Dave Loc: Upstate New York

Chardo - so you too see personal attacks from me, and you see a need for support from others -

Yes, I have views shaped by personal experience, I tell what I think and why I think it, and if that hurts feelings so be it. You and many of the ideological soulmates like to focus on feelings and motives but get uncomfortable when discussing thoughts and results - and for that I make no apologies to you folks.

The Progressive Patriot

I shared something somewhat personal with you and you chose to use it against me. You can't lighten up at all. You cant give an inch. That's an indication that you have some serious issues that you need to deal with. I'm quite comfortable with "thoughts and results" and my thoughts make sense, they are grounded in reality. You're living in some other reality that I can't relate to. I will not be responding further.

Dave Loc: Upstate New York

I don't understand why you think I used something against you personaly. I used what you said in the context of the discussion.

I, too, shared personal information in the context of points I attempted to make.

I have no desire to make you uncomfortable, and if I state something that isn't true, it should be refutable without making you uncomfortable. If, however, it isn't refutable, your discomfort isn't caused by me.

Respond, or not, as you'd like - as I have and will - and despite you shots at me, I am as comfortable ending these discussions as I was beginning them.

Spirit of 76

Dave, you have more patience than I to continue reasoning with people who are unable to reason. Our educational system has been under the gradual control of liberal, socialistic philosophy since John Dewey. Now over 100 years later they have TOTAL control over curriculum. They are government run schools that have totally indocrinated our population with propaganda that has taught them that Capitalism and Christianity are the cause of everything that is wrong in this world. In reality, our "educational system" has not only brainwashed our younger citizens but it has failed to teach them critical thinking sk**ls to see through such b.s. as Salon and the alternet. It's laughable to see people buying into the stuff in that Salon article. Hell, those 10 points haven't been taught in our public schools since......well, at least 60 years, if not more. And to think that those points will ever be in a gov't. school is paranoid (at the most) and over-rated (at the least). As far as those liberal conversationalists go, good luck trying to help them see the fallacy of their thinking/indoctrination...I think they're a lost cause and h**eful to top it off!

The Progressive Patriot

Really Spirit? Well I'm out of patience with you. You're so full of crap that I can smell it here in NJ, You're either a shameless liar or delusional . Have you looked at the sources. here is just one : http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2012/jun/21/how-texas-inflicts-bad-textbooks-on-us/?pagination=false

The Progressive Patriot

Heard about alec....It's been in the news, not made up.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/02/01/alec-bill-in-three-states-to-require-c*****e-c****e-denial-in-schools/

Spirit of 76

Really? Dude, that crap smell REALLY IS N.J. (at least the northern part....southern part is nice), not me. And thank you for making my point about the h**eful part. You know, in your retirement years you really should relax and enjoy instead of picking fights with conservatives....it's a losing battle as the whole country is starting to wake up to the liberal socialist lies you try to promote. You all have gotten overconfident in the way you've fooled the country and now you're getting way too obvious and even the main stream media is calling out your leader (BHO) on his deceit. It's not too late to admit your misconceptions and see the t***h for what it is. You'll be a happier person for it!

Dave Loc: Upstate New York

1.What is bizarre is a professional social worker who is surprised that overwhelmingly children of single mothers have problems with drugs, education, crime and their own single parenthood in number far in excess of two parent families.
2. You have to also have carefully avoided sources other than left wing publications to find it surprising that government programs enable single parenting. I'm guessing you are totally unfamiliar with social scientists like Walter E Williams and Thomas Sowell, but do a bit of checking out the studies conducted by a person I'm sure you heard of - Daniel Patrick Moynihan. He conducted studies and wrote extensively on the subject as far back as the '70's.
3. No where did I state that all dysfunction families are poor, not did I state that all children of single mothers are troubled - and I know you are intelligent and literate enough to know that. Your statement in this regards is clearly a straw man, meant to argue against a position that no one took.

I see now that you see this discussion as some kind of contest, that I used your words "against" you - and you even suggested you needed to discontinue discussion because of my attack. Notice, however, that I take no issue with you suggesting I am bizarre - and other personal shots - I don't take such issue because I can deal with simple facts and I respond to what you say, not what I wish you said, like you did with this and other straw men.

Recognizing that you and I have significantly different experiences, that provides the basis for discussion - not contest. I don't assume my experiences are somehow more noble than yours, nor do I assume I'm somehow more moral than anyone else.
I say what I think, I explain why I think it, and while my experiences may be different - they provide no less a base of knowledge than others.

I've learned a lot about the experiences of those in both education and social work by listening to what they say and trying to understand the dynamics of the world they live in - I'd suggest you don't even make such an effort on your own life experiences - certainly if you are truly surprised to hear that single motherhood is strongly associated with poverty and child rearing difficulties.

And, I have no problem with you avoiding further discussion with me - that is one of the many rights you have.

