bluejacket

disagreeing with you is not lying , you seem to have a fundamental perception problem

Molly

I am so sorry if you took it that way.. I was very grateful actually. And I have a daughter too.. and I have encouraged her friends to look into it when they don't have options for birth control. Many still got pregnant and it was simply that they never think it will happen to them. This next gen scares me some.

I am just happy anytime I meet someone who actually understands PP. It is a very rare occurrence

carolyn

This woman said that PP provided her with birth control, therefore kept her from getting pregnant. This was no rape case here because you don't take birth control just because you just might happen to get raped. It was a case of repeated and consensual sex. And if she wasn't being laid often, then why take birth control at all?

No, the liberals in this country are to blame for these runaway sexual escapades that has been the scourge of the country for the last 60 or so years. Back in the 40's and 50's, it was a disgrace for a woman to get pregnant out of wedlock. Then it suddenly became a social status to have at least one illegitimate baby before graduating from high school. Then to really be in the standing, one had to have a baby before they got out of junior high. So don't try and reverse the blame onto me because of what I said.

So you have children and grandchildren, eh? I have 5 children and seven grandchildren, which does not affect the price of eggs in China one single whit. And if your children and grandchildren have had illegitimate children too, then I say you are also part of the problem with children having children today.

Molly

With all your h**e and negative glass half empty prude theories.. no wonder you are upset about not getting laid ... doesn't mean the rest of the country isn't. (that is a joke btw so don't get all worked up over it.. but lots of people are getting "laid" as you said before maybe they should be.. doesn't change the facts though) And it does effect you if the teen pregnancy rate is high as it would elevate teen mothers who may not be able to support themselves or a child and would increase the rate of a******n both.. so why limit birth control options? Like it or it this is the reality of the situation. You can sit there and be mad because you don't like it (i.e. pretty much all we see from the right anymore) but being discontent and ignoring it won't solve the problem.

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

Carolyn, you either have such minimal reading comprehension sk**ls, or you are so entrenched in your mindset, that nothing gets through to you.

Any reasonable interpretation of what has been written by Molly, AuntiE, or myself would have made it clear that none of your misconceptions about Molly, her situation, or the possibilities of the need for birth control beyond being "too hot to trot", or s**tty behavior make any sense.

You are entitled to your opinions, but the facts and realities of life don't match your perceptions.

As for "rape", in particular: I have a dear, life-long friend who is close to sixty. As a child, she was abused/raped by a family member. For reasons many will understand, she withheld her "shame" for years, and in her early teens, sought birth control pills to prevent an unwanted pregancy. Planned Parenthood was her best/only alternative to receiving the help she needed. She was not "too hot to trot", or s**tty! She did not inform PP of the reason she sought the pills fearing the family/social repercussions. If not for their assistance, her life may have been dramatically altered.

Other examples known to me, personally, do not need to be revealed. I suspect you would indict/convict individuals (in your mind) who were similiarily victims in need of help and understanding.

I thank you for your indulgence, and apologize for further "opining". Some things, to my "mindset", need to be said.

Homestead

So what!
If you believe in Planned Parenthood, get out your check book and donate to them. Why is it my responsibility to pay for someone else's sex life.

Get out of my pocket.

bluejacket

Hi , your attempt to insert logic is admirable, but you are going up against a narrow world view bolstered by an over moralistic perception of the poor and disadvantaged , I do like what you wrote and your last sentence shows a firm conviction of belief, in essence you are fighting the good fight

Homestead

If your so in love with Planned Parenthood, get out your check book and write a donation, for them, out of your own pocket, get the hell out of mine.

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

Speaking for myself, only:

I have donated to them for years, and have never used them, nor has any of my Family. I have never been in your pocket, Homestead.

:roll:

Homestead

Planned Parenthood is funded by tax dollars. Therefore they are in my pocket.

Raise your voice and get them on donations only and most of the troubles, will go away.

carolyn

After 49 ears of marriage and 5 kids, I believe I was laid as often as I wanted to be. But of course all of us women aren't nymphomaniacs. If some of you had as many sticking out of you as had been stuck into you, you would put a porcupine to shame.(that is a joke, btw, so don't get all worked up about it.)

If you have any age at all on your body, you can surely remember when girls were taught to keep themselves pure for their husbands. And marriages lasted a lot longer than they do today. Today, it is nothing to find that a woman has been married 3-4-and 5 times, and seems to be proud of it. That is all to their own opinion to what is "good." But what I am talking about is why should the taxpayer should be responsible for the actions of these little hot--es who don't even know, or are taught, that this is immoral because, they do not know who their father is because their mother's don't know either.

