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Sep 26, 2013 14:51:29   #
Molly
 
bmac.. you know nothing about me. This could easily effect everything about my life.. especially since I work in health care.. especially because I need brain surgery next month and may have some serious issues following that. You don't know me.. or my situation.

I am not saying it will work. I don't know that it will.. but I also don't know that it won't. This could effect my health care and my livelihood. I know there is risk. But this bill wasn't created in a vacuum. Many people with more education than I have worked on this. They looked at every area and they put in work to make sure it did work. He didn't just sit down at a desk and start guessing. Already there are areas that have needed tweaked.. and those areas need addressed. There will be areas that don't work and once the facts support that changes will be made. This is is signature legislation... he wants it to work because it is his legacy. If it doesn't work then his legacy will be tarnished forever.. so what makes you think he is out to make it fail? That doesn't make any sense.

If it fails I will be right there trying to make sure I elect people who will fix it. But until then the rest is speculation... people responded this way to social security and medicare too. But when they get their social security checks or are able to get care if their world falls apart.. they sure aren't complaining now.

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Sep 26, 2013 15:05:47   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
Not in a vacuum? How about all one party behind closed doors, it's a one size fits all.

Nope don't know you but you don't know me either. First I saved then budgeted for our health care for years, I knew someday I'd retire. Have had four medical cases from heart attack to toe removal and with the plan I Paid for it was $150 each time so yes over the years I pretty much paid for them but it's called self responsibility.


Molly wrote:
bmac.. you know nothing about me. This could easily effect everything about my life.. especially since I work in health care.. especially because I need brain surgery next month and may have some serious issues following that. You don't know me.. or my situation.

I am not saying it will work. I don't know that it will.. but I also don't know that it won't. This could effect my health care and my livelihood. I know there is risk. But this bill wasn't created in a vacuum. Many people with more education than I have worked on this. They looked at every area and they put in work to make sure it did work. He didn't just sit down at a desk and start guessing. Already there are areas that have needed tweaked.. and those areas need addressed. There will be areas that don't work and once the facts support that changes will be made. This is is signature legislation... he wants it to work because it is his legacy. If it doesn't work then his legacy will be tarnished forever.. so what makes you think he is out to make it fail? That doesn't make any sense.

If it fails I will be right there trying to make sure I elect people who will fix it. But until then the rest is speculation... people responded this way to social security and medicare too. But when they get their social security checks or are able to get care if their world falls apart.. they sure aren't complaining now.
bmac.. you know nothing about me. This could easil... (show quote)

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Sep 26, 2013 15:09:42   #
Molly
 
bmac32 wrote:
Not in a vacuum? How about all one party behind closed doors, it's a one size fits all.

Nope don't know you but you don't know me either. First I saved then budgeted for our health care for years, I knew someday I'd retire. Have had four medical cases from heart attack to toe removal and with the plan I Paid for it was $150 each time so yes over the years I pretty much paid for them but it's called self responsibility.


You were able to do that because you have great insurance.. a lot of people don't. And maybe that is ok with you and screw everyone else. You can be a party of one and yay for you. However, if you want whats best for this country you want healthy educated people in it.

I realize this may not effect you. And maybe you don't care what happens to anyone else and in that case.. nothing I will say will fix that. But you don't live in this country by yourself and not everyone has the same insurance you do. Hell, I have great insurance and your sounds better than mine.

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Sep 26, 2013 15:22:36   #
Homestead
 
Alicia wrote:
I think her e-mail address is sufficient. This is another piece of propaganda the Tea Party is backing and funding.


Put the Coolaid down, step away from the Coolaid.

Keeping yourself ignorant and calling stuff propaganda, when people are trying to inform you before it's too late, does not make reality disappear.

Try this on for size.

The radical, anti-governmentF*****tAnarchistN**iBible-thumpingPuritanOtherRandomConflictingDescriptors right wing conservatives like to drone on and on about “small businesses”. Well, news flash: Small businesses CAN’T WAIT for Obamacare to take hold. Half of them aren’t even planning on significantly cutting their workforce to comply with it, while the other half are super excited to cut their employees’ hours, because, like Nancy Pelosi said, it’ll free up time for all of these people to take up new hobbies and “follow their passions.” Sure, because of Obamacare they won’t have enough money to feed their families, but at least they’ll have plenty of time to work on arts and crafts projects.

Obamacare is just so wonderful. It could have only come from the mind of a brilliant man like President Obama. Think about it: We had a problem in this nation because so many people couldn’t afford health insurance. So what’s Obama’s plan? Simply charge those folks money for not having enough money! Brilliant! Oh, but his master strategy doesn’t stop there. It used to be expensive to buy insurance on the individual-market — now it will be TWICE as expensive for men, and only almost twice as expensive for women!

Do you see how this works?

Problem: Insurance is expensive.

Solution: Make it more expensive, and then tax people for not buying it.

