One Political PlazaSM - Home of politics
The Coming Election Fraud
Page: 1 2 3 next>>
Jun 7, 2016 18:02:35   #
working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina
 
Conservatives seem to be confused. We are either going to have no election in November because the President will declare martial law and use those vicious UN troops to quell the rioting of American patriots. Or we will have a fraudulent election if Mrs. Clinton wins. Or the Donald will win a free and fair election and all will be right with the world.

Only problem is: if the election is held (a mighty big if, according to some of the patriots) the fraudulence of the election will be determined by the winner. Kind of like a 'Schroedinger's election'....we won't know whether the election is fraudulent or fair until the winner is declared. Then we'll know. The kicker, of course, is that it will be the same election.

Here's something for conservatives to consider: if they lose the election it might be because they selected a candidate who seems determined to offend just about everyone who isn't an angry white male (and their supportive spouses). No fraud necessary for an explanation. It's Occam's razor.

| Reply
Jun 8, 2016 13:53:45   #
Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan
 
working class stiff wrote:
Conservatives seem to be confused. We are either going to have no election in November because the President will declare martial law and use those vicious UN troops to quell the rioting of American patriots. Or we will have a fraudulent election if Mrs. Clinton wins. Or the Donald will win a free and fair election and all will be right with the world.

Only problem is: if the election is held (a mighty big if, according to some of the patriots) the fraudulence of the election will be determined by the winner. Kind of like a 'Schroedinger's election'....we won't know whether the election is fraudulent or fair until the winner is declared. Then we'll know. The kicker, of course, is that it will be the same election.

Here's something for conservatives to consider: if they lose the election it might be because they selected a candidate who seems determined to offend just about everyone who isn't an angry white male (and their supportive spouses). No fraud necessary for an explanation. It's Occam's razor.
Conservatives seem to be confused. We are either... (show quote)


I've gotta ask myself, what's in it for Obama to declare martial law....?

..but that's me...he could do it right now, why wait until November?

It's a real conundrum, isn't it?

| Reply
Jun 8, 2016 15:48:58   #
working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina
 
Dummy Boy wrote:
I've gotta ask myself, what's in it for Obama to declare martial law....?

..but that's me...he could do it right now, why wait until November?

It's a real conundrum, isn't it?


It is indeed. Republicans (and conservatives who support Trump) are setting the stage for a whole lotta whining come November if Sec. Clinton becomes President. They will blame everyone except themselves for their recent losses. The fraud allegations already heard on some of the site threads will give them cover so they won't have to question how that party and it's candidates have managed to blow these last few Presidential elections.

I've got a solution that doesn't rely on claiming the Dems are engaged in fraud: stop nominating candidates that insult and demonize half the population of the country. Romney with his 'takers' and Trump with his 'losers' just insure that even a flawed candidate like Sec. Clinton has a very good shot at winning.

| Reply
Jun 8, 2016 22:30:05   #
J Anthony Loc: Connecticut
 
working class stiff wrote:
It is indeed. Republicans (and conservatives who support Trump) are setting the stage for a whole lotta whining come November if Sec. Clinton becomes President. They will blame everyone except themselves for their recent losses. The fraud allegations already heard on some of the site threads will give them cover so they won't have to question how that party and it's candidates have managed to blow these last few Presidential elections.

I've got a solution that doesn't rely on claiming the Dems are engaged in fraud: stop nominating candidates that insult and demonize half the population of the country. Romney with his 'takers' and Trump with his 'losers' just insure that even a flawed candidate like Sec. Clinton has a very good shot at winning.
It is indeed. Republicans (and conservatives wh... (show quote)


Right, division and fear, distract and disenfranchise. Democrats are no less guilty of it, they are just more subtle in their methods. Because, sadly, this age-old method of eltists' maintaining power over populous nations works.
Trump vs Clinton would be a squeaker, as both have nearly the same percentages of support from eligible voters, if regional and local polls are any indication, as it's hard to trust national polling institutions, as half the eligible voters in the country have already vowed to vote for neither. Whoever wins, it will be by a very thin majority, though a majority-of-a-minority it may be. Worse, the side that loses will spend the proceeding years obstructing or trying to de-legitimize the other side's win. It will be a nightmare.

| Reply
Jun 9, 2016 10:54:36   #
Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan
 
working class stiff wrote:
It is indeed. Republicans (and conservatives who support Trump) are setting the stage for a whole lotta whining come November if Sec. Clinton becomes President. They will blame everyone except themselves for their recent losses. The fraud allegations already heard on some of the site threads will give them cover so they won't have to question how that party and it's candidates have managed to blow these last few Presidential elections.

