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Sep 13, 2013 23:52:30   #
Augustus Greatorex Loc: NE
 
John Deere wrote:
Boy have you got me wrong! But before I go any farther I'd like to know if you work for the media, print or broadcast. And I've never been a progressive, which is just another word for c*******t.


I'm unsure of the relevance of what you'd like to know. What exactly does making a bunch of laws about what can and cannot do with their company, be that a media or any other kind of business, sound like? It sounds like you want the corrupt and evil government to control those companies more than it already does. I want the government out of my business, and I think others want the same.

However, I will caveat, that you shouldn't think of me as an authority on media. Judge my comments by their content, or lack thereof, not by my personal authority. If I say something that is not true, I don't want anyone to believe it.

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Sep 14, 2013 00:01:05   #
John Deere
 
bahmer wrote:
Watch out, the first sign of a liberal. progressive, Marxist, c*******t is that they attack the messenger and not the message. We want the media to be free and equal, and if not tell us so. Like this is CNN your totally left wing off the wall wacko station and we are endorsing the furthest left candidate that we can find, and his name is Barack H. Obama. If we go any further left than that we will be shaking our left hand with our other left hand.


I hope you're not saying that CNN is my news station. That's almost, or as bad, as MSNBC. Earlier you said the media should give free air time to BOTH candidate or none at all. You are very correct. Most of the media gave a free pass to both Clinton and Obama, never questioning the stupid commercials they ran during their re-e******n campaigns. And yet the media was constantly scrutinizing every move that Regan and both of the Bushes did. I could go on about good old Walter and what he and CBS pulled in 1968. Or what Mike Wallace try to pull on Westmoreland, but he failed at that one. Westmoreland sued CBS and won.

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Sep 14, 2013 00:11:17   #
John Deere
 
Augustus Greatorex wrote:
I'm unsure of the relevance of what you'd like to know. What exactly does making a bunch of laws about what can and cannot do with their company, be that a media or any other kind of business, sound like? It sounds like you want the corrupt and evil government to control those companies more than it already does. I want the government out of my business, and I think others want the same.

However, I will caveat, that you shouldn't think of me as an authority on media. Judge my comments by their content, or lack thereof, not by my personal authority. If I say something that is not true, I don't want anyone to believe it.
I'm unsure of the relevance of what you'd like to ... (show quote)


I want a media that does it's job-REPORT THE NEWS! Leave out their personal bias and quit trying to make news when there is none. And quit covering up an incompetent boob's mistakes, who calls himself president, while ruthlessly scrutinizing every move that Regan made and praising b***h Fonda for making a phony movie and calling it factual.

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Sep 14, 2013 01:22:37   #
Augustus Greatorex Loc: NE
 
John Deere wrote:
I want a media that does it's job-REPORT THE NEWS! Leave out their personal bias and quit trying to make news when there is none. And quit covering up an incompetent boob's mistakes, who calls himself president, while ruthlessly scrutinizing every move that Regan made and praising b***h Fonda for making a phony movie and calling it factual.


I think you want that which never existed.

I also think you are regurgitating socialist propaganda. Why does the media need to report news, at all? Rush Limbaugh doesn't do a news show. He is a political commentator. The socialist wants us to accept facts not in evidence. One of those is it is the media's job to "report news" and not to sell itself to consumers.

If we accept this bit of nonsense, we begin to think that media isn't doing its job, when it doesn't report the news. The fact in evidence is, if a media outlet can support itself on its revenues, it is doing its job. Those that don't do their job will cease to operate.

Now, we can accept the propaganda that the government should force force media to report news, but it really is getting government to meddle in the media's business. Since I don't like the government meddling in my business, it seems prudent to defend other businesses from such meddling.

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Sep 14, 2013 08:22:39   #
John Deere
 
Augustus Greatorex wrote:
I think you want that which never existed.

I also think you are regurgitating socialist propaganda. Why does the media need to report news, at all? Rush Limbaugh doesn't do a news show. He is a political commentator. The socialist wants us to accept facts not in evidence. One of those is it is the media's job to "report news" and not to sell itself to consumers.

If we accept this bit of nonsense, we begin to think that media isn't doing its job, when it doesn't report the news. The fact in evidence is, if a media outlet can support itself on its revenues, it is doing its job. Those that don't do their job will cease to operate.

