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Sep 12, 2013 23:26:43   #
Artemis
 
Dave wrote:
A whole lot of rant devoid of a whole lot of thought. Do you seriously think that not enforcing paternity responsibility is a conservative position? Are you that deluded about what really happens in this country of ours? Have you gone so far over the edge that you think the title "baby daddy" represents conservative values. The level of confusion and disconnect from reality implied by your post is staggering.


Dave, The confusion is in your head not mine. Conservative values = conservative hypocrisy.Why don't you try and state your point clearly, because nothing in my post was relating to the conservative party, nor did I ever mention not enforcing paternity responsibilities. Was that just you typically and arrogantly posturing yourself in the usual judgmental approach. The reply had to do with a double standard and an extreme lack of respect which you and your cronies have plenty of. Woman are still fighting for equal pay for the same job, which of course the republican majority didn't want any part of, though they're the ones crying over the hand outs to single woman with children. If a woman was paid the same as her male counterpart, than maybe, just maybe she wouldn't need that little bit of money from the system. It is a degrading way of life, and you thinking it is some kind of gravy train, makes it extremely apparent that you are the clueless and one out of touch . Yours is a discriminative mind set that is still apparent in America and continues to hold us back.

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Sep 13, 2013 00:45:05   #
Voice of Reason Loc: Earth
 
emarine wrote:
You made your intent clear from the start and confirmed it in closing... your list is not very accurate, many on the list were from Bush and many did not receive funds... you need to look into fracking a bit more, It was Cheney who deregulated the safe water act that allowed fracking to use toxic chemicals... they used only high pressure water before, Fracking old wells is like squeezing a sponge to get the last drop, Natural gas has always been a by product of drilling and fracking, it was just burned off... You are incorrect, we do not have the resources to be the worlds largest oil exporter, we cant cover our own consumption, The waters off NC are said to be the largest natural gas reserves to date.. as the use of natural gas increaces they will tap it to market demand.. As far as g***n e****y goes try looking at holland, over 85% wind power... Electric cars.. look up EV1 ...so it can be done unless you think that America is done and cant compete any longer... I think you are wrong on many levels starting with your list.
You made your intent clear from the start and conf... (show quote)


Wow, Holland get's 85% of their electricity from windmills, so we should too. Except they don't. They are hoping to get 14% by 2020 from all forms of "g***n e****y", including wind, solar, biofuel and geothermal. As of 2010, 4% came from all those sources combined. So, you're only off by a factor of over 21.

http://www.government.nl/issues/energy/sustainable-energy

Your mention of the EV1 tells me all I need to know. You consider l*****t propaganda movies to be valid sources of information. Just think, with an EV1 in Los Angeles you could jump in your car on Friday after work and head to Vegas for the weekend. What would have been a 4 hour drive in a gas-powered car would become a 3-4 day adventure. By the time you reached Vegas it would be Monday and you'd be late for work. Of course that assumes you could find places to recharge along the way which would be highly unlikely because it couldn't just be plugged into an ordinary outlet. Not to mention the battery pack alone cost $30,000.

As an aside, one of the stars in "Who K**led the Electric Car" was Ed Begley, Jr. He is a longtime "green" advocate and actor who's biggest claim to fame was a role in St. Elsewhere. A former coworker of mine was at an energy conference which was also attended by him. He thinks that simply connecting generators to all the exercise equipment in all the fitness centers in California would supply all the electricity needs of the state. You may agree, I don't know. But for anybody with even a rudimentary understanding of electric power, that statement shows him to be pathetically ignorant.

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Sep 13, 2013 00:57:44   #
alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa
 
maelstrom wrote:
Today it was reported 95% of income gains over the past three years has gone into the pockets of the1%. That we are in the largest income gap since before the depression.
We have a continuing shrinking middle class, which is the engine that sustains us. Please try and not vent blame, lets us think of resolve.


well maybe the middle class should get off the gov't teat and start moving up

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Sep 13, 2013 06:43:10   #
4vbs2
 
I applaud you for sharing the proceeds of a sale of a successful business with your employees. As you said, you took the personal risk and thus deserve the profit in the sale. But you were also smart enough to recognize that you didn't make that business successful by yourself. Even the lowest person on your payroll contributed to the success. By voluntarily sharing, you showed your appreciation and recognition of that fact. Unfortunately many business owners (some who inherited the successful business) don't recognize that. Not everyone can be wealthy, but all are important and contribute to that wealth.

