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Oct 9, 2013 18:37:42   #
faithistheword
 
AuntiE wrote:
I did not even provide the example from a church whose congregants "adopted" three single mothers living in a complex close to their church. They gathered used toys (in good condition), used clothing, etc., etc. They also helped paint each apartment, redo the floors, some plumbing work and so forth. Apparently a few jealous neighbors complained. You need not guess what happened. Another act of kindness to benefit these three women and their children, and they were warned they must meet county criteria for safety of the toys, painting, etc. They could only utilize county licensed individuals.

Basically what the sugadores de sang bureaucrats want is the churches to hand them the money to distribute as opposed to church's making the decision as to where THEIR money goes.
I did not even provide the example from a church w... (show quote)




THEIR money; THEIR labor; THEIR choice as to whom they help--woops! Perhaps that's what they object to most?

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Oct 9, 2013 18:47:16   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
slatten49 wrote:
AuntiE, I will not repeat your post....we both know what you had to say, and justifiably so! Even though I was speaking in my earlier post to the "bigger" picture of overall Church-based assistance, nationwide, your illustrations of frustration would draw the ire of anyone.

It is reprehensible that someone, somewhere, in any form of government could not coordinate such assistance by and for any charitable group. I have to assume that such assistance did not seek approval or specifications needed to provide such massive assistance. If so, why not? Could it have been arranged in a reasonable, compromising way?

If not, then I even more understand your ire. That is something that local governmental officials should be able to coordinate, with possible help from state or federal agencies. Where there is a will, there should be a way!

In your cases presented, you had every right to rant...and rave on, and on , and on....... :hunf:
AuntiE, I will not repeat your post....we both kno... (show quote)


Why should a church have to go groveling for approval to provide charitable acts? People consistently speak, at great long and loud length, about separation of church and state. It either is or is not. If it is separate there is no need for governmental approval of church activities. ONE SIZE DOES NOT FIT ALL!!!!!!!!!! What may work in my microcosm may not work even ten miles from me. It is the very local people in a community who see the needs of their "immediate" community and how to address the.

I posted this in reply to another on this thread; however, it is worth repeating the sugardores de sangue bureaucrats want the churches to hand over the churches charitable donations, and the sugardores de sangue will decide who is most deserving. The monies may not even return to the community from wince they came. They are called community churches for a reason. Need I define why they are called community churches?

Because I am TRULY attempting to retain some civility and dignity, I will NOT post the exact words running through my head to your, "That is something that local governmental officials should be able to coordinate with the possible help from state or federal agencies."

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Oct 9, 2013 18:47:40   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
faithistheword wrote:
THEIR money; THEIR labor; THEIR choice as to whom they help--woops! Perhaps that's what they object to most?


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Oct 9, 2013 18:51:11   #
VladimirPee
 
2 of the dumbest articles I have ever read. Filled with generalizations and lies.

Most Tea Party events which drew large crowds were not in Deep Southern Evangelical Area's. Stop listening to Homosexuals like Andrew Sullivan


Tea Party rallies continued in various locales around the nation. Many of these events were focused on opposition to state or local taxes and spending, rather than with national issues. Late April saw Tea Parties in Annapolis, Maryland, White Plains, New York,[90] Jackson, Tennessee,[91] and Monroe, Washington.[92] In May, there were six more Tea Party events in Tennessee,[93] New York,[94] Idaho,[95] Ohio,[96] Nevada,[97] and North Carolina.[98] During June, 2009, another dozen events were held in North Carolina,[99] California,[100] Rhode Island,[101] Texas,[102] Ohio,[103] Michigan,[104] Montana,[105] Florida,[106] New York,[107] and Washington State.[108]

rumitoid wrote:
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/frankschaeffer/2013/10/send-the-bill-for-the-shutdown-to-the-evangelicals/

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/formerlyfundie/government-shut-down/

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Oct 9, 2013 19:00:35   #
Navysnipe Loc: Old West
 
faithistheword wrote:
THEIR money; THEIR labor; THEIR choice as to whom they help--woops! Perhaps that's what they object to most?


God wants us to rely on Him, the government wants us to rely on them, thereby taking the focus off of God. That's why I say satan has his hand in government. It going to get worse...much worse.

