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Oct 18, 2015 20:30:35   #
Doc110 Loc: York PA
 
SamDawkins wrote:
I have never attacked anyone on a personal level. The same cannot be said for others.


Non the less this is what you do Sam.

You Attack. . . . .

You really should tray a much better approach.

Everything is an argument. and the attack argument is yours of the making.

Stand up and take a bow, for all your anti-Christian attack accomplishment.

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Oct 18, 2015 23:59:36   #
J Anthony Loc: Connecticut
 
SamDawkins wrote:
I have never attacked anyone on a personal level. The same cannot be said for others.


Got that right.

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Oct 19, 2015 00:11:22   #
J Anthony Loc: Connecticut
 
padremike wrote:
Then according to your hypothesis there are no moral T***hs and absolutes. To that end moral relativism reigns supreme and moral relativism is what we have today and the fruits of that philosophy is insanity.


that's your intepretation, and a vague one at that. Insanity does not "reign supreme" because of a supposed lack of "moral t***hs or absolutes." Insanity stems from many a dark seed, not just the generalities you are ascribing to me or anyone else who doesn't agree with you.
Why don't you name some moral t***hs and absolutes,before acting like an expert on them? This "absolution" means what to you? That because everyone does not believe and see and feel things the exact same way, that this is the problem with the world? Try again.

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Oct 19, 2015 00:19:35   #
CounterRevolutionary
 
Doc110 wrote:
I don't take great offense, Christianity and the Constitution, know your historical facts, Sam.

The founding fathers most were opposed to s***ery and it was the British Crown that allowed for s***ery to exist in British colonies.

Most of the America Christians and founding fathers and the northern United States opposed S***ery.

Here is an Article that explains the American S***ery issues succinctly and goes directly to the heart of the issues of S***ery at the onset of the American revolution.

The Founding Fathers and S***ery
http://www.britannica.com/topic/The-Founding-Fathers-and-S***ery-1269536


Although many of the Founding Fathers acknowledged that s***ery violated the core American Revolutionary ideal of liberty, their simultaneous commitment to private property rights, principles of limited government, and intersectional harmony prevented them from making a bold move against s***ery. The considerable investment of Southern Founders in s***e-based staple agriculture, combined with their deep-seated racial prejudice, posed additional obstacles to emancipation.

In his initial draft of the Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson condemned the injustice of the s***e trade and, by implication, s***ery, but he also blamed the presence of ens***ed Africans in North America on avaricious British colonial policies. Jefferson thus acknowledged that s***ery violated the natural rights of the ens***ed, while at the same time he absolved Americans of any responsibility for owning s***es themselves. The Continental Congress apparently rejected the tortured logic of this passage by deleting it from the final document, but this decision also signaled the Founders’ commitment to subordinating the controversial issue of s***ery to the larger goal of securing the unity and independence of the United States.

Nevertheless, the Founders, with the exception of those from South Carolina and Georgia, exhibited considerable aversion to s***ery during the era of the Articles of Confederation (1781–89) by prohibiting the importation of foreign s***es to individual states and lending their support to a proposal by Jefferson to ban s***ery in the Northwest Territory. Such antis***ery policies, however, only went so far. The prohibition of foreign s***e imports, by limiting the foreign supply, conveniently served the interests of Virginia and Maryland s***eholders, who could then sell their own surplus s***es southward and westward at higher prices. Furthermore, the ban on s***ery in the Northwest tacitly legitimated the expansion of s***ery in the Southwest.

Despite initial disagreements over s***ery at the Constitutional Convention in 1787, the Founders once again demonstrated their commitment to maintaining the unity of the new United States by resolving to diffuse sectional tensions over s***ery. To this end the Founders drafted a series of constitutional clauses acknowledging deep-seated regional differences over s***ery while requiring all sections of the new country to make compromises as well. They granted s***eholding states the right to count three-fifths of their s***e population when it came to apportioning the number of a state’s representatives to Congress, thereby enhancing Southern power in the House of Representatives. But they also used this same ratio to determine the federal tax contribution required of each state, thus increasing the direct federal tax burden of s***eholding states. Georgians and South Carolinians won a moratorium until 1808 on any Congressional ban against the importation of s***es, but in the meantime individual states remained free to prohibit s***e imports if they so wished. Southerners also obtained the inclusion of a fugitive s***e clause (see Fugitive S***e Acts) designed to encourage the return of runaway s***es who sought refuge in free states, but the Constitution left enforcement of this clause to the cooperation of the states rather than to the coercion of Congress.