This is a good example of the socialism that has been slowly taking over this country since the 1960's. and when you condone this, you are admitting your socialistic tendencies. This acceptance of teenage sex and welfare go hand in hand, which is nothing more than socialism, whether you want to believe it or not.

BTW, how many of your kids wound up putting more burden on the taxpayer?

carolyn

Take the "poor and disadvantaged" crap and shove it as far where the sun doesn't shine and hop like a rabbit. There is no comparison between the poor and disadvantaged and having sex when you are still in grade school. That all comes to the fact that most parents are not ready to become parents when the get married, so they still want to do their thing and leave their kids to more or less take care of themselves. If one would ask most parents where their kids was on any given night, they would not be able to tell you. Now that are the few that are legally married.

And it all comes to the fact that an unmarried mother gets more money for having more illegitimate kids. It is a racket that this stupid government chooses to allow to happen for the almighty v**e. How else could Lyndon Johnson have gotten by with all he did to screw the citizens of this country? Remember the War on Poverty and putting Social Security in the general fund, and making it mandatory for everyone to join SS?

Isn't that the real reason Social Security is broke now?

Molly

You are so narrow minded and ignorant of reality that I don't even know how to reply. Every time you go making assumptions about things I can prove you wrong with just my life experience, so how many other millions of woman could do the same.

Do you like a******n? Do you like when parents beat their kids or treat them like crap? Then morally what you should want to do is prevent that from happening. No, teenagers shouldn't have sex at the rate they do. And surely no parent is immune or can prevent that without locking their child up. I can pretty much guarantee your children have lied to you on numerous occasions because I know how children under parents with such narrow views get by/ Not only was I one, but so were most of my friends as a teenager as I grew up in church and was a teen youth leader in an almost 500 teenager youth group growing up. I grew up there and so did most of my friends. Many weren't that bad, and others hid some pretty disturbing things pretty well. My daughter doesn't have to lie to me and when I found out she was starting to think about it I placed $900 of birth control in her arm. Out of my pocket. Insurance didn't cover it but because she could be honest with me about it I could protect her for 3 years from any unintended pregnancies.

That is not the norm. More often then not kids lie about it or have completely erroneous ideas about sex and birth control and how to prevent babies. Its scary. They don't know these things because parents just say don't have sex and leave it as that. In comes PP.. they help prevent so many unwanted pregnancies.

Let me tell you a few things about unwanted pregnancies. And to be clear I do mean unwanted, not just unintended. Many of those come out just fine.But if a pregnancy is truly unwanted it will likely end in a******n or abuse or neglect. Media, as it has in the last few generations, pushes it on our kids through many various outlets. You aren't going to stop that any time soon. SO while it sucks, ignoring the problem doesn't make it go away. It exists and we as society need to be here to minimize that damage. And this is only referring to teens, there are many other women who seek out PP for a variety of other reasons.

But back to my main point. I get your moral views, I grew up with them. But that isn't the reality. Yes kids have more sex these days, but teenagers have been having sex since Adam and Eve. People married earlier.. even around age 13 starting in many of the earliest civilizations. Bodies are programmed to become physically mature at a young age. And while people do marry early still, so many want to go to college and get into a career and go into marriage more secure. That is admirable as well. Doesn't mean they don't become sexually mature til 25. Do you see why your view of all premarital sex is s**t sex is out of touch with what is going on? Would you rather just preach at people and make false assumptions about them and bury your head in a hole? How does that make sense to anyone?

Molly

What are your views on a******n and child abuse? If you don't like them then its in your best interest to prevent it. The benefits outweigh the cost if you are against a******n or child abuse.

carolyn

You are not worth talking to. You say that you are so fine but in the next breath say that childhood sex is ok. You had daughters that had sex at a young age so you told them about the pill to keep them from getting pregnant. In anything you people have said I do not find one word about morality. All you say is that you grew up with moral views but evidently they did nothing to put out the crotch fire, did they? So what did your parents do? give you a gross of condoms and tell you to have at it?

As to "beating" a child, I do not condone it either. But, as I can attest, a pat on the back has kept more children in line than anything I know as long as it is low enough, hard enough and often enough. But the trouble is that most parents would rather ignore what their darling little angels do than punish them when they do wrong. It is so much easier to ignore their wrongs than to correct them.

And then we have the professional welfare s**ts that do nothing but lay around, getting pregnant every nine months by everything that wears pants. They have no idea who their babies fathers are and couldn't care less as long as they get an increase in their check. But what makes this so terrible is that the taxpayer is supposed to foot the bill with a big grin.

And that is bulls**t with a capital B.