Now, we can accept the propaganda that the government should force force media to report news, but it really is getting government to meddle in the media's business. Since I don't like the government meddling in my business, it seems prudent to defend other businesses from such meddling.
I think you want that which never existed. br br... (show quote)


You made a few good points and few that aren't so good. You say an unbiased report the news only media never has existed. On that you're right. I'm saying it's time it did exist. Then you sound like you're against government propaganda. What do you think the media has been doing since the 1960s? They've been so one sided against conservatives and even going to the point of outright lying just so their liberal stays in power. On Rush, you are partly right. He is a political commentator, along with Glen Beck, Sean Hannity, and Mark Levin (my favorite). It seems that these commentators are the only place I can the conservative side of any news story. I'll give credit to FOX for trying to be unbiased. But the government along with CBS, ABC, NBC, and CNN as their lapdogs attack FOX and talk radio. Then there's a few senators who want to pass a "fairness doctrine" which would put FOX and the political commentators out of business while protecting the liberal bias of the so-called main media, or to quote Rush "the drive by media." Then you say that if a media outlet can't stand on it's own, it goes out of business. That's the way it should work but with MSNBC (the welfare network) which is supported by NBC which IS in bed with Obama, it's clear that government has a propaganda hold on the media. And if you say that MSNBC is all political commentary, you'd be right, but Chris Mathews pretends to be a journalist. The difference between Rush and MSNBC is that Rush admits his show is political commentary, MSNBC WON"T admit that.

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Sep 14, 2013 08:35:05   #
Michael Nestorick Loc: Northeastern Pa.
 
I believe everyone who wants to get into politics must take an ethics course, I don't think it would work on our congress now because they are past being corrupt.

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Sep 14, 2013 08:43:09   #
bahmer
 
John Deere wrote:
I hope you're not saying that CNN is my news station. That's almost, or as bad, as MSNBC. Earlier you said the media should give free air time to BOTH candidate or none at all. You are very correct. Most of the media gave a free pass to both Clinton and Obama, never questioning the stupid commercials they ran during their re-e******n campaigns. And yet the media was constantly scrutinizing every move that Regan and both of the Bushes did. I could go on about good old Walter and what he and CBS pulled in 1968. Or what Mike Wallace try to pull on Westmoreland, but he failed at that one. Westmoreland sued CBS and won.
I hope you're not saying that CNN is my news stati... (show quote)


No I am not implying that CNN is your news network, I was just using them as an analogy of how I would like to see them announce their station to the world is all.

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Sep 14, 2013 08:54:53   #
John Deere
 
bahmer wrote:
No I am not implying that CNN is your news network, I was just using them as an analogy of how I would like to see them announce their station to the world is all.


Ok, I mis-understood. I agree with you, but MSNBC is worse and they'll never admit it.

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Sep 14, 2013 11:04:56   #
Augustus Greatorex Loc: NE
 
John Deere wrote:
You made a few good points and few that aren't so good. You say an unbiased report the news only media never has existed. On that you're right. I'm saying it's time it did exist. Then you sound like you're against government propaganda. What do you think the media has been doing since the 1960s? They've been so one sided against conservatives and even going to the point of outright lying just so their liberal stays in power. On Rush, you are partly right. He is a political commentator, along with Glen Beck, Sean Hannity, and Mark Levin (my favorite). It seems that these commentators are the only place I can the conservative side of any news story. I'll give credit to FOX for trying to be unbiased. But the government along with CBS, ABC, NBC, and CNN as their lapdogs attack FOX and talk radio. Then there's a few senators who want to pass a "fairness doctrine" which would put FOX and the political commentators out of business while protecting the liberal bias of the so-called main media, or to quote Rush "the drive by media." Then you say that if a media outlet can't stand on it's own, it goes out of business. That's the way it should work but with MSNBC (the welfare network) which is supported by NBC which IS in bed with Obama, it's clear that government has a propaganda hold on the media. And if you say that MSNBC is all political commentary, you'd be right, but Chris Mathews pretends to be a journalist. The difference between Rush and MSNBC is that Rush admits his show is political commentary, MSNBC WON"T admit that.
You made a few good points and few that aren't so ... (show quote)


Yeah. Your solution is to make laws that only honest people will have any compunction to follow?

We have noticed certain media outlets are dishonest. Why will they become honest, when your laws are implemented? Or does it serve the dishonest in further undermining honest competition?

If we accept the liberal propaganda that the media should be unbiased, are we destroying the freedom we love and cherish? The liberals don't love freedom. They love a government that takes personal responsibility from them and controls every aspect of every citizen's life.

Every time we give up our personal responsibilities a.k.a. liberties, they win. Liberals have a multitude of diverse goals, but one method: Destroying personal responsibility for choices. Conservatives have infinitely diverse methods, but one goal: Personal liberty, and by default responsibility for our choices.

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Sep 14, 2013 12:56:04   #
John Deere
 
Augustus Greatorex wrote:
Yeah. Your solution is to make laws that only honest people will have any compunction to follow?

We have noticed certain media outlets are dishonest. Why will they become honest, when your laws are implemented? Or does it serve the dishonest in further undermining honest competition?

If we accept the liberal propaganda that the media should be unbiased, are we destroying the freedom we love and cherish? The liberals don't love freedom. They love a government that takes personal responsibility from them and controls every aspect of every citizen's life.

