oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

You have talked about math and here you failed to show that you know how to use it. 47% don't want it, 36% do for some reason, and that leaves 17% who didn't say yes or no. Only someone who can't understand math would fail to see that in your poll those who didn't want it amounted to 11% more than those who did. You need to awaken and smell the coffee when you get a chance.

rumitoid

Obamacare is the law of the land. Certain Republicans want to take away from the ACA. It is not the president being int***sigent and unwilling to compromise. Defunding what is the law of the land is just bitterness.

Mom8052 Loc: Lost in the mountains of New Mexico

Why can't we havean independent survey as to what the people of the US want,not what the news networks think what we want-then go to the government and tell all of them what we want. Why not have several independent surveys to get many positive negetive response to Obamas healthcare law?

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Simple, he places Obamacare in a more important position than does the continuation of the government operations. And that makes Obama 1000% responsible for any government shut down. HE can whine all he wants, but the Constitution still defines 3 branches of government and Obama is not yet the king he envisions being.

Don't get me wrong. I have no problems with a government shut down. I sort of know what that means. Most l*****ts haven't a clue what that means. The only time government isn't meddling in my life is when it is shut down. GO FOR IT !![/quote]

Mom8052 Loc: Lost in the mountains of New Mexico

YES

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

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I do not plan to trade quips with an imbecile, but I will share some thoughts of a man FAR more intelligent than I and FAR, FAR, FAR more intelligent than you. That man is
Alexis de Tocqueville. You may have never heard of him, but he was capable of reasoning and logic which is devoid within the political left.

“The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money.”
-- Alexis de Tocqueville

“America is great because she is good. If America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great.”
-- Alexis de Tocqueville

“Democracy extends the sphere of individual freedom, socialism restricts it. Democracy attaches all possible value to each man; socialism makes each man a mere agent, a mere number. Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word: e******y. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks e******y in liberty, socialism seeks e******y in restraint and servitude.”
-- Alexis de Tocqueville

“Americans are so enamored of e******y, they would rather be equal in s***ery than unequal in freedom.”

“When the taste for physical gratifications among them has grown more rapidly than their education . . . the time will come when men are carried away and lose all self-restraint . . . . It is not necessary to do violence to such a people in order to strip them of the rights they enjoy; they themselves willingly loosen their hold. . . . they neglect their chief business which is to remain their own masters.”
-- Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America Volume 2

“Society will develop a new kind of servitude which covers the surface of society with a network of complicated rules, through which the most original minds and the most energetic characters cannot penetrate. It does not tyrannise but it compresses, enervates, extinguishes, and stupefies a people, till each nation is reduced to nothing better than a flock of timid and industrious animals, of which the government is the shepherd.”
-- Alexis de Tocqueville

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

You know better than most of what you said. Obama has taken away parts of that law several times by giving certain groups a year or more from having to take part. His last one aimed at businesses and nothing for individuals was the worst of all. Yes, if he can change parts of that law without Congress being involved then there is no doubt that Congress can do it too. Who passed the law? Who is supposed to enforce the thing? Think about those questions and fire me an answer.

dhelix33

Because of this government shutdown today, facilitated by those certifiably ignorant, mean-spirited and stupid republican teabaggers in congress, hundreds of thousands of federal workers are now not being paid, and also do not know when they will get paid again - if at all. Perhaps today they have come to the realization their paychecks depend upon the non-existent benevolence of a few fractious and bat-sh*t crazy republican teabagger members in congress. A realization that will hit home hard when they cannot pay for housing, or their children's next meal.

However, there are 535 federal civil servants in Washington who don't have to worry about missed mortgage payments or mounting credit card debt due to this shutdown - guess who they are: the very bat-sh*t crazy stupid teabagger members of congress who have ground our government to a halt. The salaries of Congress members come from a pool of mandatory funds and aren't subject to the whims of lawmakers.Their checks keep coming, no matter what. This ugly irony will not be lost on the more than 800,000 federal workers who now will not paid because of the actions of a few anal-retentive adults that continue to act like spoiled children - most who are taking home $174,000 a year in Congress, for doing absolutely NOTHING!

All I can say is - e******ns have consequences, and I did not v**e for this pile of crap! When are you uniformed non-productive i***ts that stand in teabagger rallies saying you want to 'take America back' going to understand that your so-called 'tea party' is simply a guise for the rich to take money from you and fill their coffers? Perhaps when America 'goes back' to where you have to start going into the woods and hunt for your next meal, and grow vegetables in a field to survive?

straightUp Loc: California

No oldroy - she can't take it. I've been there with her before - she can't handle me.

straightUp Loc: California

Apparently you didn't actually read my post. I said there are so many polls with varied results and then you present one as if there isn't any others.

let me know when you catch up with me - if you EVER do.

straightUp Loc: California

Also... keep this in mind... I am familiar with the 47% result... you might want to go back to the original poll that produced that number. If you do you will find that a big part of that 47% are liberals who think Obamacare isn't liberal enough.

straightUp Loc: California

There are hundreds of them already. Every independent polling house in the country has polled on this issue. Google it and be prepared to get confused.

We already have a system of telling the government what we want too... it's called writing to your representative and that's being done by thousands of people right now both for and against.

The only thing we can take from all this activity is that a LOT of people don't want it and a LOT of people do. So, the only right thing to do is let our representative democratic process sort it out and so far that process has been favoring Obamacare.

straightUp Loc: California

I know who that Frenchman was. What I find amusing is how you can quote him without understanding that you are actually part of what he was warning about.

straightUp Loc: California

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OldTrapper

It would help if you could actually comprehend what he said.

"What I think is funny as hell is the The All-America Economic survey that reports 46 percent of respondents said they oppose "Obamacare" and only 37 percent oppose the "Affordable Care Act"."

The comedy of tragedies is that so many do not know what the hell they are even offering an opinion on.

BTW, since most polls show that the people did not want the government shut down over Obamacare, how do you think the Republicans are going to fare now come next e******n?

OldTrapper

Just exactly how did he change the law, or take away from it, by granting exemptions for one year? Is that the same as "signing statements" that were used by Bush quite excessively, and to a smaller amount by other Presidents?

As to the exemptions, who do you think might have the greater problem with organizing a healthcare program, the individual, or the business with numerous employees? From what I have seen so far most States have the exchanges in place for the family, or the individual. All one has to do is apply. Then too, from what I have seen the individual has until March of next year to comply.