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Nov 5, 2013 07:30:15   #
1OldGeezer
 
BoJester wrote:
So many of the teabag geniuses that routinely post their vile h**e and stupidity about a variety of subjects they nothing about, probably will complain about the source, a very rightwingnut rag.

All of the major players mentioned, reagan, ginrich, thompson and bush, were instrumental in screwing the taxpayer and benefitting big business like Walmart and McDonald's.
Only the very stupid fail to realize low wages require more social programs.
Yet these same i***ts will cry and whine and handwring and soil their depends, whenever the debt and deficit is mentioned as being driven by so-called entitlements.


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/nov/3/welfare-to-work-law-encourages-low-wages-increases/?page=all#pagebreak
So many of the teabag geniuses that routinely post... (show quote)

Bo,
Good to see you are still on the job.

But, the article you chose just illustrates that excessive benefits create the lower wages, not the work requirement. Thank you for that.

In a free market (where people are NOT paid to NOT work) the low wage jobs are usually an entry stage for people; people move on because they have incentive to improve themselves and they go find better jobs.

However, since Obama came on the scene, we are rapidly losing the free market (and our personal freedoms) to excessive regulations and the KING of it all, Obamacare, which will have a drastic effect on the jobs market. This has already caused a loss of jobs and reduction in wages received by making it imperative for some employers to reduce the hours worked (in order to stay in business).

The real answer is for the government to get out of the way of businesses (less taxes/regulations/restrictions/destructive laws) so they can create a better economy and the need for more workers. Wages go up when employers do not have an excessive number of job applicants. (You do understand how supply and demand affects us all?)

Right now the economy is in a sorry state, and probably will stay that way, until this administration changes it's policies (or we get a new administration).
Keep up the good work.
1oldgeezer

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Nov 5, 2013 08:55:46   #
joe1941
 
BoJester wrote:
So many of the teabag geniuses that routinely post their vile h**e and stupidity about a variety of subjects they nothing about, probably will complain about the source, a very rightwingnut rag.

All of the major players mentioned, reagan, ginrich, thompson and bush, were instrumental in screwing the taxpayer and benefitting big business like Walmart and McDonald's.
Only the very stupid fail to realize low wages require more social programs.
Yet these same i***ts will cry and whine and handwring and soil their depends, whenever the debt and deficit is mentioned as being driven by so-called entitlements.


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/nov/3/welfare-to-work-law-encourages-low-wages-increases/?page=all#pagebreak
So many of the teabag geniuses that routinely post... (show quote)


You sound more like one of these democrats everyday!http://www.youtube.com/embed/FeTCkoXslsE?rel=0

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Nov 5, 2013 09:01:28   #
VladimirPee
 
BoJester wrote:
So many of the teabag geniuses that routinely post their vile h**e and stupidity about a variety of subjects they nothing about, probably will complain about the source, a very rightwingnut rag.

All of the major players mentioned, reagan, ginrich, thompson and bush, were instrumental in screwing the taxpayer and benefitting big business like Walmart and McDonald's.
Only the very stupid fail to realize low wages require more social programs.
Yet these same i***ts will cry and whine and handwring and soil their depends, whenever the debt and deficit is mentioned as being driven by so-called entitlements.


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/nov/3/welfare-to-work-law-encourages-low-wages-increases/?page=all#pagebreak
So many of the teabag geniuses that routinely post... (show quote)



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Nov 5, 2013 09:45:01   #
rjoeholl
 
Hey, BoBo, you can have all of the money that I worked for and saved.....on one condition; come and get it.
BoJester wrote:
So many of the teabag geniuses that routinely post their vile h**e and stupidity about a variety of subjects they nothing about, probably will complain about the source, a very rightwingnut rag.

All of the major players mentioned, reagan, ginrich, thompson and bush, were instrumental in screwing the taxpayer and benefitting big business like Walmart and McDonald's.
Only the very stupid fail to realize low wages require more social programs.
Yet these same i***ts will cry and whine and handwring and soil their depends, whenever the debt and deficit is mentioned as being driven by so-called entitlements.