Although the Founders, consistent with their beliefs in limited government, opposed granting the new federal government significant authority over s***ery, several individual Northern Founders promoted antis***ery causes at the state level. Benjamin Franklin in Pennsylvania, as well as John Jay and Alexander Hamilton in New York, served as officers in their respective state antis***ery societies. The prestige they lent to these organizations ultimately contributed to the gradual abolition of s***ery in each of the Northern states.

Although s***ery was legal in every Northern state at the beginning of the American Revolution, its economic impact was marginal. As a result, Northern Founders were freer to explore the libertarian dimensions of Revolutionary ideology. The experience of Franklin was in many ways typical of the evolving attitudes of Northern Founders toward s***ery. Although enmeshed in the s***e system for much of his life, Franklin eventually came to believe that s***ery ought to be abolished gradually and legally. Franklin himself had owned s***es, run ads in his Pennsylvania Gazette to secure the return of fugitive s***es, and defended the honour of s***eholding revolutionaries. By 1781, however, Franklin had divested himself of s***es, and shortly thereafter he became the president of the Pennsylvania Abolition Society. He also went further than most of his contemporaries by signing a petition to the First Federal Congress in 1790 for the abolition of s***ery and the s***e trade.

Unlike their Northern counterparts, Southern Founders generally steered clear of organized antis***ery activities, primarily to maintain their legitimacy among s***eholding constituents. Furthermore, while a few Northern and Southern Founders manumitted a small number of s***es, no Southern plantation-owning Founder, except George Washington, freed a sizeable body of ens***ed labourers. Because his own s***es shared familial attachments with the dower s***es of his wife, Martha Custis Washington, he sought to convince her heirs to forego their inheritance rights in favour of a collective manumission so as to ensure that entire families, not just individual family members, might be freed. Washington failed to win the consent of the Custis heirs, but he nevertheless made sure, through his last will and testament, that his own s***es would enjoy the benefit of freedom.

Washington’s act of manumission implied that he could envision a biracial United States where both b****s and w****s might live together as free people. Jefferson, however, explicitly rejected this vision. He acknowledged that s***ery violated the natural rights of s***es and that conflicts over s***ery might one day lead to the dissolution of the union, but he also believed that, given alleged innate racial differences and deeply held prejudices, emancipation would inevitably degrade the character of the republic and unleash violent civil strife between b****s and w****s. Jefferson thus advocated c**pling emancipation with what he called “colonization,” or removal, of the black population beyond the boundaries of the United States. His proposals won considerable support in the North, where racial prejudice was on the rise, but such schemes found little support among the majority of Southern s***eholders.

When the last remaining Founders died in the 1830s, they left behind an ambiguous legacy with regard to s***ery. They had succeeded in gradually abolishing s***ery in the Northern states and Northwestern territories but permitted its rapid expansion in the South and Southwest. Although they eventually enacted a federal ban on the importation of foreign s***es in 1808, the ens***ed population continued to expand through natural reproduction, while the growing internal domestic s***e trade led to an increase in the tragic breakup of ens***ed families.
I don't take great offense, Christianity and the C... (show quote)


This article is simply false. The Founding fathers held no such "ambiguity" whatsoever on the immorality of s***ery. Jefferson married one of the "s***es" after his wife died, and the rest were freed as Washington's s***es were freed. You would call this prejudiced? Enough of these liberal lies, once again, defaming America, Free markets and free people. We did fight a Civil War to stomp out this s***ery problem. Would you like to cite all the millions who died for our country and to end this criminal and immoral behavior?

http://www.britannica.com/topic/The-Founding-Fathers-and-S***ery-1269536
(This article is from the British historical perspective and highly d******e and misleading.)
"Nevertheless, the Founders, with the exception of those from South Carolina and Georgia, exhibited considerable aversion to s***ery during the era of the Articles of Confederation (1781–89) by prohibiting the importation of foreign s***es to individual states and lending their support to a proposal by Jefferson to ban s***ery in the Northwest Territory."