I've got a solution that doesn't rely on claiming the Dems are engaged in fraud: stop nominating candidates that insult and demonize half the population of the country. Romney with his 'takers' and Trump with his 'losers' just insure that even a flawed candidate like Sec. Clinton has a very good shot at winning.
It is indeed. Republicans (and conservatives wh... (show quote)


Well, when you insult people on a regular basis or are easily insulted this what you get. A shame election.

| Reply
Jun 9, 2016 14:45:09   #
working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina
 
J Anthony wrote:
Right, division and fear, distract and disenfranchise. Democrats are no less guilty of it, they are just more subtle in their methods. Because, sadly, this age-old method of eltists' maintaining power over populous nations works.
Trump vs Clinton would be a squeaker, as both have nearly the same percentages of support from eligible voters, if regional and local polls are any indication, as it's hard to trust national polling institutions, as half the eligible voters in the country have already vowed to vote for neither. Whoever wins, it will be by a very thin majority, though a majority-of-a-minority it may be. Worse, the side that loses will spend the proceeding years obstructing or trying to de-legitimize the other side's win. It will be a nightmare.
Right, division and fear, distract and disenfranch... (show quote)



To me, the interesting thing about this is that conservatives are already thinking about 'fraud'....it's almost as though the election is being conceded. Fraud explains a Clinton win. But if Trump wins, then the election will have been fair. Same election, same night.

| Reply
Jun 9, 2016 16:01:55   #
J Anthony Loc: Connecticut
 
working class stiff wrote:
To me, the interesting thing about this is that conservatives are already thinking about 'fraud'....it's almost as though the election is being conceded. Fraud explains a Clinton win. But if Trump wins, then the election will have been fair. Same election, same night.


Yes, the hypocrisy is astounding, but has become the norm, unfortunately.

| Reply
Jun 9, 2016 20:41:10   #
Fluffy
 
Well, and Clintonites are setting up the Bernie bros for blame if she loses. Just like the dems did when Gore lost to Bush. Besides the FRAUD, the fact is Gore led a lackluster campaign. But many blamed Nader for Gore's loss. Bullshit.

| Reply
Jun 11, 2016 07:14:00   #
J Anthony Loc: Connecticut
 
Fluffy wrote:
Well, and Clintonites are setting up the Bernie bros for blame if she loses. Just like the dems did when Gore lost to Bush. Besides the FRAUD, the fact is Gore led a lackluster campaign. But many blamed Nader for Gore's loss. Bullshit.


True. The Clintonites are mostly a repulsive bunch of ignoramuses. But fraud is perpetrated by both "sides", has been for awhile. Electronic-voting machines were the final nail-in-the-coffin of anything resembling honest elections. With no paper-trail, rigging results became easy and ubiquitous.

| Reply
Jun 11, 2016 10:45:33   #
Fluffy
 
J Anthony wrote:
True. The Clintonites are mostly a repulsive bunch of ignoramuses. But fraud is perpetrated by both "sides", has been for awhile. Electronic-voting machines were the final nail-in-the-coffin of anything resembling honest elections. With no paper-trail, rigging results became easy and ubiquitous.


Do not dismiss hanging chads, gerrymandering, labyrinthine primaries whose rules vary from state to state, ratfucking, smear campaigns, MSM pretty much manipulating the election news for profit, that nasty little DWSchultz pushing Hillary and denying resources to Bernie. Yes both sides. If people don't think the democrats have a problem they're deluding themselves. The entire system reeks from top to bottom.

And ignorant conservatives are already setting up to blame everything and everyone except their own bankrupt party and ideologies for Clinton's win. They are going to go nuts when she wins. We ain't seen nothing yet. The way they've treated Obama the last eight years will look like a cakewalk compared to what's in store for Hillary. Not to say that she's all that squeaky clean. I am not a Hillary supporter by any stretch. She never met a war she didn't support. What has the warmongering we've done the last ten years accomplished? Nothing.

| Reply
Jun 12, 2016 06:54:04   #
Solange
 
Fluffy wrote:
Do not dismiss hanging chads, gerrymandering, labyrinthine primaries whose rules vary from state to state, ratfucking, smear campaigns, MSM pretty much manipulating the election news for profit, that nasty little DWSchultz pushing Hillary and denying resources to Bernie. Yes both sides. If people don't think the democrats have a problem they're deluding themselves. The entire system reeks from top to bottom.