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Sep 13, 2013 06:45:30   #
4vbs2
 
So you want the person who collects your trash to quit? And what are you going to do with your trash when he/she does? If everyon e becomes a Charles/David Koch (who inherited their business) who will do the work?

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Sep 13, 2013 09:43:17   #
mmccarty12 Loc: Zionsville, Indiana
 
4vbs2 wrote:
So you want the person who collects your trash to quit? And what are you going to do with your trash when he/she does? If everyon e becomes a Charles/David Koch (who inherited their business) who will do the work?

Will you learn to use the quote reply button instead of just the reply. Your last two posts make no sense because you do not directly refer to the person to whom you are referring. It is not that hard. Just move right a little.

Damn, no wonder you cannot use the quote reply button, it would require you to move to the right.

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Sep 13, 2013 10:22:20   #
Dave Loc: Upstate New York
 
maelstrom wrote:
Dave, The confusion is in your head not mine. Conservative values = conservative hypocrisy.Why don't you try and state your point clearly, because nothing in my post was relating to the conservative party, nor did I ever mention not enforcing paternity responsibilities. Was that just you typically and arrogantly posturing yourself in the usual judgmental approach. The reply had to do with a double standard and an extreme lack of respect which you and your cronies have plenty of. Woman are still fighting for equal pay for the same job, which of course the republican majority didn't want any part of, though they're the ones crying over the hand outs to single woman with children. If a woman was paid the same as her male counterpart, than maybe, just maybe she wouldn't need that little bit of money from the system. It is a degrading way of life, and you thinking it is some kind of gravy train, makes it extremely apparent that you are the clueless and one out of touch . Yours is a discriminative mind set that is still apparent in America and continues to hold us back.
Dave, The confusion is in your head not mine. Con... (show quote)


More mindless babble - woman are paid the same as men for the same work and effort. If that was not true on some specific case the woman would have the basis for a law suit. While that meme is consistently used to fool folks like you, study after study when comparing comprable time and effort on specific jobs has shown woman are paid equal to, and often above, what men make.

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Sep 13, 2013 10:41:33   #
alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa
 
mmccarty12 wrote:
Will you learn to use the quote reply button instead of just the reply. Your last two posts make no sense because you do not directly refer to the person to whom you are referring. It is not that hard. Just move right a little.

Damn, no wonder you cannot use the quote reply button, it would require you to move to the right.


good one, try the same thing on the sidewalk you get the same results

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Sep 13, 2013 12:52:54   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
maelstrom wrote:
Dave, The confusion is in your head not mine. Conservative values = conservative hypocrisy.Why don't you try and state your point clearly, because nothing in my post was relating to the conservative party, nor did I ever mention not enforcing paternity responsibilities. Was that just you typically and arrogantly posturing yourself in the usual judgmental approach. The reply had to do with a double standard and an extreme lack of respect which you and your cronies have plenty of. Woman are still fighting for equal pay for the same job, which of course the republican majority didn't want any part of, though they're the ones crying over the hand outs to single woman with children. If a woman was paid the same as her male counterpart, than maybe, just maybe she wouldn't need that little bit of money from the system. It is a degrading way of life, and you thinking it is some kind of gravy train, makes it extremely apparent that you are the clueless and one out of touch . Yours is a discriminative mind set that is still apparent in America and continues to hold us back.
Dave, The confusion is in your head not mine. Con... (show quote)


Malstrom: I don't know where you are getting your Buffalo Chips? But I do know you are eating a lot of them!

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Sep 13, 2013 15:37:08   #
Artemis
 
4vbs2 wrote:
I applaud you for sharing the proceeds of a sale of a successful business with your employees. As you said, you took the personal risk and thus deserve the profit in the sale. But you were also smart enough to recognize that you didn't make that business successful by yourself. Even the lowest person on your payroll contributed to the success. By voluntarily sharing, you showed your appreciation and recognition of that fact. Unfortunately many business owners (some who inherited the successful business) don't recognize that. Not everyone can be wealthy, but all are important and contribute to that wealth.
I applaud you for sharing the proceeds of a sale o... (show quote)


:thumbup:

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Sep 13, 2013 16:19:27   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
maelstrom wrote:
:thumbup:


If they didn't buy stock - they have no proceed share!
We have a system that increasingly taxes work and subsidizes non-work. "So that the record of history is absolutely crystal clear. That there is no alternative way, so far discovered, of improving the lot of the ordinary people that can hold a candle to the productive activities that are unleashed by a free enterprise system. -Milton Friedman -

Get the gobernment off the back of free enterprise!