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/nov/3/welfare-to-work-law-encourages-low-wages-increases/?page=all#pagebreak
So many of the teabag geniuses that routinely post... (show quote)

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Nov 5, 2013 09:49:26   #
jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI
 
Will I am wrote:
You should realize that low wages, decent wages, and even high wages are all within an agreement between a private business and its employees. They are part of this thing called a free market.
To state that "low wages require more social programs" is assuming that the government can fix something which is not broken. If people can not live on what their employer is willing to pay them for what they are doing, there are a few options. Talking to the employer about a raise, going back to school so they can do better work for a better pay, and find a better paying employer are all options in a free market.
The non Constitutional handouts you refer to as "so-called entitlements" are just another example of "fixing something that ain't broken" and how having an entity, such as the Feds, keep on "fixing" something makes the situation worse.
And how and why did the Federal Reserve get the ability to print money that is not backed by gold or silver? (making our money less valuable and causing inflation)
The less the government does, the better off we all are. Of course Republican ideas don't work, but neither do Democratic ideas, they are both part of the establishment that the v**ers, who are afraid of true change, keep on putting back into office. Even if this country is still around, our children and grand children will still be paying for the debt the establishment has put U.S. into (for their own individual power and monetary gain).
You should realize that low wages, decent wages, a... (show quote)


You want to go back to the gold standard? Go think again about all your political thinking. It may be as out of touch as your understanding of the gold standard.

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Nov 5, 2013 10:01:37   #
VladimirPee
 
Yes the gold standard would be an improvement but we do not have the finances to return to even a 1/10th value of gold per dollar.

jonhatfield wrote:
You want to go back to the gold standard? Go think again about all your political thinking. It may be as out of touch as your understanding of the gold standard.

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Nov 5, 2013 10:12:08   #
jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI
 
1OldGeezer wrote:
Bo,
Good to see you are still on the job.

But, the article you chose just illustrates that excessive benefits create the lower wages, not the work requirement. Thank you for that.

In a free market (where people are NOT paid to NOT work) the low wage jobs are usually an entry stage for people; people move on because they have incentive to improve themselves and they go find better jobs.

However, since Obama came on the scene, we are rapidly losing the free market (and our personal freedoms) to excessive regulations and the KING of it all, Obamacare, which will have a drastic effect on the jobs market. This has already caused a loss of jobs and reduction in wages received by making it imperative for some employers to reduce the hours worked (in order to stay in business).

The real answer is for the government to get out of the way of businesses (less taxes/regulations/restrictions/destructive laws) so they can create a better economy and the need for more workers. Wages go up when employers do not have an excessive number of job applicants. (You do understand how supply and demand affects us all?)

Right now the economy is in a sorry state, and probably will stay that way, until this administration changes it's policies (or we get a new administration).
Keep up the good work.
1oldgeezer
Bo, br Good to see you are still on the job. br b... (show quote)


At least you are polite and on subject. Thank you. We are indeed in a new economic situation, but it has nothing to do with Obama as a person. We have reached a new point in economic development equivalent in change and effects on people of the "industrial revolution." The situation is megaeconomics or just plain economic bigness. Megafarms have replaced the family farm. Multiple 30,000 dairy cow units with a California dairy corporation expanding into the Midwest is one example of megafarming. Walmart is an example of megamarketing. Exactly how Big Corporatism will affect the future of individualism is a major question without answers...just as is the question of the effects of Big Government. It's not as if we can go back. It's a matter of we're already there and must calmly move forward working around, in, and through the new bigness situation as we did with the industrial revolution. Individualism can and, I believe, will survive and thrive if we are patient and work at solutions.