And ignorant conservatives are already setting up to blame everything and everyone except their own bankrupt party and ideologies for Clinton's win. They are going to go nuts when she wins. We ain't seen nothing yet. The way they've treated Obama the last eight years will look like a cakewalk compared to what's in store for Hillary. Not to say that she's all that squeaky clean. I am not a Hillary supporter by any stretch. She never met a war she didn't support. What has the warmongering we've done the last ten years accomplished? Nothing.
Do not dismiss hanging chads, gerrymandering, laby... (show quote)


Beautifully stated. Absolutely spot on. Just my 2 cents...

I watched the recent Arizona voting and Nevada primary with anger and disbelief.
Lifelong registered Dem voters waiting in line 5 hours in Arizona, some of them in wheelchairs, walkers, oxygen tanks and colostomy bags, many with small children in tow, and told they were not registered as Dems, therefore could not vote. The individual in charge, when asked who was at fault, said, with a straight face, " The people who stood in line 5 hours."

What? I was horrified. Some of them finally left because they had to go to work, or pick up children... or use the toilet.

Why were so many polling places closed prior to the election, without notice, in Arizona?

Nevada was another level of unbelievable b.s. Then Barbara Boxer showed up and taunted the crowd?

I live in Texas, and we have our own brand of FUBAR, make no mistake, I make neither excuses nor apologies.
Ted Cruz, GW Bush, LBJ, Rick Perry...you get my meaning...

| Reply
Jun 12, 2016 11:04:49   #
Fluffy
 
Solange wrote:
Beautifully stated. Absolutely spot on. Just my 2 cents...

I watched the recent Arizona voting and Nevada primary with anger and disbelief.
Lifelong registered Dem voters waiting in line 5 hours in Arizona, some of them in wheelchairs, walkers, oxygen tanks and colostomy bags, many with small children in tow, and told they were not registered as Dems, therefore could not vote. The individual in charge, when asked who was at fault, said, with a straight face, " The people who stood in line 5 hours."

What? I was horrified. Some of them finally left because they had to go to work, or pick up children... or use the toilet.

Why were so many polling places closed prior to the election, without notice, in Arizona?

Nevada was another level of unbelievable b.s. Then Barbara Boxer showed up and taunted the crowd?

I live in Texas, and we have our own brand of FUBAR, make no mistake, I make neither excuses nor apologies.
Ted Cruz, GW Bush, LBJ, Rick Perry...you get my meaning...
Beautifully stated. Absolutely spot on. Just my 2 ... (show quote)


Even here in Washington, a liberal bastion, it was a mess. My own polling place was screwed up. It was at a junior high school that was also having a free hazardous recycle event the very same day. The entire parking lot was roped off. The only parking was on the street. It was in a hilly area. No way could a wheelchair be gotten through there without help. I drove around several times trying to find a spot to park. Two lane road, no shoulder. There were plenty of signs marking where to get to the hazardous waste event but none marking the primary location. If you could even find a parking place, if you parked in the wrong place you could end up walking as much as a mile over hilly terrain and no sidewalks much less shoulder on the road. Well, too bad for older people, disabled people, people with children. If I hadn't been so determined and in good shape, I'd have left without voting. In for a dime, in for a dollar. Sometimes I just get stubborn for the meanness of it. This was one of those times.

But the real kicker is Washington is a winner take all state. Although Bernie won the popular vote, all the super delegates were given to Hillary. What a colossal waste of time.

| Reply
Jun 18, 2016 05:50:50   #
jelun
 
This is actually quite amusing to watch the lovers of authority and chief cheerleaders of labels and stereotypes going to Marshall Law declared by the thinking man, the deliberative leader because the ideas that should make them wary are sending them into fits of anxiety because it doesn't appear to be decisive enough. And yet, they shake in their shoes that a decision has been made to enslave them. As if they are worth having as slaves, spoiled and privileged as they believe they are.
It reminds me of the anti-immigrant arguments that revolve around jobs.
The white guys love to tell those who are looking for jobs that those brown immigrants are stealing their opportunities to work.
I would posit that the thinking there is backward, nobody who has been here for generations wants those jobs as a career.

