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Sep 26, 2013 18:08:00   #
faithistheword
 
brownie64 wrote:
Look I'm not Republican, or Democrat I don't like a******n, homosexuality. or gun control. But I don't like the trickle down theory that only trickles money into the top 2%. I'm really s**k of the rich just getting richer, as the poor, working, and shrinking middle class suffer. And I as a Christian can't see letting people who lost their jobs due too bad Bush government starve to death by taking away their SNAP. Do you really want to see children, elderly, and the disabled starve because off rich greed! The churches, and charities can only do so much. So I know there has been a lot of fear mongering going on about (A.C.A),or Obamacare if you prefer. BUT HERE IS HOW I SEE IT: LOOK HOW HARD THE RICH SUPPORTING GOP HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GET RID OF IT. THEY EVEN TRIED TO GET IT DEEMED UNCONSTITUTIONAL! AND NOW THEY GOT THESE RIDICULOUS COMMERCIALS OUT SERIOUSLY IF THEY WANT TO GET RID OF IT THAT BAD, THEN I WOULD SAY IT'S PROBABLY THE BEST THING EVER FOR THE REST OF US 98%. THINK ABOUT IT!!!!!
Look I'm not Republican, or Democrat I don't like ... (show quote)




You aren't basing that on facts, just propaganda. The rich are getting richer BECAUSE of barry. Pres. Bush has been gone for 5 years, and you're still repeating that Booshwa.
Get some real facts! Obviously, you have a computer--go to sites that are not recommended by the democrat party. You'll never learn if you don't do research.

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Sep 26, 2013 18:12:59   #
faithistheword
 
Molly wrote:
Except there is actually a problem with health care and people do actually need health insurance if they don't want to run the risk of being saddled with a mountain of personal debt. I won't even get started on how encouraging 20-30 somethings to opt out when these people are in their prime child bearing years and are more likely to be injured in say a car accident then have cancer.. not that they can't get that either. Any one of those things right now would cost them tens of thousands up even into hundreds of thousands of dollars.... and that's if they will be able to get treatment with no insurance. I needed health care at that age and didn't have it and 10 years later am still trying to pay off that debt much less the debt from the last few years where my insurance hardly covered anything anyways. And those companies where they slashed hours.. maybe check back in a year and see what kind of bonuses they were able to give their ceo's while they shirked the same responsibility they carried in order to gain employees for the last however many years.
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People with brains aren't going to HAVE children! Who wants to bring a child into this mess?? Only the muslims and the welfare crowd will be giving birth. What kind of a world will you have then? And who will be financing it? obamacare? GET REAL!!

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Sep 26, 2013 18:14:43   #
VladimirPee
 
Those who want Obamacare are the ones who will be subsidized by the rest of us. They will say anything to keep their freebies intact

faithistheword wrote:
People with brains aren't going to HAVE children! Who wants to bring a child into this mess?? Only the muslims and the welfare crowd will be giving birth. What kind of a world will you have then? And who will be financing it? obamacare? GET REAL!!

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Sep 26, 2013 18:22:29   #
faithistheword
 
Alicia wrote:
[they are defunding Medicare or did you not read that part? They are also doing a good job of defunding the military too.]


They are not defunding Medicare but using some of that money to pay for the health care of others - including the senior population who will also be covered.

Perhaps you don't recall the p**********l debates preceding the last e******n where President Obama stated that methods of war have changed and we DO NOT need as large a military force. Romney had no answer to that as he, like most of the Repubs were not aware of the changes that have come about in that area since the '50s. Their thinking on almost everything remains locked in that era. One would think that nothing has changed in all this time.

If we want this country to continue to exist we must be thinking of all the changes, in every area, that have come about since the '50s. We simply cannot grow unless we keep up with the times and look toward the future.

Global politics has also changed radically and, in order to maintain this country, we simply must keep up with it. We can not go back to the isolationism that once existed. If you want to put the blame on somebody, look to the large corporations who have sold us out by exporting our jobs. This, primarily, caused the demise of our isolationist era.

Please do some individual thinking and stop following the old minds who would like everything to go back in time. The idea is ridiculous! This is a new world. By that I mean that every day the old world (as we knew it yesterday) dies and each day begins a new world. Wake up!!!
they are defunding Medicare or did you not read t... (show quote)




YOU'RE A HOPELESS DREAMER!!
Wak up and look out you window at all the suffering out there. It's not the rich hurting--it's the middle class.

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Sep 26, 2013 18:40:54   #
VladimirPee
 
[quote=Alicia][they are defunding Medicare or did you not read that part? They are also doing a good job of defunding the military too.]