And what was the rest of the story? The Northwest Ordinance became part of the Constitution in 1787, first penned by Thomas Jefferson in 1785, banning s***ery in all newly admitted states to the Union beyond the first 13 former colonies, and further on to the Pacific Ocean. Have you ever picked up a copy of the Constitution that includes this Northwest Ordinance?

No.

Why is that? I'd call it historical revisionism by the Progressive Left in our education system for the past 100 years.

Furthermore, the article you cited above lists Ben Franklin, (a poor vagabond, an apprenticed printer, self taught and a self-made man), as a s***e holder at the beginning of the article, and later on, as a staunch opponent to s***ery at the end of the article. Very misleading again, to the readers and highly d******e.

The Founding Fathers were vehemently opposed to s***ery, publishing widely, shutting down the African shipping s***e trade, while attempting to end Southerners' trafficking. Would you like me to cite some of their voluminous articles?

It was Great Britain that greatly wanted the Southern cotton industry for its own textile mills and condoned s***ery and the Confederacy's secession, something the Founding fathers anticipated long in advance. The northern American Textile mills did not approve of s***ery, which was impeding the industrial revolution.

Read George Washington's parting address to the Union on his fears of foreign entanglement in commerce and wars and their dangerous alliances the southern states.

We fought Great Britain in the American Revolution 1776, in the War of 1812, by proxy in the Civil War, in the British attempted takeover of our private banks triggering the 1st Great Depression of 1893, and the second successful takeover of coining our currency in 1914 by London bankers helping establish the Federal Reserve System. The Brits jumped from subsidizing American s***ery to fomenting American progressive socialism!

http://www.ourdocuments.gov/doc.php?flash=true&doc=8
Northwest Ordinance (1787)

http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/turningpoints/search.asp?id=325
Art. 6. There shall be neither s***ery nor involuntary servitude in the said territory, otherwise than in the punishment of crimes whereof the party shall have been duly convicted: Provided, always, That any person escaping into the same, from whom labor or service is lawfully claimed in any one of the original States, such fugitive may be lawfully reclaimed and conveyed to the person claiming his or her labor or service as aforesaid."

The 1793 Fugitive S***e Act was nullified first, by the state of Massachusetts, setting the precedence for nullification to become the tool to fight federal government overreach of State's Rights, from there on, well into in the 21st Century.

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Oct 19, 2015 00:46:59   #
CounterRevolutionary
 
Doc110 wrote:
Hillary Clinton is pandering to the Corporate Private Prisons for campaign donations.

Both political parties are equal opportunity offenders.


True. Her husband Bill and Al Gore passed the Omnibus Crime Bill - greatly advancing illegal search and seizure of private property prior conviction of any criminal wrong doing. Nearly 3/4 of government seized property is returned to innocent Americans. This is in violation of our constitutional rights and it is a highly profitable pilfering by underpaid cops in an economy in a tailspin.

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Oct 19, 2015 00:51:32   #
CounterRevolutionary
 
padremike wrote:
The surest way to destroy income e******y is not to steal it from one to give to another but thru hard work, sometimes education, innovation and initiative. Progressives are the one's who foolishly believe their secular, socialists, relativistic and materialistic utopia is possible to attain amongst humanity. Some people will always do better than others, that's life and often limited to those with ambition. The only thing the shrew accomplishes with her rhetoric is the very same thing the bastard in the white house accomplished and that is to to divide and cause hatred amongst Americans. May they both be damned!
The surest way to destroy income e******y is not t... (show quote)


The biggest invisible bank heist in human history is going down right now under the Federal Reserve's Inflation machine printing reams of funny money, hundreds of trillions of dollars way beyond our GDP. The purchasing power of the dollar is being reduced to a dime, right before your very eyes. Hard, honest work, education, or innovation, never can outrun the Inflation Machine.

