Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan

I would be impressed if anyone's other body were as a brain. That being said, what?

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

"Hear, and understand: Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man."

Matthew 15: 10-11

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It is not the function of the church to publicly confront the public. If a known base person comes into a publicly accessed place of business, for the purpose of business, it is not the place of the Christian to develop a confrontational issue as evidence of some assessment of righteousness that makes a public issue out of a private circumstance.

Yet again, a Christian cannot sit by and ignore sin within a congregation, for the cause of not wanting to confront a person who obviously needs better teaching about behavior and circumspection as a Christian. All Christians need a learning time, and need the patience of brethren, and a proper example by which they can be lead instead of driven.

The Brethren need to be made aware that lying, cheating, stealing, and a whole litany of sinful behavior is as damning to members of a congregation as the most scorned behavior among non-Christians for which many ignorant members judge in a public and confrontational manner. It is not to be the practice of Christians to make such a display of ignorance of the rules of Christian behavior.

And we should all learn to pray for our number, as well as those who are outside the body of Christ. Sin is a problem to all, and one of the greatest mischief making sins is the sin of "self-righteous judgment." We are admonished to
"Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment."[John 7:24]

Some churches have become so enamored of "Tollerance" they endanger the whole congregation by their insistence that none among them "discriminate," resulting in some cases, in developing preachers and leaders of such a terrible sinful nature as to cause the congregation to become abominable in God's sight.

It goes from a congregation being building blocks in the living temple of the living God, to submitting to the chastisement of John as he admonishes them - "Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us."[I John 2:18-19]

Christians in some situations, display a definite need to bully non-Christians with the stick of "Righteousness judgment." That is simply an attempt to beat some down who have a greater problem with temptation than the "bully" who simply cannot understand why anyone would find it harder to remain faithful than themselves.

All new Christians are "Babes in Christ, needing the sincere milk of the word of God." Some need more nourishing than do others. some need to be reminded to be patient with the weaknesses of new converts who have yet to establish themselves in the comfort of the scriptures.

Christianity is NOT a "one size fits all garment, to be worn only when in public, as a display for all to appreciate" but is a "New and Living Way, to be lived the same whether in public, or in private; in blessing or in peril; in teaching or in learning; we should ever be conscious of not only our own needs, but the needs of all our brethren who may not understand it the same way we do, and may not say it the same way we do. But it is our task to remember, they are not supposed to answer to us, but they in fact answer to the same Lord as do we.

So let us learn to practice Humility when among peers, simplicity when among babes in Christ, and eagerness to assist when among those who otherwise look upon us with the suspicion of newly formed converts to a new and living way.[/quote]

Big mistake: "Christians are taught to discriminate against most categories of sin committed by members of their Congregation."
FALSE! And utterly ridiculous.

Theo Loc: Within 1000 miles of Tampa, Florida

Let's hear YOUR explanation of what Paul is teaching-

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It is not the function of the church to publicly confront the public. If a known base person comes into a publicly accessed place of business, for the purpose of business, it is not the place of the Christian to develop a confrontational issue as evidence of some assessment of righteousness that makes a public issue out of a private circumstance.

Yet again, a Christian cannot sit by and ignore sin within a congregation, for the cause of not wanting to confront a person who obviously needs better teaching about behavior and circumspection as a Christian. All Christians need a learning time, and need the patience of brethren, and a proper example by which they can be lead instead of driven.

The Brethren need to be made aware that lying, cheating, stealing, and a whole litany of sinful behavior is as damning to members of a congregation as the most scorned behavior among non-Christians for which many ignorant members judge in a public and confrontational manner. It is not to be the practice of Christians to make such a display of ignorance of the rules of Christian behavior.

And we should all learn to pray for our number, as well as those who are outside the body of Christ. Sin is a problem to all, and one of the greatest mischief making sins is the sin of "self-righteous judgment." We are admonished to
"Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment."[John 7:24]

Some churches have become so enamored of "Tollerance" they endanger the whole congregation by their insistence that none among them "discriminate," resulting in some cases, in developing preachers and leaders of such a terrible sinful nature as to cause the congregation to become abominable in God's sight.

