Hillary overrated (Page 8): We agree about that. But that isn't what you said.

Richard94611

We agree about that. But that isn't what you said.

DennisDee wrote:

Richard

I an a consumer of news. Trust me. The Shut down is off the front page and Obamacare is front and center

VladimirPee

Ok so I am not sure what you disagree with

Richard94611 wrote:

We agree about that. But that isn't what you said.

Richard94611

I don't watch TV 24/7. Evidently you do. I don't ignore anything because of my ideology. I read a variety of news sources (newspapers and magazines), see a variety of news items on the computer (including many from wing-nut, right-wing sources), and watch a variety of TV news shows, including one I am sure you would be so frightened of you wouldn't dare even a glance at -- AlJazeeraAmerica. Among the online papers I look at fairly frequently are some even in West Africa and the South Pacific.

DennisDee wrote:

My quote

Richard

What do you see on TV 24/7? The Shut Down or the Obamacare disaster? You want to ignore reality because of your far left ideology

Richard94611

Most Americans love mother and apple pie, too. But those who get ObamaCare will come to like it very much.

DennisDee wrote:

What beliefs are in the minority?

Most Americans oppose Obamacare
Most Americans want secure borders
Most Americans want a fiscally sound nation with a balanced budget

VladimirPee

I have no doubt those getting heavily subsidized plans will love it. Taking from Peter to give to Paul will usually meet with Paul's approval. But the majority are pissed

Richard94611 wrote:

Most Americans love mother and apple pie, too. But those who get ObamaCare will come to like it very much.

Richard94611

That is conservative propaganda. And when more and more people actually enroll in ObamaCare and love it -- which will happen -- word of mouth will take care of the rest and it will become as popular as social securty now is.

DennisDee wrote:

I have no doubt those getting heavily subsidized plans will love it. Taking from Peter to give to Paul will usually meet with Paul's approval. But the majority are pissed

VladimirPee

Richard it is certainly not propaganda. Someone has to pay. who is that someone? You cannot insure 30 Million uninsured for free and add all sorts of expensive options. Middle Class is finding out with each passing day. This was sold on a pack of lies and the country now knows it.

Richard94611 wrote:

That is conservative propaganda. And when more and more people actually enroll in ObamaCare and love it -- which will happen -- word of mouth will take care of the rest and it will become as popular as social securty now is.

Richard94611

It is obvious that someone has to pay -- all of us.

ote=DennisDee]Richard it is certainly not propaganda. Someone has to pay. who is that someone? You cannot insure 30 Million uninsured for free and add all sorts of expensive options. Middle Class is finding out with each passing day. This was sold on a pack of lies and the country now knows it.[/quote]

VladimirPee

That's right. Obama claims that most families will save $2500 was a blatant lie

Richard94611 wrote:

It is obvious that someone has to pay -- all of us.

ote=DennisDee]Richard it is certainly not propaganda. Someone has to pay. who is that someone? You cannot insure 30 Million uninsured for free and add all sorts of expensive options. Middle Class is finding out with each passing day. This was sold on a pack of lies and the country now knows it.

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bmac32 Loc: West Florida

Obama lied on many fronts and he just continues. When it falls apart he'll take zero credit while playing the 'blame game'.

DennisDee wrote:

That's right. Obama claims that most families will save $2500 was a blatant lie

Richard94611

You are distorting what he said. Your statement itself here is not true. He said that one might save "as much as 2500." Find me a statement of his that says every family will save $2500."

DennisDee wrote:

That's right. Obama claims that most families will save $2500 was a blatant lie

Richard94611

BMAC, you, too, are distorting what he said.

bmac32 wrote:

Obama lied on many fronts and he just continues. When it falls apart he'll take zero credit while playing the 'blame game'.

VladimirPee

Come on Richard. Haven't you learned by now that I don't post nonsense? You are usually the one grossly uninformed'

"I will sign a universal health care bill into law by the end of my first term as president that will cover every American and cut the cost of a typical family's premium by up to $2,500 a year."

http://www.politifact.com/t***h-o-meter/promises/obameter/promise/521/cut-cost-typical-familys-health-insurance-premium-/

The law may have had a modest impact on premiums, but its causing them to go up not down, as the Obama administration has claimed it would. The president campaigned on a promise to lower premiums by up to $2,500 for a typical family per year, largely by pushing doctors and hospitals to use electronic medical records. We looked at the claim and the study it was based upon in-depth, and experts told us getting widespread adoption of the technology in Obamas first, or even second, term was wishful thinking.

http://www.factcheck.org/2011/10/factchecking-health-insurance-premiums/

Richard94611 wrote:

You are distorting what he said. Your statement itself here is not true. He said that one might save "as much as 2500." Find me a statement of his that says every family will save $2500."

bmac32 Loc: West Florida

19 times in one speech he said up to $2500 per family. That is distorting the facts, find me someone who saved $2000, hell find someone who saved $1000! The exact oppsite is happening so you can spin it anyway you want.

Richard94611 wrote:

You are distorting what he said. Your statement itself here is not true. He said that one might save "as much as 2500." Find me a statement of his that says every family will save $2500."

bmac32 Loc: West Florida

No I am not distorting a thing. He failed to say what the deductables would be, in fact no mention. When you deductable doubles that means YOU have less money.

Richard94611 wrote:

BMAC, you, too, are distorting what he said.