Go tell your labor union to advocate auditing the Federal Reserve Bank. The Democrats keep fingering the big, bad CEOs of the Fortune 500 for hoarding all the money. When will their lying farce ever end? The American workers will constantly be hammered down to the lowest common denominator of Third World serfs under every c*******t and f*****t dictatorship, as long as the Federal Reserve Bank keeps printing reams of this counterfeit currency.

Our production may be 100 times greater, our innovation may produce a thousand times as many patents, and we are reduced to banana pickers in a banana republic by this Federal Reserve Inflation Machine. Audit the Fed and Abolish the Fed. Pass Senate Bill S.264 now.

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Oct 19, 2015 05:56:03   #
Doc110 Loc: York PA
 
CounterRevolutionary wrote:
This article is simply false. The Founding fathers held no such "ambiguity" whatsoever on the immorality of s***ery. Jefferson married one of the "s***es" after his wife died, and the rest were freed as Washington's s***es were freed. You would call this prejudiced? Enough of these liberal lies, once again, defaming America, Free markets and free people. We did fight a Civil War to stomp out this s***ery problem. Would you like to cite all the millions who died for our country and to end this criminal and immoral behavior?

http://www.britannica.com/topic/The-Founding-Fathers-and-S***ery-1269536
(This article is from the British historical perspective and highly d******e and misleading.)
"Nevertheless, the Founders, with the exception of those from South Carolina and Georgia, exhibited considerable aversion to s***ery during the era of the Articles of Confederation (1781–89) by prohibiting the importation of foreign s***es to individual states and lending their support to a proposal by Jefferson to ban s***ery in the Northwest Territory."

And what was the rest of the story? The Northwest Ordinance became part of the Constitution in 1787, first penned by Thomas Jefferson in 1785, banning s***ery in all newly admitted states to the Union beyond the first 13 former colonies, and further on to the Pacific Ocean. Have you ever picked up a copy of the Constitution that includes this Northwest Ordinance?

No.

Why is that? I'd call it historical revisionism by the Progressive Left in our education system for the past 100 years.

Furthermore, the article you cited above lists Ben Franklin, (a poor vagabond, an apprenticed printer, self taught and a self-made man), as a s***e holder at the beginning of the article, and later on, as a staunch opponent to s***ery at the end of the article. Very misleading again, to the readers and highly d******e.

The Founding Fathers were vehemently opposed to s***ery, publishing widely, shutting down the African shipping s***e trade, while attempting to end Southerners' trafficking. Would you like me to cite some of their voluminous articles?

It was Great Britain that greatly wanted the Southern cotton industry for its own textile mills and condoned s***ery and the Confederacy's secession, something the Founding fathers anticipated long in advance. The northern American Textile mills did not approve of s***ery, which was impeding the industrial revolution.

Read George Washington's parting address to the Union on his fears of foreign entanglement in commerce and wars and their dangerous alliances the southern states.

We fought Great Britain in the American Revolution 1776, in the War of 1812, by proxy in the Civil War, in the British attempted takeover of our private banks triggering the 1st Great Depression of 1893, and the second successful takeover of coining our currency in 1914 by London bankers helping establish the Federal Reserve System. The Brits jumped from subsidizing American s***ery to fomenting American progressive socialism!

http://www.ourdocuments.gov/doc.php?flash=true&doc=8
Northwest Ordinance (1787)

http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/turningpoints/search.asp?id=325
Art. 6. There shall be neither s***ery nor involuntary servitude in the said territory, otherwise than in the punishment of crimes whereof the party shall have been duly convicted: Provided, always, That any person escaping into the same, from whom labor or service is lawfully claimed in any one of the original States, such fugitive may be lawfully reclaimed and conveyed to the person claiming his or her labor or service as aforesaid."

The 1793 Fugitive S***e Act was nullified first, by the state of Massachusetts, setting the precedence for nullification to become the tool to fight federal government overreach of State's Rights, from there on, well into in the 21st Century.
This article is simply false. The Founding fathers... (show quote)


Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Go for it, and re-write history as you see fit CounterRevolutionary and justify your immorality of an accepted worldly practice of s***ery.

