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Jan 29, 2016 17:41:22   #
peter11937 Loc: NYS
 
PaulPisces wrote:
Missinglink -

This is definitely an interesting commentary. I'd be more inclined to believe that his views are science-based if he would actually quote the sources of his data instead of simply saying "..they are out there for anyone who wants to find them..."
Further I think his linking of "c*****e c****e deniers" to "holocaust deniers" to be both illogical and inflammatory.

I see a major flaw in his thesis that what we are experiencing is simply another chapter in the earth's long history of change. All the major changes to which he refers took millennia to leave their impact, and did so when there was no industrial pollution of any kind since it did not exist. What we are experiencing now is rapid change where we see major fluctuations within a human generation.

Here is one scientific article supporting anthropogenic causes for c*****e c****e that presents verifiable facts.

http://www.wmo.int/pages/themes/climate/causes_of_climate_change.php
Missinglink - br br This is definitely an intere... (show quote)


Funny, not a singe "scientist named in your article. Factually, it is wrong as well. The atmosphere retained heat, which the article does not state , comes from the SUN, that WATER VAPOR, which they blow off, accounts for 95% of that temp. retention, CO2 less than 4%, and all the rest just over 1.1. Further, there is no accounting for the anthropogenic contribution. Ab igure that is, expressed as a percentage, about 0.28% of the total. Simply put, Without any human influence at all, the Earth's atmosphere would have 99.72% of the temporary heat retention ability that it does now. An amount that does not support the idea that it is humanity causing c*****e c****e. Also, this all fails to account for the effects of the oceand retention of the Sun's energy, which is substantial and distributed by the many currents and counter currents around the world, nor does it account for the effects of the cloud cover or the causes of cloud formation, such as cosmic ray density in the upper atmosphere.
If you want scientists in the field the home pages of Dr. Roy Spencer, Dr. Don Easterbrook, Dr. Judith Curry, Dr. Tim Ball, Dr. John R. Christy to na e a very few, disagree with the anthropogenis warming theory as well. Where are the scientists, other than Michael "Hockey-stick" Mann?

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Jan 29, 2016 17:42:52   #
peter11937 Loc: NYS
 
cSc61 wrote:
Although it has become a religion for some, anthropogenic (which is just a fancy word for man-made) c*****e c****e is political. It is the tool g*******ts intend to use to usher in global governance. That fact is not easily accepted by most but nevertheless is an absolute.

While the science of man-made c*****e c****e is definitely NOT settled, people's opinions/beliefs of it definitely are. Neither side at this point can nor will be convinced that they are wrong.

The 'deniers' are never going to be duped and the zealots can never admit to themselves or others that they've been duped. It's the immovable object against the irresistible force.

Less effort should be spent attempting to win others to our side and more effort spent defeating (or at least mitigating) the impact this politically-driven h**x will have on our economic freedoms.
Although it has become a religion for some, anthro... (show quote)


Exactly! :thumbup:

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Jan 29, 2016 17:54:13   #
peter11937 Loc: NYS
 
Richard94611 wrote:
What many deniers forget is that although c*****e c****ed and g****l w*****g have occurred many times through the geological history of the world, the extreme ones did not occur when humans inhabited the earth in large coastal cities. The effects on human being, not dinosaurs, is what the concern is about. If c*****e c****e inundates a Miami full of human beings, that's a lot different in importance to us than if it inundated uninhabited miles of beach and mangrove swamp.


Yu reality deniers know that manbearpig, Algore said that it has already happened....fear mongering is not science. Fla, most of it is CORAL, and was, in fact, underwater at some time in the distant past, long before man had the ability to walk upright or forecast weather, under water. Between the last glaciation and now, the oceans have come up 350 feet, and there's not much more than can possibly melt as long as Antarctica stays where it is. Last I checked it has been there for over 3 million years and will be there another 3 million years , after that, all bets are off.

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Jan 29, 2016 18:05:46   #
Ricko Loc: Florida
 
Richard94611 wrote:
The usual denier reaction. Since you don't listen to facts, it isn't worth bothering with you.