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Nov 5, 2013 10:16:55   #
VladimirPee
 
The demise of the family farm was accelerated due to the inheritance taxes which were impossible to pay without liquidation of property.


jonhatfield wrote:
At least you are polite and on subject. Thank you. We are indeed in a new economic situation, but it has nothing to do with Obama as a person. We have reached a new point in economic development equivalent in change and effects on people of the "industrial revolution." The situation is megaeconomics or just plain economic bigness. Megafarms have replaced the family farm. Multiple 30,000 dairy cow units with a California dairy corporation expanding into the Midwest is one example of megafarming. Walmart is an example of megamarketing. Exactly how Big Corporatism will affect the future of individualism is a major question without answers...just as is the question of the effects of Big Government. It's not as if we can go back. It's a matter of we're already there and must calmly move forward working around, in, and through the new bigness situation as we did with the industrial revolution. Individualism can and, I believe, will survive and thrive if we are patient and work at solutions.
At least you are polite and on subject. Thank you.... (show quote)

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Nov 5, 2013 10:31:35   #
Don Overton Loc: Southwest USA
 
Typical bulls**t from a right wing i***t.

OldSchool wrote:
Typical distorted logic by a mentally r****ded liberal! Just what I would expect from the mentally handicapped such as BoPoopsie. Does the asylum staff know that you're on the computer?

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Nov 5, 2013 10:33:05   #
Don Overton Loc: Southwest USA
 
Typical bulls**t from a right wing i***t.

OldSchool wrote:
Typical distorted logic by a mentally r****ded liberal! Just what I would expect from the mentally handicapped such as BoPoopsie. Does the asylum staff know that you're on the computer?

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Nov 5, 2013 10:36:19   #
VladimirPee
 
So Don. Tell me about your profile statement. How are Tea Party folks trying to destroy America? Please reply with a shred of intellectual honesty.

Don Overton wrote:
Typical bulls**t from a right wing i***t.

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Nov 5, 2013 10:48:03   #
jeff smith
 
BoJester wrote:
So many of the teabag geniuses that routinely post their vile h**e and stupidity about a variety of subjects they nothing about, probably will complain about the source, a very rightwingnut rag.

All of the major players mentioned, reagan, ginrich, thompson and bush, were instrumental in screwing the taxpayer and benefitting big business like Walmart and McDonald's.
Only the very stupid fail to realize low wages require more social programs.
Yet these same i***ts will cry and whine and handwring and soil their depends, whenever the debt and deficit is mentioned as being driven by so-called entitlements.

If I work my tail end off to try and make a decent living you think I should give more and more of my earnings to help out the poor. If the government would simplify the tax code retrain all of the workers who would be laid off from the IRS, to search out the fraud in ALL of the different departments then we just might have enough money to start paying off our debts. But that might make sense and our government couldn't - wouldn't understand what the hell just happened. There are a lot of rich people who donate a lot to different groups who help a whole lot of people who aren't able to do for themselves. You should know as well as anybody that there is a lot of fraud even in the entitlement programs ,as there is in any local, county, state and federal departments. We don't need a new department just retrain workers who aren't needed where their at.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/nov/3/welfare-to-work-law-encourages-low-wages-increases/?page=all#pagebreak
So many of the teabag geniuses that routinely post... (show quote)

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Nov 5, 2013 11:01:37   #
jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI
 
DennisDee wrote:
The demise of the family farm was accelerated due to the inheritance taxes which were impossible to pay without liquidation of property.


So? The farm consolidation I am aware of FIRSTHAND had nothing to do with inheritance taxes. The little farms didn't involve big money when the consolidation took hold after WWII. The surviving big farms are corporations & further consolidation is simply a matter of corporate consolidation. Wh**ever the causes and progressions involved, the result has been the virtual end of what was once the majority citizen class of independent farmers. The same development has occurred with "Main Street." Franchises and chain stores have replaced individual businesses. Yes, there are surviving examples of family farms (notably Amish) and individual businesses, but the larger changed pattern is there...not a conspiracy or such, just changed larger economic situation that presents problems to be worked out as best we can. When I was a child, the town had a doctor. Today that town and small towns across America have no family doctor--instead we travel 25 or 30 miles to a "clinic" where we may then be referred to specialists at a more distant larger clinic. Or, now that I live in one of Wisconsin's cities, I can drive a few blocks to one of America's 100 best clinics or across town to another 100 best--actually I drive 130 miles west to one of America's 10 best. BIGNESS--healthcare industry is one of the major economic developments since WWII. ACA was intended to make the industry work better for consumers...whether it will do so is still to be seen. In any case, not something to rant or rave about. Are there workable alternatives? Improvements? Really I would like to go back to when I had my 3 pet chickens in a coop my step-father built in the back corner of our lot on Conner Avenue in Fountain City, TN., next to the flock of chickens the neighbor in back kept. I wish it were still the time when the family doctor and family dentist lived in town when one rarely had occasion to see, but those days are gone. My home farm community in south central Michigan no longer exists as a community. So? Now the question is how my children will manage and what kind of world my grandchildren will live in. I certainly hope it won't be a world where bitter old geezers rant and rave about political conspiracies on the internet. ha.