Right Wing Obamacare Myths DEBUNKED
http://themattwalshblog.com/2013/09/25/right-wing-obamacare-myths-debunked/

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Sep 26, 2013 15:22:38   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
Would be very loney all by myself.

No it's not screw everyone else (do not put words in my mouth) it's shame on those who refuse to take care of them selves.

A complete take over of the health system is not good for anyone, just look at the shape the Postal System is in.


Molly wrote:
You were able to do that because you have great insurance.. a lot of people don't. And maybe that is ok with you and screw everyone else. You can be a party of one and yay for you. However, if you want whats best for this country you want healthy educated people in it.

I realize this may not effect you. And maybe you don't care what happens to anyone else and in that case.. nothing I will say will fix that. But you don't live in this country by yourself and not everyone has the same insurance you do. Hell, I have great insurance and your sounds better than mine.
You were able to do that because you have great in... (show quote)

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Sep 26, 2013 17:20:39   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
bmac32 wrote:
Would be very loney all by myself.

No it's not screw everyone else (do not put words in my mouth) it's shame on those who refuse to take care of them selves.

A complete take over of the health system is not good for anyone, just look at the shape the Postal System is in.


That surely is caused by the fact that the government was totally in control for so long and then dumped them into their own mess created by the government.

The thing that our left leaning friends just can't seem to understand is that Obamacare is not aimed at providing health care. No, it is some kind of health INSURANCE thing that will lead to the destruction of the health insurance companies so the government can take that function over and end up with complete control of healthcare. They keep talking about single payer and fail to see that when the government pays all of it they also rule over doctors and hospitals. They just can't understand that this is a planned takeover of healthcare by bureaucrats. Doctors will stop practicing unless they want to work for the government and the wages it will pay them. Hospitals will go the same direction except that they will continue to provide care that will become much less than it is now.

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Sep 26, 2013 17:34:24   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
Molly wrote:
So what if it works? What if more people are insured, health care costs come down, and this actually works? Then what? And don't tell me how it won't... You are guessing. SO lets pretend it will.. what will be your reaction then? People inherently fear change... but sometimes it works out that its better in the end. Some times you go back to the drawing board. I just want to know what all of you who are so sure it won't work would do if it did work?


The part that worries me most is that if it doesn't work out for people but does give total control of health to the government bureaucrats, how do we get it abolished?

Name anything you can think of that was similar and ever got removed. It won't and you have to know it.

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Sep 26, 2013 17:37:59   #
faithistheword
 
BoJester wrote:
A new poll reports that people do not want to defund Obamacare if it means shutting down the government. All deomgraphics but one, and you know which demo that is, the teabag party, do not want a shutdown.



http://www.cnbc.com/id/101053976?__source=yahoo%7Cfinance%7Cheadline%7Cheadline%7Cstory&par=yahoo&doc=101053976%7CMost%20Americans%20against%20de





Who took the poll? George Soros?
Total bunk! At least 60% of the public want it GONE! They don't care if the govt. is shut down. At least then, the politicians can't hurt us more!

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Sep 26, 2013 17:40:25   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
Molly wrote:
Oh, I forgot. For those of you who think they are getting too much information from you.. let me just tell you that from a health care professionals point.. if you end up as my patient I want to know as much as I can so I can give you good care. It is so much easier that we are linked in many ways within our system. If you get care at another hospital I can see those results and it may explain what kind of care you need now. You may see it as an intrusion for me to know stuff like what kinds of pets you own or if you have a history of substance abuse or wh**ever.. but if it saves your life later or gets you a diagnosis more quickly you would likely feel very differently about it
Oh, I forgot. For those of you who think they are ... (show quote)


How many things they will ask about don't have anything to do with your healthcare? Will you need to know how many guns I have and where I keep them to give me that better care? Will you need to know how often my wife and I fight to give me that better health care? How about the church we attend? There are so many things in that a******n that have nothing at all to do with health care but you keep talking about better health care.

Will you knowing where my money is, how much there is, and how it can be taken have a damned thing to do with the kind of care?

Come on and answer these questions so all of us can understand just how these things make for better healthcare. Also, please explain those exchanges so my wife can get some health care for her last year before Medicare, what little of that will be left after the Glorious Leader has cut it so much.

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Sep 26, 2013 17:44:58   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
Molly wrote:
NO.. you don't know for sure. First off.. if you insure that many peole there will be many healthy ones.. that helps pay for the sicker ones. AT the same time.. those healthy ones know that if they get hit by a bus it won't bankrupt them. They may not use it.. but they have the security blanket. And others will eat up more than their fair share.. this is how insurance works. This isn't new. That's how current insurers work. For instance.. I work for a large company.. my brain surgery won't raise anyone's costs because there are many healthy people who won't need theirs. On the other hand.. my husbands company is a small company. They had someone who had a tragic illness that cost a ton of money.. and their premiums went up. Had that not happened then their company would have kept their premiums pretty level.