Richard-something that is believed to be true by some is not a "fact" but rather an "opinion". As Patrick Moore said, the science is not settled and nobody can either prove or disprove his statement. This is another liberal scare tactic to be used by Obama for wealth t***sfer from the USA so that every country can be equal which is his convoluted view of how the world should be. We just experienced 30 inches of g****l w*****g in the DC area. Good Luck America !!!

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Jan 29, 2016 18:06:38   #
Ricko Loc: Florida
 
peter11937 wrote:
Yu reality deniers know that manbearpig, Algore said that it has already happened....fear mongering is not science. Fla, most of it is CORAL, and was, in fact, underwater at some time in the distant past, long before man had the ability to walk upright or forecast weather, under water. Between the last glaciation and now, the oceans have come up 350 feet, and there's not much more than can possibly melt as long as Antarctica stays where it is. Last I checked it has been there for over 3 million years and will be there another 3 million years , after that, all bets are off.
Yu reality deniers know that manbearpig, Algore sa... (show quote)


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: Peter, to many of these left wing clowns the newspaper comic page is science. Good Luck America !!!

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Jan 29, 2016 20:44:28   #
Artemis
 
PaulPisces wrote:
Missinglink -

This is definitely an interesting commentary. I'd be more inclined to believe that his views are science-based if he would actually quote the sources of his data instead of simply saying "..they are out there for anyone who wants to find them..."
Further I think his linking of "c*****e c****e deniers" to "holocaust deniers" to be both illogical and inflammatory.

I see a major flaw in his thesis that what we are experiencing is simply another chapter in the earth's long history of change. All the major changes to which he refers took millennia to leave their impact, and did so when there was no industrial pollution of any kind since it did not exist. What we are experiencing now is rapid change where we see major fluctuations within a human generation.

Here is one scientific article supporting anthropogenic causes for c*****e c****e that presents verifiable facts.

http://www.wmo.int/pages/themes/climate/causes_of_climate_change.php
Missinglink - br br This is definitely an intere... (show quote)


Great link Paul :thumbup: Who is WMO ? It is The World Meteorological Organization (WMO) is a specialized agency of the United Nations. It is the UN system's authoritative voice on the state and behaviour of the Earth's atmosphere, its interaction with the oceans, the climate it produces and the resulting distribution of water resources.

Who is PragerU /Dennis Prager~Dennis Prager is a neoconservative radio host, professional tone troll, and conspiracy theorist who believes that the United States is a Christian nation, and that it's under attack from "secular l*****ts" who control the media, universities, public education system, and other institutions. Despite being a fairly extreme conservative, to the point of being a weekly WND columnist, he does moderate on certain issues such as a******n and, to his credit, he does seem to know quite a bit about religion and aspects of United States history.

One link being biased, the other not.

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Jan 29, 2016 20:46:59   #
Artemis
 
cSc61 wrote:
Although it has become a religion for some, anthropogenic (which is just a fancy word for man-made) c*****e c****e is political. It is the tool g*******ts intend to use to usher in global governance. That fact is not easily accepted by most but nevertheless is an absolute.

While the science of man-made c*****e c****e is definitely NOT settled, people's opinions/beliefs of it definitely are. Neither side at this point can nor will be convinced that they are wrong.

The 'deniers' are never going to be duped and the zealots can never admit to themselves or others that they've been duped. It's the immovable object against the irresistible force.

Less effort should be spent attempting to win others to our side and more effort spent defeating (or at least mitigating) the impact this politically-driven h**x will have on our economic freedoms.
Although it has become a religion for some, anthro... (show quote)


Your opinion is not a fact nor an absolute.

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Jan 29, 2016 21:48:49   #
angery american Loc: Georgia
 
Richard94611 wrote:
What many deniers forget is that although c*****e c****ed and g****l w*****g have occurred many times through the geological history of the world, the extreme ones did not occur when humans inhabited the earth in large coastal cities. The effects on human being, not dinosaurs, is what the concern is about. If c*****e c****e inundates a Miami full of human beings, that's a lot different in importance to us than if it inundated uninhabited miles of beach and mangrove swamp.