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Oct 9, 2013 19:10:19   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
Navysnipe wrote:
God wants us to rely on Him, the government wants us to rely on them, thereby taking the focus off of God. That's why I say satan has his hand in government. It going to get worse...much worse.


The government has NO way to overcome the word faith. It frustrates them beyond any comprehension.

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Oct 9, 2013 19:41:55   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
AuntiE wrote:
Why should a church have to go groveling for approval to provide charitable acts? People consistently speak, at great long and loud length, about separation of church and state. It either is or is not. If it is separate there is no need for governmental approval of church activities. ONE SIZE DOES NOT FIT ALL!!!!!!!!!! What may work in my microcosm may not work even ten miles from me. It is the very local people in a community who see the needs of their "immediate" community and how to address the.

I posted this in reply to another on this thread; however, it is worth repeating the sugardores de sangue bureaucrats want the churches to hand over the churches charitable donations, and the sugardores de sangue will decide who is most deserving. The monies may not even return to the community from wince they came. They are called community churches for a reason. Need I define why they are called community churches?

Because I am TRULY attempting to retain some civility and dignity, I will NOT post the exact words running through my head to your, "That is something that local governmental officials should be able to coordinate with the possible help from state or federal agencies."
Why should a church have to go groveling for appro... (show quote)



I agree, AuntiE.

However, if it is inevitable that such intrusions exist, why not at least try to work out a situation where both sides get what they want, if at all possible? Sure, it probably won't happen, but...maybe it would. An attempt to work between opposing camps could produce an equitable arrangement.

How do other charitable groups, like Salvation Army, YMCA, etc. get away with their charitable "give-a-ways"?
I know of many churches and religiously affiliated groups here in Texas that offer such services, without retribution from governmental groups. They are all small, community-type get-togethers to help the needy.

Trust me, I have heard, read, and said any of the things running through your head...and then some, on many occasions in my life. I would survive, with probable shock value clinging to me in its' wake.:shock::oops::roll::wink:

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Oct 9, 2013 19:57:03   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
slatten49 wrote:
I agree, AuntiE.

However, if it is inevitable that such intrusions exist, why not at least try to work out a situation where both sides get what they want, if at all possible? Sure, it probably won't happen, but...maybe it would. An attempt to work between opposing camps could produce an equitable arrangement.

How do other charitable groups, like Salvation Army, YMCA, etc. get away with their charitable "give-a-ways"?
I know of many churches and religiously affiliated groups here in Texas that offer such services, without retribution from governmental groups. They are all small, community-type get-togethers to help the needy.

Trust me, I have heard, read, and said any of the things running through your head...and then some, on many occasions in my life. I would survive, with probable shock value clinging to me in its' wake.:shock::oops::roll::wink:
I agree, AuntiE. br br However, if it is inevit... (show quote)


Large charitable groups get away with their " give-a-ways" because they are large and have the wherewithal to deal with/against the bureaucracy.

Honey chile (southern spelling) you are in TX. I am not. I am in a bureaucratic "do it our way or you do not do it".

Although these comments are about Christian Charity, here comes my unChristian statement. If the County Executive, my State House Delegate dropped of illness in front of my house, I would call the Department of Sanitation to have the pile of defecation removed from the street.

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Oct 9, 2013 20:08:44   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
AuntiE wrote:
Large charitable groups get away with their " give-a-ways" because they are large and have the wherewithal to deal with/against the bureaucracy.

Honey chile (southern spelling) you are in TX. I am not. I am in a bureaucratic "do it our way or you do not do it".

Although these comments are about Christian Charity, here comes my unChristian statement. If the County Executive, my State House Delegate dropped of illness in front of my house, I would call the Department of Sanitation to have the pile of defecation removed from the street.
Large charitable groups get away with their "... (show quote)



No feces!?

:shock: :oops: :roll: :wink: :lol: :thumbup:

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Oct 9, 2013 20:18:11   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
slatten49 wrote:
No feces!?

:shock: :oops: :roll: :wink: :lol: :thumbup:


I like the rolling sound of multiple syllables. :mrgreen: :shock: 8-)

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