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Nov 1, 2013 11:31:59   #
jay-are
 
jay-are wrote:
I also love what you are saying on this post. I have to make one distinction, however. Your comment about war needs a little massaging. It is not the answer to instigate war to get what we want, but, as with the revolution, and world war II, war is sometimes necessary and the only means conceivable to protect what is good. In that case, it happens, and we should enthusiastically join in to achieve a victory for what is right and good. The war on terror comes to mind.

That is my only insertion into this very good conversation.
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On second thought, I think I should have included the civil war in with wars that were fought for a noble cause to protect something good - the union.

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Nov 1, 2013 11:58:50   #
Ve'hoe
 
That depends on what side you found yourself. States rights was the main reason people like Jeff Davis, Lee, Longstreet, and Jackson said to hell with a "Union" that is going to pick away at and/or determine what exactly our states had the right to do,,,, looking forward, they were right,,, they had one chink in their armor,,, s***ery

jay-are wrote:
On second thought, I think I should have included the civil war in with wars that were fought for a noble cause to protect something good - the union.

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Nov 1, 2013 12:21:02   #
jay-are
 
Ve'hoe wrote:
That depends on what side you found yourself. States rights was the main reason people like Jeff Davis, Lee, Longstreet, and Jackson said to hell with a "Union" that is going to pick away at and/or determine what exactly our states had the right to do,,,, looking forward, they were right,,, they had one chink in their armor,,, s***ery


I agree, both sides had a noble cause, so the war was justified.

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Nov 1, 2013 12:44:14   #
Ve'hoe
 
Having been on the losing side by birth,,,, I would say inevitable rather than justified.
Like I said before, we Indians were "justified" but we damn sure got our butts kicked... and we lost everything,,, but the white man let us live.... "We" never let our enemies live.

jay-are wrote:
I agree, both sides had a noble cause, so the war was justified.

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Nov 1, 2013 12:44:44   #
Augustus Greatorex Loc: NE
 
jay-are wrote:
I agree, both sides had a noble cause, so the war was justified.


The separation was justified, not the war.

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Nov 1, 2013 12:45:17   #
Ve'hoe
 
I would say inevitable more than justified

jay-are wrote:
I agree, both sides had a noble cause, so the war was justified.

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Nov 1, 2013 12:49:38   #
Ve'hoe
 
Since we are wallowing in history today,,, JEB Stuart,, famous cavalry General under lee,,, developed his cavalry tactics against my people and the commanche, Kiowa, and arapahoe,,, whose tactics he adopted. Injuns were GD mean fighters,,,,and JEB learned well,,,

Ve'hoe wrote:
I would say inevitable more than justified

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Nov 1, 2013 12:58:38   #
Ve'hoe
 
Hmmmm ??? Took me a while,, but I like this!! You are right.

Augustus Greatorex wrote:
The separation was justified, not the war.

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Nov 1, 2013 13:01:11   #
Puds Loc: So Centrl MN
 
Ve'hoe wrote:
Hmmmm ??? Took me a while,, but I like this!! You are right.


Did he not serve under Grant at that time?

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Nov 1, 2013 13:38:47   #
Ve'hoe
 
I don't think so, grant was up in the northwest if I recall, he was away from his wife and drinking not heavily but he was very effected by alcohol,,, that is where he got the rep as a drunk... I would have to look it up

Puds wrote:
Did he not serve under Grant at that time?

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Nov 1, 2013 13:51:22   #
Richard Griffith
 
Could this be true of how we view the Bible. As far as I can tell. MAN wrote the Bible. Could it be possible that what we are so willing to believe by blind faith, that some of it is made up, interpreted through time, over many thousands of years, and the t***h is distorted, added to, interjected, as to intent of the writers,as to what they really said and left open to interpretation. I only suggest, for I really do not know beyond a shadow of a doubt, that because of the 400 or so Bibles back then, what is the real t***h. Take the missing years of Jesus. What we don't know sometimes outweighs the knowledge that we do know. Scientific fact>the world is billions of years old>religion is 6,000 yrs old>cavemen hundreds of millions old etc. I have trouble with all the misinformation from the news media/heresay info and sensational journalism, that the world news and what we are willing to believe can be distorted or a complete s**m. Believe half of what you see and 1/4th of what you here!!! i was taught that at an early age and things are not always what they appear to be. Paul Revere story was possible ficticious as Santa Claus, the tooth fairy and the Easter Bunny!!!

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Nov 1, 2013 14:03:50   #
Ve'hoe
 
Careful with that Easter Bunny crap!!