The end of s***ery is but another name, corporate s***ery in this present day.

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Oct 20, 2015 03:39:14   #
CounterRevolutionary
 
Doc110 wrote:
Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Go for it, and re-write history as you see fit CounterRevolutionary and justify your immorality of an accepted worldly practice of s***ery.

The end of s***ery is but another name, corporate s***ery in this present day.


My post above does not justify s***ery, and it exposes the fact that neither did our founding fathers. Perhaps the post was too long and you did not read it?

Please review, on your own, the Northwest Ordinance, penned by Thomas Jefferson whose 2nd wife was Black.
Please read "What the Founding Fathers Said About S***ery":
http://econfaculty.gmu.edu/wew/quotes/s***ery.html

If you are unhappy about your job in a corporation, please feel free to change your job and your circumstances. Good grief!

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Oct 20, 2015 03:50:18   #
PeterS
 
CounterRevolutionary wrote:
My post above does not justify s***ery, and it exposes the fact that neither did our founding fathers. Perhaps the post was too long and you did not read it?

Please review, on your own, the Northwest Ordinance, penned by Thomas Jefferson whose 2nd wife was Black.
Please read "What the Founding Fathers Said About S***ery":
http://econfaculty.gmu.edu/wew/quotes/s***ery.html

If you are unhappy about your job in a corporation, please feel free to change your job and your circumstances. Good grief!
My post above does not justify s***ery, and it exp... (show quote)


So if I had s***es and then freed them upon my death that would mean I didn't support s***ery?

You have a very peculiar way of looking at things or would it mean I got mine and I just don't want you to get yours...

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Oct 20, 2015 19:32:03   #
SamDawkins
 
CounterRevolutionary wrote:
My post above does not justify s***ery, and it exposes the fact that neither did our founding fathers. Perhaps the post was too long and you did not read it?

Please review, on your own, the Northwest Ordinance, penned by Thomas Jefferson whose 2nd wife was Black.
Please read "What the Founding Fathers Said About S***ery":
http://econfaculty.gmu.edu/wew/quotes/s***ery.html

If you are unhappy about your job in a corporation, please feel free to change your job and your circumstances. Good grief!
My post above does not justify s***ery, and it exp... (show quote)


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: Brilliant! absolutely brilliant! :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: Great Link.

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Oct 21, 2015 01:25:17   #
CounterRevolutionary
 
PeterS wrote:
So if I had s***es and then freed them upon my death that would mean I didn't support s***ery?

You have a very peculiar way of looking at things or would it mean I got mine and I just don't want you to get yours...


If one were living back in 1700 and inherited s***es, in the midst of organizing a revolt against the British empire, would it not be prudent to first write a Constitution that banned s***es (including the Northwest Ordinance), next, write laws that banned importing s***es and the sale of s***es, and then plot to o*******w the s***e economy of the South in gradual steps, so as not to lose the war for independence. The Southerners found it far more profitable to engage in trade with England, not the Connecticut textile mills. A war for Independence was not in the South's interest.

People forget that between the Revolutionary War, the War of 1812, the Civil War, and the banking crisis of 1893, over a hundred years passed under British intrigue to destroy America and recapture our cotton and textile markets.

The northern businessmen and politicians were playing a shrewd game of cards to keep the southern states in the union and fend off their ties to the British markets. S***ery was to be gradually phased out in the southern states. But, the southerners were so entangled with British markets, they had no incentive to change. We had a Civil War in 1863 to end this nonsense. Still the Brits persisted, and did not stop their meddling and intrigue. They attacked us in the War of 1812, and again, lost.

Next the Brits convinced US private bankers to persuade congress to relinquish its constitutional responsibility to coin money, so that the private US banks might manage the gold supply jointly with the British bankers, coining so little gold, as to only loan to mega cartels and combines, destroying loan access of small farmers, both Black and White alike. The Great Depression of 1893 ensued.

B****s were not to have farms or businesses, or any method of self enrichment and empowerment via private property and free markets. (This actually part of Karl Marx's banking agenda.) These big bankers were socialist. but some wealthy Americans, such as John D. Rockefeller and the Eastman Kodak Company financed thousands of Black missionaries to build schools and the Tuskegee University. There arose true capitalist corporations and c*******t corporations, side by side.