They are not defunding Medicare but using some of that money to pay for the health care of others - including the senior population who will also be covered.
@Alicia

GOP knows all about the threats we face today. Who do you think fought for Missile defense when Democrats opposed them? Obama thought Russia was our friend. Romney knew all along. Obama looked foolish in the debates.


Perhaps you don't recall the p**********l debates preceding the last e******n where President Obama stated that methods of war have changed and we DO NOT need as large a military force. Romney had no answer to that as he, like most of the Repubs were not aware of the changes that have come about in that area since the '50s. Their thinking on almost everything remains locked in that era. One would think that nothing has changed in all this time.

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Sep 26, 2013 18:46:20   #
Mikki Loc: Ohio
 
Molly - I could be wrong, but I think the exchanges are for people with no insurance or those who might want to change their insurance. If you have employment provided insurance, I don't believe you have to go through an exchange. My insurance has also gone up because of Obamacare. The predictions for a family of four has been that Obamacare will cost about $20,000 a year before it is over. If you are low income the govt. will help with the premiums. If you get the book Beating Obamacare by Dr. Betsy McCaughey off of Amazon (14.95) she explains it all. She read the entire bill and gives you a lot of insight into what will come down the road. By the way, I am very healthy and go to the doctor once a year if that much. So why did my insurance go up? I keep hearing about the exchanges, but haven't really heard much except that most will not be ready to open as planned. Another govt. program which they cannot seem to manage. I know of several people who have had their premiums almost double. Hasn't been a pattern of that until Obamacare. Someone has to pay the bills. Also, I understand that pre-existing condition people are getting big premiums. They should have fixed the insurance we had instead of coming out with a 2700 page monstrosity.

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Sep 26, 2013 18:49:27   #
VladimirPee
 
My premiums also went up and my deductible and out of pocket costs doubled and tripled


Mikki wrote:
Molly - I could be wrong, but I think the exchanges are for people with no insurance or those who might want to change their insurance. If you have employment provided insurance, I don't believe you have to go through an exchange. My insurance has also gone up because of Obamacare. The predictions for a family of four has been that Obamacare will cost about $20,000 a year before it is over. If you are low income the govt. will help with the premiums. If you get the book Beating Obamacare by Dr. Betsy McCaughey off of Amazon (14.95) she explains it all. She read the entire bill and gives you a lot of insight into what will come down the road. By the way, I am very healthy and go to the doctor once a year if that much. So why did my insurance go up? I keep hearing about the exchanges, but haven't really heard much except that most will not be ready to open as planned. Another govt. program which they cannot seem to manage. I know of several people who have had their premiums almost double. Hasn't been a pattern of that until Obamacare. Someone has to pay the bills. Also, I understand that pre-existing condition people are getting big premiums.
Molly - I could be wrong, but I think the exchange... (show quote)

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Sep 26, 2013 21:07:28   #
Artemis
 
Molly wrote:
You were able to do that because you have great insurance.. a lot of people don't. And maybe that is ok with you and screw everyone else. You can be a party of one and yay for you. However, if you want whats best for this country you want healthy educated people in it.

I realize this may not effect you. And maybe you don't care what happens to anyone else and in that case.. nothing I will say will fix that. But you don't live in this country by yourself and not everyone has the same insurance you do. Hell, I have great insurance and your sounds better than mine.
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He probably is retired government or military,they live in a protective bubble and don't relate with the rest of us

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Sep 26, 2013 21:17:57   #
VladimirPee
 
Molly

You should have done a better job of providing for yourself. Why should I have to pay for your failure in life?


maelstrom wrote:
He probably is retired government or military,they live in a protective bubble and don't relate with the rest of us

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Sep 26, 2013 21:20:25   #
donc711 Loc: North East Kansas
 
DennisDee wrote:
You still need a certain number of ships to cover the high seas. One high tech ship in the Pacific does not replace 2 older ships if one is in the Atlantic and One in the Pacific. Romney let Obama off on that comment


Exactly my point. Whether it's ships, planes or personnel, if we are not in it to win, why are we in it? Our military is either going to make it a military win or no boots anywhere there is a conflict. What are we the policeman for the world and its conscience. The cost of being those things is the lives of our finest young men and women. Their metical costs. Their life as cripples. Then there is the financial costs to us taxpayers. And more I have not thought of here. Nothing about war has really changed. That is my point.