Country Conservative Loc: South Georgia

To begin with, you have to consider the source of this article. As usual, the left is twisting morals and principles to suit them. --R****m did exist and very much happened. Furthermore, southern democrats did start the KKK.
-Joe McCarthy was right about some things.
-C*****e c****e is a massive h**x scientist has perpetuated on the public is very true! Oh this world will be very much destroyed by a “g****l w*****g”, however it will not be man made. READ YOUR BIBLE!
-And yes, the Bible is a history book…the left should read it more often than criticizing it all the time.
-Black people are the descendants of Ham and therefore cursed by God...Never heard this before however it fits under their #1 lie. Screaming r****m when people will not go along with their progressive movement.
-Evolution is a massive h**x scientist has perpetuated on the public…True Again! The crazy lefts call the constitution a document, which is evolving!
-Sex is awful and filthy, and you should save it for someone you love. No it’s not awful, however you should wait until you are married. You know Gods Laws! Better than pushing sex on kindergartens and pushing to k**l their unborn children when they were to irresponsible to protect them or just wait until you are married.
-D**gons actually once existed…Never heard this one either. Quite sure it has to do with dinosaurs. The left twisting the facts again.
-Gay people do not actually exist…oh they do! And it is NOT a normal act. Nor were they born that way, as the left likes to push. Homosexuality is an abolishment to God, therefore he would not make someone gay!
-Hippies were dirty, immoral Satan-worshippers…don’t know about this one either...However know a lot of dirty hippies and most are atheists and/or agonistic.
-Ayn Rand’s books have literary value…this is a new one as well…but if it pisses off the left..GOOD FOR THEM! Of all the crap the left have already crammed down kids throats…what comes around goes around!

Really? The left has got to better than the above. We true conservatives do not need to change our principles. The left does!

hoodmik

The Bible is about as much a history book as Goldilocks and the three bears. The Bible was written by a group of chauvinistic old white guys to fit their beliefs Homosexuality is caused by cross wired c********es a person is born with. Very few people choose to be homosexual and no, they cannot pray themselves straight. You are a r****t if you think any nationality or the color of ones skin makes them less of a person than anyone else. Joe McCarthy was a womanizing drunk with an over inflated ego that used yellow press techniques in an attempt to make a hero out of himself. If you honestly think evolution is a h**x then you are dumb. Their is so much physical proof to back up evolution whereas creationism only has one book written by old men as it's proof. It is full of contradictions between the old and new Testament. Isn't is past time they wrote a newer Testament to keep up with modern times ? Not a single piece of physical evidence to support it's fairytale stories. Hippies come from all forms of life. This hippy is clean a professional, and an Atheist and proud of it.

Spirit of 76

[quote=Country Conservative]To begin with, you have to consider the source of this article. As usual, the left is twisting morals and principles to suit them. --R****m did exist and very much happened. Furthermore, southern democrats did start the KKK.
-Joe McCarthy was right about some things.
-C*****e c****e is a massive h**x scientist has perpetuated on the public is very true! Oh this world will be very much destroyed by a “g****l w*****g”, however it will not be man made. READ YOUR BIBLE!
-And yes, the Bible is a history book…the left should read it more often than criticizing it all the time.
-Black people are the descendants of Ham and therefore cursed by God...Never heard this before however it fits under their #1 lie. Screaming r****m when people will not go along with their progressive movement.
-Evolution is a massive h**x scientist has perpetuated on the public…True Again! The crazy lefts call the constitution a document, which is evolving!
-Sex is awful and filthy, and you should save it for someone you love. No it’s not awful, however you should wait until you are married. You know Gods Laws! Better than pushing sex on kindergartens and pushing to k**l their unborn children when they were to irresponsible to protect them or just wait until you are married.
-D**gons actually once existed…Never heard this one either. Quite sure it has to do with dinosaurs. The left twisting the facts again.
-Gay people do not actually exist…oh they do! And it is NOT a normal act. Nor were they born that way, as the left likes to push. Homosexuality is an abolishment to God, therefore he would not make someone gay!
-Hippies were dirty, immoral Satan-worshippers…don’t know about this one either...However know a lot of dirty hippies and most are atheists and/or agonistic.
-Ayn Rand’s books have literary value…this is a new one as well…but if it pisses off the left..GOOD FOR THEM! Of all the crap the left have already crammed down kids throats…what comes around goes around!

Really? The left has got to better than the above. We true conservatives do not need to change our principles. The left does![/quote

Country Conservative, nice response to an innane comment and article put out there by Chardo.......he (and many liberals) do that alot. They make me think of Mark Twain's famous quote: "How can anything so rare be called common sense?"

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

Is there any chance that your new Bible would be written by atheist progressives? If so, I wonder what the changes would be and why any of them would be t***h. I have never considered the Bible to be a history book other than that the Old Testament is only a history of the Hebrew people, in my eyes. Why, yes, the New Testament does tend to be a bit of a rewrite of much of the Old Testament but then after 2000 years i guess it is time for it to be rewritten by some group of progressives, most of who would be atheists.

hoodmik

Why would an Atheist rewrite the Bible ? Most of us follow Pantheism. Several good books already exist on this subject

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

To replace the Holy Bible with something more progressive in nature, I would say.

Spirit of 76

It's amazing that you can see through the fallacy of a creator. I'm impressed that you have come up with the scientific secrets of the universe that show the fictitious nature of such an unscientific document as the Bible. Please tell me how this universe, with all it's geometric and mathematical precision, came into existence? That's one of the things that has always puzzled me. After explaining that, please tell me how the earth fits into this mystery, especially in light of the probability that we are the only planet in our solar system that can sustain life in our form? Of course, if you know that, it would probably be an explanation too long for this format so please just give me the "cliff notes". Thanks