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Sep 27, 2013 12:45:43   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
mmccarty12 wrote:
I thank you for your wishes of well being. I will disagree that the ACA was written and enacted just for situations like mine. The ACA does nothing more than require people to give money to both the Federal government, in the form of the new taxes imposed upon the insurance premiums, and into the pockets of the insurance companies themselves.

It has never been about what is right because too many special interest groups are exempt. If it was truly an all-encompassing bill, NO ONE would be exempt for any reason.

It has never been about what is best for Americans as Americans are the ones paying for it by force. If you do not abide by the mandate you are punished. If you abide by the mandate, you are punished because you have to pay taxes on your premiums.

Insurance is a hedge against illness. It is just like any game of chance out there be it poker, slots or horse racing. There is a chance you will win, more is paid out for/to you than you have put in, and there is a chance that you will lose, you never have to use it so the money is 'wasted', figuratively not literally.

If the government were really concerned, insurance companies would be outlawed, medical costs would be lowered and private interests would gain nothing. Now, both private interests and the government benefit.

I was talking with two other veteran's today about our treatment at our local VAMS. We have issues with it, but we find it better than the privatized system in existence because the issues we have with it today exist outside the VAMS. We veterans just have the privilege, earned, to not have to pay full cost for most of our treatment if we utilize the VAMS. Obamacare will just exponentiate the existing problems and we fear how much our current services will decline because of Obamacare. It is already happening in the private medical arena and Obamacare is not yet in full swing.
I thank you for your wishes of well being. I will... (show quote)

A couple points that I hope will boost your mood. Your employer did not buy individual policy s for seven people, the 7 were put in and insured under a group policy, which allowed you to be covered as well as the others at a lower cost then if single polices were sold. Under the ACA your group will be the population of the USA. Your rates should be manageable one way or an other. The VAMS may also be a solution, I do not know how they will be affected. Do not have a convenient location up here so have never explored.. Good luck to you, it wiill work out...

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Sep 27, 2013 13:48:00   #
bahmer
 
ldsuttonjr wrote:
Lone ghost - it looks pretty simple to me that the game plan all along was to move to a single pay government plan - total government healthcare!


Dingy Harry Reid has state so on numerous occasions but they know that the American people won't buy into it and they have to approach this one payer health care system incrementally. Which is the same way they they have introduced socialism into this country without anybody creating a big fuss. They have been at these tactics for years and nobody has called them on it and they have become masters at the art of deception of the American people.

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Sep 27, 2013 17:49:13   #
vernon
 
UncleJesse wrote:
I'm curious, you said you have Cong*****l Congestive Heart Failure. What would you have done for insurance without Obamacare had your job been lost or your company decided to drop it as a benefit? I believe you would have been prevented by the free market system from getting a policy. If you are in a state that requires nonprofit (BCBS) to offer it to the uninsurable, they probably had a plan for $1400/mo but no limit on out of pocket expenses. Did you ever think how Obamacare now makes it a law that you can't be discriminated against due to your health condition? The way it is written, you get the same rate as everyone else, probably closer to $3-400/mo and there's a limit to how much out of pocket you get stuck with.
I'm curious, you said you have Cong*****l Congesti... (show quote)

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Sep 27, 2013 17:52:02   #
vernon
 
uncle that is just plain old welfare ,or subdising the irresponsible and they do nothing for them selves they are just parasites. are you one uncle

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Sep 27, 2013 19:04:29   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
vernon wrote:
uncle that is just plain old welfare ,or subdising the irresponsible and they do nothing for them selves they are just parasites. are you one uncle


Obama care is a plan to get lowered health care cost & bring health care to more people. A plan hammered out in Congress
by opposing factions. as is the usual case in Congress if there is a hint of a chance that the general public will be helped.

But it is the law and now we must wait & work the bugs out. If Congress could do things right the first time it would be a help

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Sep 27, 2013 19:14:31   #
lone_ghost Loc: Wisconsin
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
Obama care is a plan to get lowered health care cost & bring health care to more people. A plan hammered out in Congress
by opposing factions. as is the usual case in Congress if there is a hint of a chance that the general public will be helped.

But it is the law and now we must wait & work the bugs out. If Congress could do things right the first time it would be a help


I posted a link in "everyone should try this....." it is a calculator that is very short to fill out and will give an estimate of what you will get under Obama's exchanges.

If I get dropped by my private insurance, the silver plan which is the closest to my coverage will be several thousand dollars more a year with a much lower cap, and less coverage. I am a veteran so I at least have a fall back, I feel so sorry for those who are not.

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Sep 27, 2013 19:18:07   #
bahmer
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
Obama care is a plan to get lowered health care cost & bring health care to more people. A plan hammered out in Congress
by opposing factions. as is the usual case in Congress if there is a hint of a chance that the general public will be helped.

But it is the law and now we must wait & work the bugs out. If Congress could do things right the first time it would be a help


What opposing factions are you by chance talking about? This thing was construed in the back room by democrats v**ed on by democrats in the dark of night. No one read the damned bill and the thing was passed before anyone could read it contest it. This whole thing is being shoved down the throats of the American people and the other side I.E. the republicans have not had a voice in this at all. Dingy Harry Reid refuses to allow any republican interference at all on this bill. This bill is designed to make many in government very very wealthy. It is also designed to get further control over the American people to help force them into socialism.

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Sep 27, 2013 19:43:53   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
bahmer wrote:
What opposing factions are you by chance talking about? This thing was construed in the back room by democrats v**ed on by democrats in the dark of night. No one read the damned bill and the thing was passed before anyone could read it contest it. This whole thing is being shoved down the throats of the American people and the other side I.E. the republicans have not had a voice in this at all. Dingy Harry Reid refuses to allow any republican interference at all on this bill. This bill is designed to make many in government very very wealthy. It is also designed to get further control over the American people to help force them into socialism.
What opposing factions are you by chance talking a... (show quote)

bahmer, I bet you know of everything I am about to tell you. But the debate cost two very important parts of the original proposal. Single payer which will be pushed by the next administration, and the drug cost reform, which will be a huge b***h item for everyone. The stupid "pass it so we can read it" was a comment regarding the senate version to the bill, they compare both versions and make the adjustment to the law..Never the less you would think a pol who has been around forever would not say such a dumb thing. Was not forced through or done in the dark, but it will probably make some politicians rich...

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Sep 27, 2013 20:13:41   #
lone_ghost Loc: Wisconsin
 
bahmer wrote:
What opposing factions are you by chance talking about? This thing was construed in the back room by democrats v**ed on by democrats in the dark of night. No one read the damned bill and the thing was passed before anyone could read it contest it. This whole thing is being shoved down the throats of the American people and the other side I.E. the republicans have not had a voice in this at all. Dingy Harry Reid refuses to allow any republican interference at all on this bill. This bill is designed to make many in government very very wealthy. It is also designed to get further control over the American people to help force them into socialism.
What opposing factions are you by chance talking a... (show quote)



I would have to agree, it was "hammered out" by democrats, pushed by democrats, and passed by democrats. (there was not one single Republican v**e in favor of Obamacare) Given that at the time the democrats controlled the white house, the senate, and the house, this is not surprising. They took advantage of the situation to pass a law that no one understood (not even according to Pelosi, the democrats who passed it). Now it has become an automaton. An unrelenting force that was allowed to be released by naïve followers of a megalomaniac. Now, their seemingly is no recourse.

The irrelevancy of opposition is evident and irrefutable. All we can do now is watch as the phenomenon unfolds.

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