Every time we give up our personal responsibilities a.k.a. liberties, they win. Liberals have a multitude of diverse goals, but one method: Destroying personal responsibility for choices. Conservatives have infinitely diverse methods, but one goal: Personal liberty, and by default responsibility for our choices.
Yeah. Your solution is to make laws that only hone... (show quote)


Now I think we're getting somewhere. At first I was wondering if you were, in Rush's words, a seminar e-mailer. But after your last message, I doubt it. You have an excellent point about how to get dishonest liberal biased media honest and that laws passed will only be followed by the honest. It would be nice to plug up the loop holes that allow the dishonest to take advantage of the honest. The problem is that the people writing the laws always leave a few loop holes open for themselves or their supports. This is why the liberals want the so-called fairness doctrine." So they could take back the monopoly on the news they once had. There is NOTHING fair about the fairness doctrine. If the liberal would leave the conservative biased media alone, then I say let things continue as is. But the liberals can't stand it when anyone disagrees with them. So I say it's time to dish out their own medicine to them, which they can't handle.

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Sep 14, 2013 14:15:42   #
Augustus Greatorex Loc: NE
 
John Deere wrote:
Now I think we're getting somewhere. At first I was wondering if you were, in Rush's words, a seminar e-mailer. But after your last message, I doubt it. You have an excellent point about how to get dishonest liberal biased media honest and that laws passed will only be followed by the honest. It would be nice to plug up the loop holes that allow the dishonest to take advantage of the honest. The problem is that the people writing the laws always leave a few loop holes open for themselves or their supports. This is why the liberals want the so-called fairness doctrine." So they could take back the monopoly on the news they once had. There is NOTHING fair about the fairness doctrine. If the liberal would leave the conservative biased media alone, then I say let things continue as is. But the liberals can't stand it when anyone disagrees with them. So I say it's time to dish out their own medicine to them, which they can't handle.
Now I think we're getting somewhere. At first I w... (show quote)


I think their viewership is down. Their complaints are about the consequences of what they have chosen to do. It is time for us to stand on our principles, while they fall on theirs. We give them what we don't want is giving them what they want. They want their low viewership to be someone else's faults, lets not give that to them. They need to own their failures.

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Sep 14, 2013 15:00:24   #
John Deere
 
Augustus Greatorex wrote:
I think their viewership is down. Their complaints are about the consequences of what they have chosen to do. It is time for us to stand on our principles, while they fall on theirs. We give them what we don't want is giving them what they want. They want their low viewership to be someone else's faults, lets not give that to them. They need to own their failures.


I hear the liberal print media subscriptions are also way down. Don't you think it's interesting that the people who work in the news department demand that the networks carry their news broadcast even though it's losing money? I hear FOX is the only one making money. Don't you think it's also interesting that when a liberal tries to have a radio talk show, they fail big time because they can't get enough sponsors to pay the bills? I know what they ALL say-it's Rush Limbaugh's fault. If they'd look in a mirror, they'd see whose fault it is.

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Sep 14, 2013 15:26:46   #
Augustus Greatorex Loc: NE
 
John Deere wrote:
I hear the liberal print media subscriptions are also way down. Don't you think it's interesting that the people who work in the news department demand that the networks carry their news broadcast even though it's losing money? I hear FOX is the only one making money. Don't you think it's also interesting that when a liberal tries to have a radio talk show, they fail big time because they can't get enough sponsors to pay the bills? I know what they ALL say-it's Rush Limbaugh's fault. If they'd look in a mirror, they'd see whose fault it is.
I hear the liberal print media subscriptions are a... (show quote)


Not exactly, the liberals have as many different goals/ideologies as there are liberals. So the only thing they have in common is their opposition. Have you ever tried talking entirely about what you oppose without throwing in your ideology or end goal? It is really difficult. That is the position of liberals. C*******ts, progressives, socialists, f*****ts, unionists, environmentalists atheists, muslims, all share a common method for achieving their ends, but they have no cohesive end game.

Conservatives are united by a common end, we argue about methods for achieving our common goal, but we have the same goal. If the liberal commentator starts discussing ends and ideology, he divides his support. The reverse is true with conservative commentators.

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Sep 14, 2013 17:34:49   #
John Deere
 
Augustus Greatorex wrote:
Not exactly, the liberals have as many different goals/ideologies as there are liberals. So the only thing they have in common is their opposition. Have you ever tried talking entirely about what you oppose without throwing in your ideology or end goal? It is really difficult. That is the position of liberals. C*******ts, progressives, socialists, f*****ts, unionists, environmentalists atheists, muslims, all share a common method for achieving their ends, but they have no cohesive end game.

Conservatives are united by a common end, we argue about methods for achieving our common goal, but we have the same goal. If the liberal commentator starts discussing ends and ideology, he divides his support. The reverse is true with conservative commentators.
Not exactly, the liberals have as many different g... (show quote)


Very true.

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Sep 15, 2013 23:30:53   #
Lin19
 
That's a start, but a lot more needs to be done. We will only be safe when all the people are involved in government and this will happen faster if people see that their opinion and v**es count for something. That is why I have said all you have plus letting people have a direct v**e on issues that is binding on the government. It might surprise you to find that many great leaders have the same opinion, but have been ignored, because the rich run this country and they will not give it up easily.

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