jdberndj

I know someone here was claiming O won in 2012 by "the slimmest of margins with just 51% of the v**e". Well when your opponent gets only 47% of the v**e and you win all but one swing state mostly where republicans control state politics and thus the e******n process, that is a few points short of a landslide and he beat McCain/Palin in a landslide. I know you are dying to delegitimize O at the cost of any logic, but as they say in sports, you have to respect the scoreboard! There is virtually no evidence of v***r f***d, except where republicans close minority polling places, cancel early v****g, reduce v****g hours and try to intimidate minority v**ers. This is reality, what you or I BELIEVE is irrelevant. The only stolen P**********l e******ns in modern history were in 200 and maybe 1960. Nixon tried in 1972, but it turned out he didn't need to.

bahmer

You think?

GaryMickel1955

Check out the stats on Nationaldebt.org it shows the facts of our debt and it is close to 50,trillion now but the overall actual debt is 188trilion. fact not fiction. and the Democratic house and senate since 2006 ran up the debt that is blamed on Bush. They passed deregulation and many other stupid bills that added to our debt and costs of living.

rhomin57 Loc: Far Northern CA.

I know for a fact that "O" was put on the P**********l Campaign B****t fraudulently, illegally, in 2008 by his own party. Those involved were tried and sentenced. The news coverage of that was quite short. But I watched and listened to it!! The media than focused on one sole old black lady that v**ed for "O" several times in families names to place the focus on that. I'm tired of repeating this. Oh, then "O" and Mrs. "O" pretty much trampled George and Laura before their term was even up to get into the White House. President G. Bush was NOT fraudulently put in office in 2000. It was a close tie and it went to the Superior Court. Due to the fact that America needed to have a President, the gavel fell in Governor George Walker Bush! Get off of the Bush's back.

Thinkmanvt

Can you provide some details (such as the name of the convicted, or what state(s) it happened in) so I can do some Googling/surfing? As you suggested, this news item was so briefly covered (if at all) that I have no memory of it at all. How does a major political party run a primary system and convention to choose a candidate in public view and then commit fraud by having that nominee on the States' b****ts in November? Are we discussing technical mistakes with filing deadlines or paperwork (which might not be legal, but is not usually call fraud). I know you said you are tired of repeating this, but this sounds like a concrete lead to understanding why some people are so upset even before the last five years' performance.

jdberndj

I don't remember this either. It seems grossly unlikely that such a problem would have escaped the Hillary Clinton campaign if there was an ounce of t***h to it. Please, give us some,...any specifics so we can try to get some,...any idea where you get such vitriol over our Nation's President.

GaryMickel1955

I know one was New Jersey the rest will have to come from the original poster.

bahmer

I don't know if this is what they were referring to or not.

Fox News reports today the conviction of two Democrats in Indiana for felony forgery in submitting f**e nomination signatures that put both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton on the b****t for the Indiana p**********l primary. A jury found Butch Morgan Jr., the former St. Joseph County Democratic party Chairman, and Dustin Blythe, former Board of E******ns employee and Democratic Party volunteer, guilty of submitting several pages of forged signatures for nomination forms.

Fox News reports about the scheme of Morgan and Blythe, “According to testimony from two former Board of E******n officials who pled guilty, Morgan ordered Democratic officials and workers to f**e the names and signatures that Obama and Clinton needed to qualify for the p**********l race. Blythe, then a Board of E******ns employee and Democratic Party volunteer, was accused of forging multiple pages of the Obama petitions.”

It is very possible that, without the forged signature, Barack Obama would not have qualified for Indiana primary or have won the 34 delegates he received from Indiana. Given that he won the nomination by about 62 delegates over Hillary Clinton in the 2008 primaries, receiving 34 fewer delegates significantly diminishes his odds of winning the nomination over Hillary Clinton.

“I think had they been challenged successfully, (Obama) probably would not have been on the b****t,” Prosecutor Stan Levco said.

Alleged v***r f***d in North Carolina among Democrats in North Carolina in 2008, where Barack Obama won 67 delegates, casts doubts about the legitimacy of those delegate v**ers won by Barack Obama.

V***r f***d charges in Virginia in 2008 by Democrats also casts doubts on the 54 delegate v**es Obama won in that state.

This article suggests that fraud was rampant in 2008 in many states and raises questions about the degree of fraud that was necessary for Obama to defeat Hillary in 2008 in the primaries and caucuses for the Democratic nomination. The articles says, “This year there have been investigations, indictments or convictions for v**e f***d in California, Texas, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Indiana, Ohio, Georgia, North Carolina and Maryland. In all but one case, the alleged fraudsters were Democrats.”

Regarding the alleged fraud in Indiana, the Fox News story documents several v**ers who said the signatures forged were not their signatures. They even had the audacity to forge the signature of a former Democratic Governor of the state, Joe Kernan.

GaryMickel1955

Yes I knew about Texas since he barely made the primary here but given all the other states involved Hilary would have easily carried that primary and she would not have taken the path he has or anywhere near it.

Thinkmanvt

OK, I think I have found the event you are referencing.

There were two people (Democrats) from Indiana, St Joseph County, who pled guilty to adding names to the petitions for Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton in 2008 to qualify them for the Democratic primary. The informer remained quietly about the fraud for three years. The reports I found start around April 24, 2013, so perhaps it is a relatively recent news report you are remembering watching. However, here is the real joke -- since these e******n workers tampered with the petition for both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama they both would have been disqualified -- but they were the only two person on the Democratic Primary b****t in Indiana in 2008. They came close to splitting the delegates evenly (38 Clinton, 34 Obama), but properly (I guess) all 72 delegates should have gone to the convention uncommitted.

The first web report I checked had a fairly extensive list of "e******n f***d" complaints against Obama. However, the Indiana Democratic Primary b****t is the only one that I saw involved a conviction of guilty parties. Somebody suggested New Jersey for a 2008 incident, but I am still looking for that one.

http://www.wnd.com/2013/04/jury-fraud-put-obama-on-08-b****t/

GaryMickel1955

I found the New Jersey account on Newsmax.com in an article.