[b]It is the WHITE GUY who is robbing the BLACK GUY of opportunity to have WELL PAID JOBS.[b]
I think that those white guys need to be reminded more often that we know that. We know that if they stopped hoarding all of the education dollars those jobs would be within reach of all residents rather than just us pale folk.

Back to the elections, it certainly isn't just the conservatives who believe things are rigged. It seems to be people who believe they are entitled to win.
BernieBots are just as likely to scream "It ISN'T fair!" each time they don't come out ahead. All while, as it turns out, Senator Sanders' campaign lobbied for less polling places in Puerto Rico because he couldn't cover the original number. That was fair, I suppose.
I guess THOSE MINORITIES weren't interested in his free stuff.
Sorry, a bit of free streaming going on there.
My observation is that people who would screw others at every turn see people screwing others everywhere they look.





working class stiff wrote:
Conservatives seem to be confused. We are either going to have no election in November because the President will declare martial law and use those vicious UN troops to quell the rioting of American patriots. Or we will have a fraudulent election if Mrs. Clinton wins. Or the Donald will win a free and fair election and all will be right with the world.

Only problem is: if the election is held (a mighty big if, according to some of the patriots) the fraudulence of the election will be determined by the winner. Kind of like a 'Schroedinger's election'....we won't know whether the election is fraudulent or fair until the winner is declared. Then we'll know. The kicker, of course, is that it will be the same election.

Here's something for conservatives to consider: if they lose the election it might be because they selected a candidate who seems determined to offend just about everyone who isn't an angry white male (and their supportive spouses). No fraud necessary for an explanation. It's Occam's razor.
Conservatives seem to be confused. We are either... (show quote)

| Reply
Jun 18, 2016 05:56:51   #
jelun
 
I thought I was reading a first hand account initially.
Are there videos of these exchanges?


Solange wrote:
Beautifully stated. Absolutely spot on. Just my 2 cents...

I watched the recent Arizona voting and Nevada primary with anger and disbelief.
Lifelong registered Dem voters waiting in line 5 hours in Arizona, some of them in wheelchairs, walkers, oxygen tanks and colostomy bags, many with small children in tow, and told they were not registered as Dems, therefore could not vote. The individual in charge, when asked who was at fault, said, with a straight face, " The people who stood in line 5 hours."

What? I was horrified. Some of them finally left because they had to go to work, or pick up children... or use the toilet.

Why were so many polling places closed prior to the election, without notice, in Arizona?

Nevada was another level of unbelievable b.s. Then Barbara Boxer showed up and taunted the crowd?

I live in Texas, and we have our own brand of FUBAR, make no mistake, I make neither excuses nor apologies.
Ted Cruz, GW Bush, LBJ, Rick Perry...you get my meaning...
Beautifully stated. Absolutely spot on. Just my 2 ... (show quote)

| Reply
Jun 18, 2016 06:03:42   #
jelun
 
You have to wonder why another event would be scheduled on primary day.
That whole scenario is a bit wacky. Don't you all vote on a Tuesday?
When we have a community recycling thing it is on a weekend.
Ah well. I guess the differences make things interesting. We don't have separate primaries, we DO have same day party choice with automatic revert to Independent.
Just a note... Super Delegates are not given to anyone, and they don't have to pledge or declare until the convention.


Fluffy wrote:
Even here in Washington, a liberal bastion, it was a mess. My own polling place was screwed up. It was at a junior high school that was also having a free hazardous recycle event the very same day. The entire parking lot was roped off. The only parking was on the street. It was in a hilly area. No way could a wheelchair be gotten through there without help. I drove around several times trying to find a spot to park. Two lane road, no shoulder. There were plenty of signs marking where to get to the hazardous waste event but none marking the primary location. If you could even find a parking place, if you parked in the wrong place you could end up walking as much as a mile over hilly terrain and no sidewalks much less shoulder on the road. Well, too bad for older people, disabled people, people with children. If I hadn't been so determined and in good shape, I'd have left without voting. In for a dime, in for a dollar. Sometimes I just get stubborn for the meanness of it. This was one of those times.

But the real kicker is Washington is a winner take all state. Although Bernie won the popular vote, all the super delegates were given to Hillary. What a colossal waste of time.
Even here in Washington, a liberal bastion, it was... (show quote)

| Reply
Page: 1 2 3 next>>
If you want to reply, then register here. Registration is free and your account is created instantly, so you can post right away.
OnePoliticalPlaza.com - Forum
Copyright 2012-2020 IDF International Technologies, Inc.