This explains the push to insure many young healthy people.. it helps companies hedge their bets when they insure people. And at the same time those young healthy people will have the security blanket an unexpected pregnancy or accident won't be able to take away. Make sense?
NO.. you don't know for sure. First off.. if you i... (show quote)


That bolded statement sounds just like what the Army told us about nerve gas in the mid-50s. They showed us the tube of what may save us and told us how to jab the point through our pants legs and said it may save you till you get your second shot, but with only one shot of the stuff we wondered what was to happen. They told us to make sure we got ours injected in 30 seconds and that our buddies who didn't make it would have extra tubes because they would be dead. Do you see the point I am trying to make?

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Sep 26, 2013 17:49:23   #
faithistheword
 
donc711 wrote:
I agree with the statement you made about lying the loudest. But the who I do not. When I look at the scandals that have occurred in this administration I have to believe the agency heads are the loudest liars on earth with Eric Holder leading the pack. If you start out with Fast and Furious down to the present day almost every agency head questioned under oath during a commission hearing have lied plain and simple. All of these people made it to become agency heads by nomination by Obama and then approved by Harry Reid and company.

But yes most independent poles show favor toward Obama's agenda even so. Lying pays off it seems even when caught at it. And by far every Democrat testifying before a congressional hearing has lied and got caught at it. Just shows the ignorance of the v****g public and the socialistic indoctrination that has been on going in America ever since WWI.
I agree with the statement you made about lying th... (show quote)





Actually, most polls show that the majority DO NOT agree with the way the country is headed, but for some reason, barry is not blamed. It's the Limbaugh theory--barry isn't the president, he's still running for the presidency! He's trying to stop all these bad things!

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Sep 26, 2013 17:52:23   #
VladimirPee
 
The bill was created in a vacuum of highly partisan far left Democrats who's main objective was to Ram it Through


Molly wrote:
bmac.. you know nothing about me. This could easily effect everything about my life.. especially since I work in health care.. especially because I need brain surgery next month and may have some serious issues following that. You don't know me.. or my situation.

I am not saying it will work. I don't know that it will.. but I also don't know that it won't. This could effect my health care and my livelihood. I know there is risk. But this bill wasn't created in a vacuum. Many people with more education than I have worked on this. They looked at every area and they put in work to make sure it did work. He didn't just sit down at a desk and start guessing. Already there are areas that have needed tweaked.. and those areas need addressed. There will be areas that don't work and once the facts support that changes will be made. This is is signature legislation... he wants it to work because it is his legacy. If it doesn't work then his legacy will be tarnished forever.. so what makes you think he is out to make it fail? That doesn't make any sense.

If it fails I will be right there trying to make sure I elect people who will fix it. But until then the rest is speculation... people responded this way to social security and medicare too. But when they get their social security checks or are able to get care if their world falls apart.. they sure aren't complaining now.
bmac.. you know nothing about me. This could easil... (show quote)

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Sep 26, 2013 17:54:32   #
faithistheword
 
[quote=Alicia]
BoJester wrote:
A new poll reports that people do not want to defund Obamacare if it means shutting down the government. All deomgraphics but one, and you know which demo that is, the teabag party, do not want a shutdown.

Of course, the Tea Party doesn't want the government shut down - only Obamacare.

This is at least the second time the REPS have brought this nation to this point - purely so they can have their way. Evidently they are not interested in this country. That's what I would call UN-American!

The t***h is that they do NOT want the President to leave office with anything but negativity having occurred during his term. I still call that r****t.

Two phrases I recall is "Make the White House White again," "We want him to be a one-term president." The third phrase was during the convention when "Forget the fact finders" was stated openly. This proves that they can only appeal emotionally to their followers. Their followers are not intellectual but RESPOND purely on emotion and, instead of researching situations themselves, rely on what "John down the street" TOLD them.

Well, his second e******n truly upset and disturbed them (they didn't believe he would win the first) and they are still bringing up doubts they used during his first term. He is an American and a visionary. He's the only president I've felt proud of in a very long time. I'm so glad to see that he IS accomplishing even with THAT GROUP against him and trying to trip him up anyway they can.

I must say that especially because the GOP does not feel shame for their actions, I do feel shame for and on them.

You've got a good battle going on but I'm sure you are able to handle the situation.
A new poll reports that people do not want to defu... (show quote)





Holy Cow!! How far down the food chain ARE you? The only president you have been proud of? WTH are you smoking? No, I don't want any of it, I'd prefer to keep my brain cells working!

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Sep 26, 2013 17:57:44   #
faithistheword
 
BoJester wrote:
There is simply no response for a clueless post like yours.




Just means YOU don't have one!

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Sep 26, 2013 18:02:05   #
faithistheword
 
jaxon1 wrote:
I do not rely on the lies and misinformation about the ACA which the high court made legal. Lets work for the betterment of all citizens, not just the haves.





Do I detect a little jealousy there? You have the same opportunity to become a "Have" as anyone else. obamacare is destroying the middle class, not the wealthy class. The rich ARE getting richer, under barry. He needs them, more than he needs the middle class.

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