It goes from a congregation being building blocks in the living temple of the living God, to submitting to the chastisement of John as he admonishes them - "Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us."[I John 2:18-19]

Christians in some situations, display a definite need to bully non-Christians with the stick of "Righteousness judgment." That is simply an attempt to beat some down who have a greater problem with temptation than the "bully" who simply cannot understand why anyone would find it harder to remain faithful than themselves.

All new Christians are "Babes in Christ, needing the sincere milk of the word of God." Some need more nourishing than do others. some need to be reminded to be patient with the weaknesses of new converts who have yet to establish themselves in the comfort of the scriptures.

Christianity is NOT a "one size fits all garment, to be worn only when in public, as a display for all to appreciate" but is a "New and Living Way, to be lived the same whether in public, or in private; in blessing or in peril; in teaching or in learning; we should ever be conscious of not only our own needs, but the needs of all our brethren who may not understand it the same way we do, and may not say it the same way we do. But it is our task to remember, they are not supposed to answer to us, but they in fact answer to the same Lord as do we.

So let us learn to practice Humility when among peers, simplicity when among babes in Christ, and eagerness to assist when among those who otherwise look upon us with the suspicion of newly formed converts to a new and living way.[/quote]

Meet sinners with the same heart and presence Jesus did every time. Not confrontational. Not demanding. Not preaching. Love does not act in those ways.

Theo Loc: Within 1000 miles of Tampa, Florida

YOU may consider "Came preaching" to mean "Not preaching," But it WAS Definitely PREACHING.


Mark 1:14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,

Luke 8:1 And it came to pass afterward, that he went throughout every city and village, preaching and shewing the glad tidings of the kingdom of God: and the twelve were with him,


YOU may consider "You Vipers, who warned you about Hell" to be non-confrontational, but it IS.

Matthew 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

Matthew 12:34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

Matthew 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

Luke 3:7 Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?


YOU may not consider Imperative verbs to be demands, but they are.

John 8:11 ".... Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more."

(Imperative Phrase)(sin no more.)

YOU may consider what Jesus did as
[[quote=fiatlux]] "Love does not act in those ways."
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But That is what Jesus did for 3-1/2 years.

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There is no Christian standard of behavior: to expect or look for such is to deny Christ.

Theo Loc: Within 1000 miles of Tampa, Florida

How exactly is "belonging to Christ" denying Christ?

"Christian" Behavior is any behavior that demonstrates Christ in one's life.

And standard set by
Christ is "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Simply put, this means however I behave (or treat) towards my neighbor, I would not wish to change how he behaves (or treats) me.

I think that is a good standard, and does absolutely NOTHING toward denying Christ.

And I do not "expect or look for" it, I demonstrate it with my life.

I am beginning to suspect you do not read your bible, but read commentaries or books ABOUT the bible. I cannot see how you can get the perspective you have shown in your last few posts, from the bible.

You said Christ did not come preaching. I showed you where scripture presents Christ "coming and preaching.

You said Christ was not confrontational. I showed you where Scripture presents Christ confronting those self-righteous Sadducees and Pharisees.

You said Christ was not demanding. I showed you where Christ demanded the woman "Go and sin no more."
"sin no more" is an Imperative making it a demand.

You said we should accept sinners like Christ did, non-confrontational, non-demanding, and no preaching. Jesus did none of the above. He preached, confronted, and demanded.

You say "Love does not act in those ways."

If you have a toddler in the kitchen, and that child reaches for the hot stove, would you simply observe, waiting for a reaction to the burning of little fingers or worse? Or would you intercede to stop that child from dangerous behavior, teaching and admonishing to develop a survival behavior pattern?

God continually tries us in life, trying to get us to realize our behavior is sometimes not guided by survival principles, but rather is focused upon gratification practices.

I will say again, Christians cannot allow Homosexual behavior to encroach upon a Church gathering, nor to infiltrate its membership.

I wills ay again, Christians cannot engage in Abortion and be acceptable in the Church. The church has an obligation to lead by correction, by admonition, by confrontation, by demand, and by example. And they are to practice discrimination every day of their lives, lest they be overcome with allowing sin to fester in the camp.