If all the Humans are liberal democrats and morons like you....THEN bring on the FLOOD...American needs a good enema to flush all you crappy, stinky bastards out..

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Feb 1, 2016 13:38:44   #
PRM2014
 
PaulPisces wrote:
cSc61 - I read the article you posted and was anticipating some attributable data that could make the conversation about c*****e c****e a real debate. But I didn't find that in this article. It appears to me to be an opinion piece, with very vague references and a stance that simply presupposes data supporting manmade c*****e c****e to be false.

I can't pretend to know for sure, but considering all the other disastrous things man has done to our environment, I'm inclined to believe the evidence supporting the impact mankind has had on our climate.
cSc61 - I read the article you posted and was anti... (show quote)


C*****e C****e is the worlds greatest H**X ever pulled over on the people of the world. All a bunch of crooks, the likes of Big Al Gore and Obama the Blowhard, and many many more. Don't believe it for one second.

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Feb 1, 2016 15:18:53   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
Richard94611 wrote:
The usual denier reaction. Since you don't listen to facts, it isn't worth bothering with you.


Hey Mr. Far Left Leaner, is there a chance that you read all of the link provided by Paul? I would say that you failed toward the end of that one since the last three paragraphs indicated that if you don't accept everything from IPCC you must be one of those deniers. I do not so that makes me one of those denying righties. It seems to me that some of you from the far left just won't ever see the letters IPCC included in all this. Do you remember that the first lie told by the IPCC had something to do with hockey sticks?

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Feb 1, 2016 15:29:59   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
Artemis wrote:
Great link Paul :thumbup: Who is WMO ? It is The World Meteorological Organization (WMO) is a specialized agency of the United Nations. It is the UN system's authoritative voice on the state and behaviour of the Earth's atmosphere, its interaction with the oceans, the climate it produces and the resulting distribution of water resources.

Who is PragerU /Dennis Prager~Dennis Prager is a neoconservative radio host, professional tone troll, and conspiracy theorist who believes that the United States is a Christian nation, and that it's under attack from "secular l*****ts" who control the media, universities, public education system, and other institutions. Despite being a fairly extreme conservative, to the point of being a weekly WND columnist, he does moderate on certain issues such as a******n and, to his credit, he does seem to know quite a bit about religion and aspects of United States history.

One link being biased, the other not.
Great link Paul :thumbup: Who is WMO ? It is The W... (show quote)


I will have to say that you are just as biased one way as I am the other. I suggest that you read the last three paragraphs of the WMO article that just brags on the letters IPCC. Here are those words for you to read to see just how biased the WMO is, at least as bad as we are. Now give some thought to which is the biased link.

[Further information]on the Greenhouse effect and its causes can be found in the IPCC’s frequently asked questions section: What is the greenhouse effect?, How do Human Activities Contribute to C*****e C****e and How do They Compare with Natural Influences?

[Further information]can be found on Carbon Dioxide and its human origins in the IPCC’s frequently asked questions section: Are the Increases in Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide and Other Greenhouse Gases During the Industrial Era Caused by Human Activities?

[More in depth information] on expected impacts and elements of c*****e c****e can befound in the IPCC Fourth Assessment Report, working group 1, specifically chapter 9 on understanding and attributing c*****e c****e.

I will accept your words about Prager but think that you should tell me what IPCC you can find something other than what I say about that "thing".

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Feb 1, 2016 15:42:32   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
angery american wrote:
If all the Humans are liberal democrats and morons like you....THEN bring on the FLOOD...American needs a good enema to flush all you crappy, stinky bastards out..


That good flushing may be very needed. For instance, about three years ago our good old EPA was very near k*****g off our entire cow herd, or at least trying to do so. They were talking very strongly about taxing farmers for the farts their cattle blew out and many farmers were thinking seriously about selling their cattle out. Those foolish people surely didn't consider the fact that the dinosaurs, ruminants, also, could fire shots of methane gas in one fart that would dwarf several cattle, at once. Anyway they backed down but just before the witch in charge of the EPA resigned started talking like that again.

