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Nov 4, 2015 06:52:09   #
VladimirPee
 
SO 7 years after Reagan left office you had nearly doubled your pay? And you are blaming Reagan? How about all those folks who work on Wall Street? Most employers do better when they have better qualified labor



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Companies will pay their employees what they must and that is all. If they are not forced under a threat of a work stoppage they will only pay what they absolutely have to. It is business 101.
In 1985 (just before Reagans "great American expansion" which gave tax breaks to corporations that expanded their business to overseas operations) I was making 13.50 an hour. In 1988 i was making 15.00 an hour and when I retired in 1995 i was making 22 dollars an hour. People today making 13.50 an hour think they have a good job. I was making that 30 years ago. the demise of labor unions has not only affected union workers but non union workers as well. i remember the republicans always saying that if they could just get rid of the unions the companies could pay their employees better. Well, they got rid of the unions and how are the American workers doing?
Companies will pay their employees what they must ... (show quote)

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Nov 4, 2015 09:08:33   #
Dave Loc: Upstate New York
 
GOP poison wrote:
Companies will pay their employees what they must and that is all. If they are not forced under a threat of a work stoppage they will only pay what they absolutely have to. It is business 101.
In 1985 (just before Reagans "great American expansion" which gave tax breaks to corporations that expanded their business to overseas operations) I was making 13.50 an hour. In 1988 i was making 15.00 an hour and when I retired in 1995 i was making 22 dollars an hour. People today making 13.50 an hour think they have a good job. I was making that 30 years ago. the demise of labor unions has not only affected union workers but non union workers as well. i remember the republicans always saying that if they could just get rid of the unions the companies could pay their employees better. Well, they got rid of the unions and how are the American workers doing?
Companies will pay their employees what they must ... (show quote)


Business 101 is that you must be able to command from the market value greater the cost of what you produce. If a union forces a company to pay more for labor than the market will pay for the output of that labor a thing called bankruptcy occurs.

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Nov 4, 2015 10:08:42   #
jimahrens Loc: California
 
Gee do you think we can get stupid people to see such a simple law of mathematics. Oh it must be new math where 2+2 equals five.
Dave wrote:
Business 101 is that you must be able to command from the market value greater the cost of what you produce. If a union forces a company to pay more for labor than the market will pay for the output of that labor a thing called bankruptcy occurs.

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Nov 5, 2015 20:10:28   #
GOP poison
 
VladimirPee wrote:
SO 7 years after Reagan left office you had nearly doubled your pay? And you are blaming Reagan? How about all those folks who work on Wall Street? Most employers do better when they have better qualified labor


True... 7 years after reagan left my pay was doubled. Of course Clinton was president then and you seem to forget the three years I was laid off when Reagans policies sent my job overseas. i was dumb enough to break the french guy in on my robotics thinking I was helping my company expand their global footprint.

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Nov 5, 2015 20:12:36   #
VladimirPee
 
Reagan policies ? Such as? Please be specific. The outsourcing rage took off in the 90s son. Under Clinton


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True... 7 years after reagan left my pay was doubled. Of course Clinton was president then and you seem to forget the three years I was laid off when Reagans policies sent my job overseas. i was dumb enough to break the french guy in on my robotics thinking I was helping my company expand their global footprint.

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Nov 5, 2015 20:20:16   #
working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina
 
jimahrens wrote:
Yak all you want you have a real awaking coming don't kid yourself Your ignorance is monumental.


I think you are the one 'yakking'....asking a stupid question with such ridiculous insults built into it.

All I did was turn it upside down and it reduced you to unintelligent name calling.

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Nov 5, 2015 20:31:58   #
GOP poison
 
VladimirPee wrote:
Reagan policies ? Such as? Please be specific. The outsourcing rage took off in the 90s son. Under Clinton


My job went overseas in 1985. I was working in a factory in Illinois and almost all the factories in my town reduced their workforce by 60% by outsourcing. At that time we were sending jobs to france. Eventually American corporations kept looking for cheaper and cheaper workers and wound up in China. This happened in 1985. I was called back to work at a factory in Ohio at the end of 1988 and worked there until 1995 until I retired. I watched people lose everything. Men committed suicide. All of this was done due to the"Great American Expansion. Since then we have had democratic presidents and republican presidents and neither have done a thing about it.

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Nov 5, 2015 20:33:08   #
VladimirPee
 
I asked you what policies? American textiles began outsourcing in the 60s. Electronics in the 70s


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My job went overseas in 1985. I was working in a factory in Illinois and almost all the factories in my town reduced their workforce by 60% by outsourcing. At that time we were sending jobs to france. Eventually American corporations kept looking for cheaper and cheaper workers and wound up in China. This happened in 1985. I was called back to work at a factory in Ohio at the end of 1988 and worked there until 1995 until I retired. I watched people lose everything. Men committed suicide. All of this was done due to the"Great American Expansion. Since then we have had democratic presidents and republican presidents and neither have done a thing about it.
My job went overseas in 1985. I was working in a f... (show quote)

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Nov 5, 2015 21:06:39   #
Kevyn
 
atc333 wrote:
You are in a state of denial with that question. The GOP began the destruction of the middle class with Reagan's "tax cuts for job creators" and has continued ever since, the GOP's failed economic theories costing the Fed over 13 Trillion Dollars in lost tax revenues, which instead, went into the pockets, and was used to maximize the investments of the top 2%, not job creation for Americans. Today, the top 2% now own almost 50% of all the wealth of America, compared to only 8% of everything back in 1969.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/10/12/1335556/-The-great-Republican-tax-cut-

All anyone has to do is look at what the GOP is against, beginning with minimum wage, equal wages for equal work, paid family leave, Why not compare the increases in the income of the rich to the increases or loss of income of the 98% after factoring in inflation. Really now, just what Party is attacking the middle and well paid working classes? What party is anti union, and pro big business, anti g****l w*****g legislation in outright denial, all because it all brings in more campaign contributions?
You are in a state of denial with that question. ... (show quote)
The decline of our middle class almost exactly parallels the decline in organized labor brought about by a conservitive political agenda. If you want a return of a strong middle class strengthen labor laws and regulate trade with nations who do not respect labor rights.

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Nov 5, 2015 21:10:07   #
VladimirPee
 
No actually the decline parallels the period when Post WW2 Union Pensions began kicking in by the mid 60s


Kevyn wrote:
The decline of our middle class almost exactly parallels the decline in organized labor brought about by a conservitive political agenda. If you want a return of a strong middle class strengthen labor laws and regulate trade with nations who do not respect labor rights.

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