Look up the history of US banking on Youtube and the story of the Wizzard of Oz, a political parody of the 1893 banking crisis and Depression, American bankers in collusion with British bankers, using the gold standard to limit credit. The gold supply was minimal but the silver supply of billions of dollars, went unused:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Af1rxDeBPA4
Silver Money & the Wizard of OZ linked to William Jennings Bryan

Next came the Federal Reserve Bank in 1914, another attempt at a British financial c**p. Again, a run on the banks ensued, this time financing the Bolshevik Revolution and the rise of Hitler.

We are still engaged in a war against Black prosperity, pushing the destruction of the family unit, private property, and mass a******ns. Just look at how much Black property was lost since President Obama took office.

Here, Peter, take a look at the American socialist corporations who fund 1/3rd of Planned Parenthood, (how charitable) while the Federal Government funds the rest, for women's health, of course, where the vast majority of 60 million a******ns since Roe vs. Wade are amongst minorities:

Planned Parenthood corporate donors:
1. Adobe Systems Incorporated
2. Alere Inc.
3. Anheuser&#8208;Busch InBev SA
4. AOL Inc.
5. Applied Materials, Inc.
6. Bank of America Corp.
7. Bank of New York Mellon Corp., The
8. Bayer AG
9. BJ's Restaurants, Inc.
10. B****stone Group L.P., The
11. Brinker International, Inc.
12. Carlson Companies, Inc.
13. Chevron Corporation
14. CIGNA Corporation
15. Community Bank System, Inc.
16. Computer Sciences Corporation
17. Cox Enterprises Inc.
18. Daimler AG
19. Eastern Bank Corp.
20. eBay Inc.
21. Equifax, Inc.
22. Ernst & Young LLP
23. Estée Lauder Companies Inc., The
24. Freddie Mac
25. Fannie Mae
26. Gap Inc., The
27. General Electric Company
28. GlaxoSmithKline Plc
29. Goldman Sachs Group, Inc., The
30. Hess Corporation
31. Hillshire Brands Company
32. Home Depot, Inc., The
33. Irving Group, The
34. Johnson & Johnson
35. JPMorgan Chase & Co.
36. Kaiser Permanente
37. KPMG L.L.P.

38. L Brands, Inc.
39. Laureate Education, Inc.
40. Laboratory Corp. of America Holdings
41. Lions Gate Entertainment Corp.
42. M&T Bank Corporation
43. Macy's, Inc.
44. ManpowerGroup Inc.
45. Marr**tt International, Inc.
46. Marsh & McLennan Companies, Inc.
47. McKesson Corporation
48. Meredith Corporation
49. Nationwide Financial Services, Inc.
50. New York Times Company, The
51. Nike, Inc.
52. Northern Trust Corporation
53. Office Depot, Inc.
54. Playboy Enterprises, Inc.
55. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP
56. Procter & Gamble Company, The
57. Quest Diagnostics Inc.
58. Southern Company
59. Southwest Airlines Co.
60. Staples, Inc.
61. Starbucks Corp.
62. Steelcase Inc.
63. T. Rowe Price Group, Inc.
64. Tenet Healthcare Corporation
65. Tiffany & Co.
66. Time Warner Inc.
67. Toronto D******n Bank, The
68. Tripadvisor Inc.
69. Unilever PLC
70. United Parcel Service, Inc. (UPS)
71. Walt Disney Company, The
72. Wells Fargo & Co.
73. Whole Foods Market, Inc.
Source: evalueator.com

Neutering the nation. The war against the poor and minorities is still ongoing, despite our Declaration of Independence and Civil War, two World Wars, and never ending efforts of the Progressive Democrats to put these guys back on the government plantation, this welfare being out of love and charity from their benevolent hearts, of course. At some point, you have to become suspicious.

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Oct 21, 2015 14:20:44   #
Doc110 Loc: York PA
 
SamDawkins wrote:
:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: Brilliant! absolutely brilliant! :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: Great Link.



White Guilt . . . . . .

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