. What's done is done, so it only remains to try and undo what can be undone - not continue to try and justify the unjustifiable.

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Jul 28, 2016 19:04:56   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
lpnmajor wrote:
That makes it right?! Pretty much the whole country was in agreement with s***ery for 200 years, so that must have been right as well. The premise for going to war in Iraq was the WMD's - which they failed to find until years later and then only fragments and trace elements - so the initial premise was WRONG - whether everyone agreed with it or not.

Going in after the fact to try and justify what you've already done, is a very lame exercise in futility. What's done is done, so it only remains to try and undo what can be undone - not continue to try and justify the unjustifiable.
That makes it right?! Pretty much the whole countr... (show quote)
What makes it right is that it was the right thing to do given the information at hand. WMDs were a major reason why we went to war. The fact remains that the only way we found out that he didn't have stockpiles was by going to war.

How much happier would you be if Saddam was still threatening to use WMD's on America and our allies, still funding terrorism, still ignoring the UN mandates, still murdering gays, still using rape-rooms to get information, and still shooting at American aircraft? Would you be much happier or just slightly happier?

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Jul 28, 2016 20:07:40   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
permafrost wrote:
Hi Tas,

I will concede a point to you on the Syria move..

As for the yellow cake, I have read many conflicting reports on it being found or not existing.. I any case, if it was in place, it was not processed and not part of any WMD...
We can go back and forth about what was found and not found, but the fact is that none were found in operational condition. All that were found were traced back to US design during the Reagan administration.
Now that I think about, Yellow cake was that not the issue with the f email CIA agent who was outed? She contradicted the Bush/chany statement and that was the end of her career.. Valery someone ??

As an aside, when Bush Jr. was elected I told one of my coffee buddies that we would be going to war with Iraq... I was right, but did not have the reason correct.. I was thinking revenge. Saddam put a price on Bush the first head... What a fool thing to do..

To be clear... I do not believe that Bush and co believed WMD in operational form existed.. And yet they lied and called it a fact.. NO it was not...

Oh, the delay while feuding with congress.... Someone has said that is what makes a Democracy so difficult, a Dictator could simply say the word and go...
Hi Tas, br br I will concede a point to you on th... (show quote)

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Jul 28, 2016 20:59:15   #
reconreb Loc: America / Inglis Fla.
 
Super Dave wrote:
Saddam did have WMDs. That was proven.

He didnt have stockpiles of them, just the ability to produce them in a couple of months.

If someone points a gun at your family. Do you assume it is loaded or wait for proof?



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Jul 28, 2016 21:41:28   #
America Only Loc: From the right hand of God
 
lpnmajor wrote:
..and everything they found was 20 years old and inoperative. Good try though.


That is a totally false statement. At the time of the war most of the items would have been only a year or two after the manifest date of being shipped to IRAQ. And due to most items being DRY (In case you have no clue about ordinance, a dry place is a big positive factor for keeping it good) most everything is in VERY usable condition.

Good try though....but not good enough.

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Jul 28, 2016 21:47:03   #
America Only Loc: From the right hand of God
 
Super Dave wrote:
What makes it right is that it was the right thing to do given the information at hand. WMDs were a major reason why we went to war. The fact remains that the only way we found out that he didn't have stockpiles was by going to war.

How much happier would you be if Saddam was still threatening to use WMD's on America and our allies, still funding terrorism, still ignoring the UN mandates, still murdering gays, still using rape-rooms to get information, and still shooting at American aircraft? Would you be much happier or just slightly happier?
What makes it right is that it was the right thing... (show quote)


You are wrong. They have some VERY large stockpiles and have been finding more. The areas of desert in Iraq are not something during a war or right after that makes it just a snap of the fingers to have found everything and as it is, it may be years before it is all found. Now after 4 years of direct use of the US Navy Mobile Ordinance Disposal Units, more and more is still being found. Connecting the dots says a lot.

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Jul 28, 2016 23:28:38   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
America Only wrote:
You are wrong. They have some VERY large stockpiles and have been finding more. The areas of desert in Iraq are not something during a war or right after that makes it just a snap of the fingers to have found everything and as it is, it may be years before it is all found. Now after 4 years of direct use of the US Navy Mobile Ordinance Disposal Units, more and more is still being found. Connecting the dots says a lot.
The stockpiles they found were outdated and of limited usability. That said, its still a good thing we got rid of them.

But it doesn't change the fact that the facts at hand gave no option for a Pro-American POTUS.