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Nov 5, 2013 11:19:13   #
VladimirPee
 
jon

The large farming conglomerates were able to purchase and consolidate small family farms because they were forced to sell due to inheritance taxes. This went beyond the Amish.


New legislation that jumps the death tax to 55 percent of estates exceeding $1 million threatens 526,421 family farms, of about 25 percent of all farms in America, according to a Senate analysis.

http://www.ijreview.com/2012/12/25030-coming-55-death-tax-to-threaten-over-half-million-family-farms/


jonhatfield wrote:
So? The farm consolidation I am aware of FIRSTHAND had nothing to do with inheritance taxes. The little farms didn't involve big money when the consolidation took hold after WWII. The surviving big farms are corporations & further consolidation is simply a matter of corporate consolidation. Wh**ever the causes and progressions involved, the result has been the virtual end of what was once the majority citizen class of independent farmers. The same development has occurred with "Main Street." Franchises and chain stores have replaced individual businesses. Yes, there are surviving examples of family farms (notably Amish) and individual businesses, but the larger changed pattern is there...not a conspiracy or such, just changed larger economic situation that presents problems to be worked out as best we can. When I was a child, the town had a doctor. Today that town and small towns across America have no family doctor--instead we travel 25 or 30 miles to a "clinic" where we may then be referred to specialists at a more distant larger clinic. Or, now that I live in one of Wisconsin's cities, I can drive a few blocks to one of America's 100 best clinics or across town to another 100 best--actually I drive 130 miles west to one of America's 10 best. BIGNESS--healthcare industry is one of the major economic developments since WWII. ACA was intended to make the industry work better for consumers...whether it will do so is still to be seen. In any case, not something to rant or rave about. Are there workable alternatives? Improvements? Really I would like to go back to when I had my 3 pet chickens in a coop my step-father built in the back corner of our lot on Conner Avenue in Fountain City, TN., next to the flock of chickens the neighbor in back kept. I wish it were still the time when the family doctor and family dentist lived in town when one rarely had occasion to see, but those days are gone. My home farm community in south central Michigan no longer exists as a community. So? Now the question is how my children will manage and what kind of world my grandchildren will live in. I certainly hope it won't be a world where bitter old geezers rant and rave about political conspiracies on the internet. ha.
So? The farm consolidation I am aware of FIRSTHAND... (show quote)

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Nov 5, 2013 12:03:43   #
jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI
 
DennisDee wrote:
jon

The large farming conglomerates were able to purchase and consolidate small family farms because they were forced to sell due to inheritance taxes. This went beyond the Amish.


New legislation that jumps the death tax to 55 percent of estates exceeding $1 million threatens 526,421 family farms, of about 25 percent of all farms in America, according to a Senate analysis.

http://www.ijreview.com/2012/12/25030-coming-55-death-tax-to-threaten-over-half-million-family-farms/
jon br br The large farming conglomerates were a... (show quote)


Dennis--you have extraordinary command of details...now look at the large picture. The American family farm as it existed for 200 years is GONE. It was unique to America. The thousand and several thousand acre farms you are talking about are not the family farm of our past. They are consolidations of past farms. Where twenty farms existed when I was a child, one consolidated operation exists today. You need to wrap your mind around the big picture. It has happened--it's a changed world of BIG BIG & BIGGER now whether we like it or not.

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