missinglink Loc: Tralfamadore

You will not believe who the orator is on this video.
This is not another goose chase.

Even if you have no questions about C*****e C****e watch this video.

This may be a repeat and if so I'm sorry . Put up the tin foil
and watch this to the end.

http://www.prageru.com/courses/environmental-science/what-they-havent-told-you-about-c*****e-c****e#.Vc4sj_lViko

PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

Missinglink -

This is definitely an interesting commentary. I'd be more inclined to believe that his views are science-based if he would actually quote the sources of his data instead of simply saying "..they are out there for anyone who wants to find them..."
Further I think his linking of "c*****e c****e deniers" to "holocaust deniers" to be both illogical and inflammatory.

I see a major flaw in his thesis that what we are experiencing is simply another chapter in the earth's long history of change. All the major changes to which he refers took millennia to leave their impact, and did so when there was no industrial pollution of any kind since it did not exist. What we are experiencing now is rapid change where we see major fluctuations within a human generation.

Here is one scientific article supporting anthropogenic causes for c*****e c****e that presents verifiable facts.

http://www.wmo.int/pages/themes/climate/causes_of_climate_change.php

Raylan Wolfe Loc: earth

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cSc61 Loc: Austin

Although it has become a religion for some, anthropogenic (which is just a fancy word for man-made) c*****e c****e is political. It is the tool g*******ts intend to use to usher in global governance. That fact is not easily accepted by most but nevertheless is an absolute.

While the science of man-made c*****e c****e is definitely NOT settled, people's opinions/beliefs of it definitely are. Neither side at this point can nor will be convinced that they are wrong.

The 'deniers' are never going to be duped and the zealots can never admit to themselves or others that they've been duped. It's the immovable object against the irresistible force.

Less effort should be spent attempting to win others to our side and more effort spent defeating (or at least mitigating) the impact this politically-driven h**x will have on our economic freedoms.

mongo Loc: TEXAS

It really doesn't matter if they are considered an expert or not. C*****e C****e still based on personal observation and theory. The only theory that makes sense is that we have sped up the natural c*****e c****es by deforestation, and carbon monoxide. With that in mind, everything will happen sooner or later anyways. Nature will clean up and reorganize regardless of what destruction humans engineer!

SEMPER FI

missinglink Loc: Tralfamadore

Paul



Not being a scientist I find it difficult to argue with them. At least on their level.
However, they have a history of holding onto theories that do not prove out. Over the eons science has made many a grievous error. Shape of the earth comes to mind. Army men standing up in a trench far to close to exploding atom bombs to witness the sight. Corps of engineers screwing up the waterways across our nation based on riparian knowledge at the time. Doctors were still bleeding patients as a cure less than 100 years ago. Etc. etc.


World history and most of all of w*****r p*****ns history covering millions of years is pretty damn solid. What was stated in the video and can be researched and proven as fact. I am not going there, it would take a Herculean effort to compile that much data for every day light discussion. My memory isn't what it once was, boy that was a long time ago, but I still stand by the decision I came to years and years ago.
Man will leave many a bad mark on Mother Earth but c*****e c****e can not be hung around our necks just yet.

To my way of thinking after following countless years of history and science channel programming on the subject and with what follows below, I am convinced that this c*****e c****e is nothing new and no matter how hard people wish to individually or collectively control the worlds thermostat, this theory is bull.

I followed your link to W.M.O. and read some of it. Not all. What struck me was the incredibly long list of third world countries who are inline to benefit greatly from wealth redistribution which this scare tactic program has already begun facilitating. Go figure and read the membership list. They want cheap energy and they have their hands out for a huge pay day.

Aren't most scientist left leaner's ? Just sayin.

Richard94611

What many deniers forget is that although c*****e c****ed and g****l w*****g have occurred many times through the geological history of the world, the extreme ones did not occur when humans inhabited the earth in large coastal cities. The effects on human being, not dinosaurs, is what the concern is about. If c*****e c****e inundates a Miami full of human beings, that's a lot different in importance to us than if it inundated uninhabited miles of beach and mangrove swamp.

PRM2014

Another LOAD OF CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The C*****e c****es (4) four times a year, has as far back as I can remember.
Stop Listening to Big Al GORE, and Obama the BLOWHARD
They are BIG LIARS.

Richard94611

The usual denier reaction. Since you don't listen to facts, it isn't worth bothering with you.

cSc61 Loc: Austin

I think you are the pot calling the kettle black.

Here are the facts AGW fanatics like yourself can't and won't face. There is now a mountain of ACTUAL scientific evidence against AGW but it must be ignored because it doesn't fit the religion of AGW or the g*******t agenda.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/22370-hotter-and-hotter

PRM2014

I agree with you, have said for a long time it is one BIG h**x, nothing but lies. And look who is paying most of the bills.U.S. Taxpayers Cover Nearly Half the Cost of U.N.'s G****l W*****g. Obama the BLOWHARD MUST GO NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

cSc61 - I read the article you posted and was anticipating some attributable data that could make the conversation about c*****e c****e a real debate. But I didn't find that in this article. It appears to me to be an opinion piece, with very vague references and a stance that simply presupposes data supporting manmade c*****e c****e to be false.

I can't pretend to know for sure, but considering all the other disastrous things man has done to our environment, I'm inclined to believe the evidence supporting the impact mankind has had on our climate.

cSc61 Loc: Austin

Of course you are. Except there is no evidence. So what you are inclined to accept is the fabricated data that has been presented to you and the world as fact. And if you dare doubt it, we can show you more fabricated facts like "97% of the scientist community agrees!"

Apparently the absence of data isn't enough proof for you, nor did I think it would be. There is no scientific proof the Earth is warming. It simply doesn't exist. I don't know how scientists can prove the absence of data except to say there is no scientific data showing a g****l w*****g trend and that all data in existence today has long since been debunked.

I get that that isn't sufficient for you. I can't prove to you there is no Santa Claus. All I can say is there is no scientific evidence that he exists. Feel free to keep believing in him if you wish. You are of course free to do so.

PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

I am trying to keep an open mind cSc61, and will continue to research to the best of my ability. And while I continue to find scientific evidence supporting the thesis that the earth is warming, I have yet to find (nor have you given) any proof that it is not.

You might consider reading this 2015 article from FactCheck.org. Before you lambast the organization as a liberal front, please note it is funded by the Annenberg Policy Center. Walter Annenberg was a conservative businessman who was appointed ambassador to Great Britain by Richard Nixon.

http://www.factcheck.org/2015/02/nothing-false-about-temperature-data/

cSc61 Loc: Austin

Satellite temperature data show no discernible warming for the last 18 years and eight months ... (That's what I call an inconvenient t***h).

The notion that any discernible warming of the climate over the past several decades is caused by greenhouse gas emissions is flatly contradicted by data from the troposphere in the tropical zone. (Hmm, there's goes the whole "the science is settled" argument.)

The fact that the most ardent proponents of anthropogenic g****l w*****g are all affiliated with either the UN or with the U.S. government should arouse suspicions about scientific objectivity. (Suspicious indeed. Coincidental? I think not.)

Anthropogenic g****l w*****g is a sorry example of political propaganda masquerading as science, and enlisting all the power of the state to entrench and perpetuate itself. (Pretty much sums up my belief.)

I glad you are going to remain open-minded. As for me, I can afford to be narrow-minded about this because I'm right. :)