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Jul 29, 2016 02:06:46   #
America Only Loc: From the right hand of God
 
Super Dave wrote:
The stockpiles they found were outdated and of limited usability. That said, its still a good thing we got rid of them.

But it doesn't change the fact that the facts at hand gave no option for a Pro-American POTUS.


Not true again. They US Navy Mobile Ordinance Disposal Unit is still there and as stated before, what they are still finding is very usable. Further is was damned sure in tip top shape during the war and in some ways a blessing Saddam did not use much of what he had on hand.

As many always depend on media sources (or the lack of any honest source) the media has in fact NOT been allowed to be given any updated information as to the deployment of the Navy Mobile Unit nor it's work product. The Navy has more than one time made release statements available, but the Obama Admin has shut down any news release of the findings.

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Jul 29, 2016 05:54:39   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
America Only wrote:
Not true again. They US Navy Mobile Ordinance Disposal Unit is still there and as stated before, what they are still finding is very usable. Further is was damned sure in tip top shape during the war and in some ways a blessing Saddam did not use much of what he had on hand.

As many always depend on media sources (or the lack of any honest source) the media has in fact NOT been allowed to be given any updated information as to the deployment of the Navy Mobile Unit nor it's work product. The Navy has more than one time made release statements available, but the Obama Admin has shut down any news release of the findings.
Not true again. They US Navy Mobile Ordinance Disp... (show quote)

Well of course the Saddamites downplayed the WMDs. What did you expect them to report? The t***h?

I remember when the yellowcakes were discovered and the media blackout that ensued.

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Jul 29, 2016 11:04:51   #
JimMe
 
bylm1 wrote:
You can't really blame him, Jim. That's what the mainstream media have been saying for years. It always griped me when I heard it but the RINO's would not jump up and clarify things so that is what we have been stuck with. I've seen video clips where Dems have admitted they thought there were WMD's. This whole lie was started by the libs who didn't like Bush and had to crucify him.



And Hillary Clinton was one of the MANY DEMS who were Iraq War Supporters BY V****G FOR PRES BUSH'S ASSAULT ON IRAQ...

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Jul 29, 2016 11:35:44   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
JimMe wrote:
And Hillary Clinton was one of the MANY DEMS who were Iraq War Supporters BY V****G FOR PRES BUSH'S ASSAULT ON IRAQ...

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Bush did ot assault Iraq. He assaulted Hussein and his insane family who had tortured and k**led so many of their own people. The average Iraqi LOVED our troops.

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Jul 29, 2016 22:50:29   #
moldyoldy
 
JimMe wrote:
tomh... THIS I DO KNOW (because I Researched it BEFORE POSTING THIS REPLY)

VP Cheney was only restating what had been debated during Pres Clinton's Administration...
snopes.com posted:

On 17 February 1998, President Clinton delivered a speech at the Pentagon. Excerpts from that speech include the following comments:

The UNSCOM inspectors believe that Iraq still has stockpiles of chemical and biological munitions, a small force of Scud-type missiles, and the capacity to restart quickly its production program and build many, many more weapons.

In 1998, the Bless-ed "UNITED NATIONS SPECIAL COMMISSION" (that's what UNSCOM stands for) INSPECTORS thought Iraq had WMD...

It is a FACT that Iraq having WMD did NOT START with VP Cheney... Or the Bush Administration... Before Besmirching ANYONE make certain YOU HAVE YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT...
tomh... THIS I DO KNOW (because I Researched it BE... (show quote)


Iraq had bunkers of old chemical weapons which the CIA gave them. The leaky containers were too unstable to move. This was all accounted for by the inspectors.

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Jul 29, 2016 23:01:11   #
moldyoldy
 
Super Dave wrote:
It did not take 12 years to find proof that we were justified in going to war.

We were justified before we went. Finding no stockpiles does not change that fact.

You do know that a strong bipartisan v**e supported the invasion, don't you?


A v**e based on lies and manipulation. This war was planned years before by PNAC.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century

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Jul 30, 2016 05:42:08   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
moldyoldy wrote:
Iraq had bunkers of old chemical weapons which the CIA gave them. The leaky containers were too unstable to move. This was all accounted for by the inspectors.
Are you saying you didn't know that Saddam thwarted the UN inspectors routinely? Or are you just spouting pro-Saddam/DNC talking points?

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Jul 30, 2016 05:43:14   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
moldyoldy wrote:
A v**e based on lies and manipulation. This war was planned years before by PNAC.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century
1. You ignored the post you replied to.
2. How is it that Bill and Hillary Clinton planned the war in Iraq and then remain to have your slobbering support?

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