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Sep 26, 2013 21:34:23   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
NO, I'm not retired government or military or Postal. Before disability I worked 12 hour days, 3 days one week four the next. On that schedule I never worked under 60 hours in a given week. My record was 56 days straight with all OT going straight into savings.


maelstrom wrote:
He probably is retired government or military,they live in a protective bubble and don't relate with the rest of us

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Sep 26, 2013 22:19:49   #
Alicia Loc: NYC
 
oldroy wrote:
I have two suggestions for you. The first would be, of course, get yourself back to NY or New England since the people are so much friendlier than in Texas. The second, would be that you bother yourself to check that link and find that what you may have read is nothing but quote from the link. No the poster didn't say here although the one who wrote the piece did. Check things like this before you go off half-cocked.


I was under the impression that I explained that I am not able to handle the cold climate up North. Also the lack of sun has always depressed me. Believe me, if it were warmer, I would love to be back in NY. I also loved New England although they're not as friendly but still better than Texans or, for that matter Southwesterners. Seeing that that's not possible, I looked further and did much reading and subscribed to the English language newspaper in Costa Rica. So I was introduced to their politics, especially in the Letters to the Editor section. Of course this is for expats who speak English. But I was still able to see more clearly what I would be getting into.

I do know of a friend of a friend who is American, married a Costa Rican woman, and is very happy there. I've learned that they do have clubs for each spoken language and that the Costa Rican government does afford free classes in the Tico language to prepare foreigners as to what they can expect.

I also subscribe to 7-Online which gives me the highlights of the news from New York. My heart is now and will always be there. Just completed an audio book "New York the Novel" by Rutherfurd. It was fabulous! Also, have you heard that this country, coming up from 6 or seven races behind, did win the Americas Cup - again.

Thanks so much for your concern. I plan to go to Albuquerque first because of the Flamenco there. Who knows, I might like it enough to change my plans. Nothing is written in stone.

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Sep 26, 2013 22:26:02   #
Alicia Loc: NYC
 
DennisDee wrote:
Propaganda? She is a real person with a real issue. A regular American telling her story.



Please don't be so gullible. Many years ago I had the advantage of viewing propaganda films from N**i Germany. I know propaganda when I see it. The film did seem to be handling normal life in Germany but they also compared the Jewish profile to that of a rat! Even superimposed one upon the other; with a little adjustment here and there. These things can be very convincing and sound quite reasonable. I think we should heed Molly.

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Sep 26, 2013 22:30:16   #
VladimirPee
 
I do have a friend who retired to Costa Rica. It was the only place he could afford on his Social Security. He has been there about 5 years. He purchased a house for 40,000 and has rental income and maids and cooks for very cheap. But he would come back to the USA if he could afford it. The locals steal from him every chance they get. When he comes to the USA to visit they clean out his home. Furniture etc.


Alicia wrote:
I was under the impression that I explained that I am not able to handle the cold climate up North. Also the lack of sun has always depressed me. Believe me, if it were warmer, I would love to be back in NY. I also loved New England although they're not as friendly but still better than Texans or, for that matter Southwesterners. Seeing that that's not possible, I looked further and did much reading and subscribed to the English language newspaper in Costa Rica. So I was introduced to their politics, especially in the Letters to the Editor section. Of course this is for expats who speak English. But I was still able to see more clearly what I would be getting into.

I do know of a friend of a friend who is American, married a Costa Rican woman, and is very happy there. I've learned that they do have clubs for each spoken language and that the Costa Rican government does afford free classes in the Tico language to prepare foreigners as to what they can expect.

I also subscribe to 7-Online which gives me the highlights of the news from New York. My heart is now and will always be there. Just completed an audio book "New York the Novel" by Rutherfurd. It was fabulous! Also, have you heard that this country, coming up from 6 or seven races behind, did win the Americas Cup - again.

Thanks so much for your concern. I plan to go to Albuquerque first because of the Flamenco there. Who knows, I might like it enough to change my plans. Nothing is written in stone.
I was under the impression that I explained that I... (show quote)

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Sep 27, 2013 03:47:32   #
Molly
 
DennisDee wrote:
Molly

You should have done a better job of providing for yourself. Why should I have to pay for your failure in life?


Which failure in life is that exactly? What are you talking about? I am actually quite successful in my life so wtf are you talking about?

bmac- first off your post shows me how little you know about how healthcare has already had to raise its standards to comply. It is about health care and it is about being insured.. its got a lot of both. Second- I have worked at least one job since I was 15. I have worked hard.. completed 5 years of college while working 2-3 jobs so that I could take care of my family. One weird crazy diagnosis later and I am facing losing my job. S**t happens.. and its easy to say everyone should be able to provide for that but thats not real life.

oldroy- we don't ask about guns or bank accounts... another of your hare brained theories shot down. I don't even know what to say to someone who lives so far out of touch with reality. Don't get me wrong- your world sounds very imaginative. However, you need to come back down to what is and not just what you can think up.

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