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Feb 1, 2016 15:52:18   #
peter11937 Loc: NYS
 
oldroy wrote:
Hey Mr. Far Left Leaner, is there a chance that you read all of the link provided by Paul? I would say that you failed toward the end of that one since the last three paragraphs indicated that if you don't accept everything from IPCC you must be one of those deniers. I do not so that makes me one of those denying righties. It seems to me that some of you from the far left just won't ever see the letters IPCC included in all this. Do you remember that the first lie told by the IPCC had something to do with hockey sticks?
Hey Mr. Far Left Leaner, is there a chance that yo... (show quote)


No one denies the fact that c*****e c****es. It always has and always will. The question is what drives c*****e c****e is at issue. I believe that it is a combination of the Sun's energy output, which varies in cycles, the shape of Earth's orbit, which is not perfectly round, but an oval that varies over time, the axial tilt, which varies over a 24,000 or so year period, and Cosmic rays (neutrons stripped from their atoms), then the rest is how the Earth handles the changes, air currents, ocean currents, counter currents, cloud cover , location of the continents, volcanic activity levels, and other lesser factors such as the makeup of the atmosphere. As that has stabilized these last few hundred million years, that alone, much less the altering of CO2, a gas that is less than one percent of the atmosphere (380 to 400 parts per million) to which humanity contributes less than 1/2 of one percent it is exceptionally extremely unlikely that human generated CO2 affects climate or effects any changes.

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Feb 1, 2016 16:04:18   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
peter11937 wrote:
No one denies the fact that c*****e c****es. It always has and always will. The question is what drives c*****e c****e is at issue. I believe that it is a combination of the Sun's energy output, which varies in cycles, the shape of Earth's orbit, which is not perfectly round, but an oval that varies over time, the axial tilt, which varies over a 24,000 or so year period, and Cosmic rays (neutrons stripped from their atoms), then the rest is how the Earth handles the changes, air currents, ocean currents, counter currents, cloud cover , location of the continents, volcanic activity levels, and other lesser factors such as the makeup of the atmosphere. As that has stabilized these last few hundred million years, that alone, much less the altering of CO2, a gas that is less than one percent of the atmosphere (380 to 400 parts per million) to which humanity contributes less than 1/2 of one percent it is exceptionally extremely unlikely that human generated CO2 affects climate or effects any changes.
No one denies the fact that c*****e c****es. It al... (show quote)


Have you ever tried to stack all this on one of these reality deniers, with any success? I have always wondered if they know anything about how trees are being planted by those who cut trees.

Talking about the facts you listed to warmers is like trying to convince fence posts that they could relocate if they wanted to.

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Feb 1, 2016 16:11:26   #
peter11937 Loc: NYS
 
oldroy wrote:
I will have to say that you are just as biased one way as I am the other. I suggest that you read the last three paragraphs of the WMO article that just brags on the letters IPCC. Here are those words for you to read to see just how biased the WMO is, at least as bad as we are. Now give some thought to which is the biased link.

[Further information]on the Greenhouse effect and its causes can be found in the IPCC’s frequently asked questions section: What is the greenhouse effect?, How do Human Activities Contribute to C*****e C****e and How do They Compare with Natural Influences?

[Further information]can be found on Carbon Dioxide and its human origins in the IPCC’s frequently asked questions section: Are the Increases in Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide and Other Greenhouse Gases During the Industrial Era Caused by Human Activities?

[More in depth information] on expected impacts and elements of c*****e c****e can befound in the IPCC Fourth Assessment Report, working group 1, specifically chapter 9 on understanding and attributing c*****e c****e.

I will accept your words about Prager but think that you should tell me what IPCC you can find something other than what I say about that "thing".
I will have to say that you are just as biased one... (show quote)


The accurate facts about so called greenhouse gas is that 95% of that is WATER VAPOR. CO2 is under 4%, of that >4 percent 0.28 percent is from humans. Exactly how do you think that tiny amount drives climate Do you understand the BENEFITS of more CO2 in the atmosphere??

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