That is the beauty of the bible,, it is many books put together, the oldest of which is Job (I believe) so it is not in linear reference,,, but it says "the t***h shall set you free" and it will,,, but it was compiled by veritable cave men too,, yet seems as germane today as ever. It is "IMHO" merely a story of humanity,,, and that apparently hasn't changed from the caves until now, people are people, not so hard to predict how they will become, if not guided by some written principle,,, like say a bible??? True or not,,,, would the creator of all be afraid of you finding out about him/her?? Doubtful,,,,,the "mystery" is in people trying to alter the word for their own gains,,,,, It isn't hard to believe Jesus had so little history, he was hidden most of his life, and when his ministry started he was from Nazareth,,, like saying he came out of Compton Calif or Tiajuana,,, by the time he came of importance he was dead, and travelled only about 36-50 miles,,,,,,see nothing really changes

Richard Griffith wrote:
Could this be true of how we view the Bible. As far as I can tell. MAN wrote the Bible. Could it be possible that what we are so willing to believe by blind faith, that some of it is made up, interpreted through time, over many thousands of years, and the t***h is distorted, added to, interjected, as to intent of the writers,as to what they really said and left open to interpretation. I only suggest, for I really do not know beyond a shadow of a doubt, that because of the 400 or so Bibles back then, what is the real t***h. Take the missing years of Jesus. What we don't know sometimes outweighs the knowledge that we do know. Scientific fact>the world is billions of years old>religion is 6,000 yrs old>cavemen hundreds of millions old etc. I have trouble with all the misinformation from the news media/heresay info and sensational journalism, that the world news and what we are willing to believe can be distorted or a complete s**m. Believe half of what you see and 1/4th of what you here!!! i was taught that at an early age and things are not always what they appear to be. Paul Revere story was possible ficticious as Santa Claus, the tooth fairy and the Easter Bunny!!!
Could this be true of how we view the Bible. As fa... (show quote)

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Nov 1, 2013 14:30:42   #
Augustus Greatorex Loc: NE
 
Richard Griffith wrote:
Could this be true of how we view the Bible. As far as I can tell. MAN wrote the Bible. Could it be possible that what we are so willing to believe by blind faith, that some of it is made up, interpreted through time, over many thousands of years, and the t***h is distorted, added to, interjected, as to intent of the writers,as to what they really said and left open to interpretation. I only suggest, for I really do not know beyond a shadow of a doubt, that because of the 400 or so Bibles back then, what is the real t***h. Take the missing years of Jesus. What we don't know sometimes outweighs the knowledge that we do know. Scientific fact>the world is billions of years old>religion is 6,000 yrs old>cavemen hundreds of millions old etc. I have trouble with all the misinformation from the news media/heresay info and sensational journalism, that the world news and what we are willing to believe can be distorted or a complete s**m. Believe half of what you see and 1/4th of what you here!!! i was taught that at an early age and things are not always what they appear to be. Paul Revere story was possible ficticious as Santa Claus, the tooth fairy and the Easter Bunny!!!
Could this be true of how we view the Bible. As fa... (show quote)


So ready to believe that the world is billions of years old, and yet so skeptical of a religious text. By what scientific study did the age of the Earth become known fact?

There was no such study. Someone wrote it was scientifically proven, and you believe it. You probably don't even know who first wrote it. How do you know it is not a complete fiction?

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Nov 1, 2013 14:46:17   #
jay-are
 
Augustus Greatorex wrote:
The separation was justified, not the war.


Forgive me. I don't get it. What does that mean?

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Nov 1, 2013 14:56:23   #
jay-are
 
Richard Griffith wrote:
Could this be true of how we view the Bible. As far as I can tell. MAN wrote the Bible. Could it be possible that what we are so willing to believe by blind faith, that some of it is made up, interpreted through time, over many thousands of years, and the t***h is distorted, added to, interjected, as to intent of the writers,as to what they really said and left open to interpretation. I only suggest, for I really do not know beyond a shadow of a doubt, that because of the 400 or so Bibles back then, what is the real t***h. Take the missing years of Jesus. What we don't know sometimes outweighs the knowledge that we do know. Scientific fact>the world is billions of years old>religion is 6,000 yrs old>cavemen hundreds of millions old etc. I have trouble with all the misinformation from the news media/heresay info and sensational journalism, that the world news and what we are willing to believe can be distorted or a complete s**m. Believe half of what you see and 1/4th of what you here!!! i was taught that at an early age and things are not always what they appear to be. Paul Revere story was possible ficticious as Santa Claus, the tooth fairy and the Easter Bunny!!!
Could this be true of how we view the Bible. As fa... (show quote)


The t***h is everything is faith. We don't know anything for sure. The age of the earth, - not a scientific fact. We don't know for sure. It is a theory, unproven.

How did Captain Kirk know whether there was life on objects in space? If there were buildings, or cities, etc. they were evidence of intelligent life. Could a building or a vehicle exist in nature, without an intelligent being creating it? No.

So how can a complicated organism like plants or animals exist without an intelligent being creating them? Impossible. The odds it could happen by accident are so tiny as to be non-existent.

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