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Sep 13, 2013 16:52:18   #
Artemis
 
Dave wrote:
More mindless babble - woman are paid the same as men for the same work and effort. If that was not true on some specific case the woman would have the basis for a law suit. While that meme is consistently used to fool folks like you, study after study when comparing comprable time and effort on specific jobs has shown woman are paid equal to, and often above, what men make.


You are consistent if not anything... which is your complete inability to have a civil dialog without insulting and your failure to engage in any form of redeemable exchange of philosophy or subject that is not of your concurrence.

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Sep 13, 2013 16:59:43   #
Artemis
 
Tell me what the chemicals are that they use with water to frack with, the ones they don't want the public to know about.

Voice of Reason wrote:
First, you apparently missed the point of my list. It was a response to the innane assertion by AnnMarie that only Republicans give taxpayer money to corporations.

You then accuse me of spreading misinformation, although the list is true.

You then assert that China is the reason that American solar panel companies failed and ask if we should have just not tried to compete. The answer to that is yes! China has three major manufacturing advantages over us. First they have an abundance of cheap unsk**led labor. We have unions and minimum-wage laws. Second they have abundant, cheap electricity. We have an aging electric grid running at capacity, and ever-increasing electicity rates to subsidize non-viable "g***n e****y" mandated by our president who proudly proclaims that "electricity rates will necessarily skyrocket". Third they are not hampered even by reasonable environmental regulations, much less the over-reaching ridiculous regulations our EPA and state environmental agencies impose on American manufacturers. Did you know that in most areas in this country, if a manufacturer uses water from a nearby river in their process, the wastewater they return to the river must be cleaner than it was when it came in? Does that make sense? Does that help American manufacturers compete economically? And don't even get me started on regulating CO2 as a pollutant, when in reality it is a trace gas essential to all life on earth.

You also assert that investments in "g***n e****y" are risky. That is correct simply because "g***n e****y" is not commercially viable. If it weren't for government incentives and mandates, nobody would use solar or wind power. IMO, if any product is commercially viable, then by definition it does not need government subsidies. Conversly, if a product needs government subsidies, then by definition it is not commercially viable. Look at I-phones. Apple didn't need govenment subsidies to make a product that is hugely successful.

You also say all-electric cars do have a place. They don't. The problem with all-electric cars is, and always has been, lack of range and time to charge. The only difference between electric cars from the turn of the last century and now is that today's all-electric cars have the added "benefit" of spontaneous combustion!

Fracking is cheap and crude oil is toxic, but oil from the fracking process is no more or less toxic than any other. Our president should be embracing the opportunity for this country to not only become completely oil-independent, but also the worlds largest oil exporter. We could and should be experiencing the largest economic boom in history. Instead, he is using the EPA and other regulatory agencies to try to stop the practice. You say you try to "look at both sides of everything and reason it out", so please explain to me how failing to take advantage of this opportunity is beneficial to this country.

You mentioned that our natural gas reserves are mostly offshore. That is incorrect. An added benefit of fracking for oil is that it also releases an abundance of trapped natural gas.

Lastly, you claim GE has been in many president's pockets, and that is probably true. I am not a Republican and, honestly, I think most Republican politicians are only slightly less abhorent than Democratic ones. The major difference I see is that there are a few halfway decent Republicans where virtually all Democrats have now converted to progressive liberal socialist f*****ts. Your mileage may vary.
First, you apparently missed the point of my list.... (show quote)

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Sep 13, 2013 17:10:38   #
Dave Loc: Upstate New York
 
maelstrom wrote:
You are consistent if not anything... which is your complete inability to have a civil dialog without insulting and your failure to engage in any form of redeemable exchange of philosophy or subject that is not of your concurrence.


Guess specifically citing where I think your post is wrong and explaining why I think it wrong is not up to your standard of discourse. Given that you toss out extreme statements and find those being challenged uncomfortable, I see your problem

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Sep 13, 2013 18:52:39   #
Voice of Reason Loc: Earth
 
maelstrom wrote:
Tell me what the chemicals are that they use with water to frack with, the ones they don't want the public to know about.


Why, do you think they're somehow more toxic than the crude oil that's already down there?

But I do know where you're coming from...you think those evil frackers are putting poison into the environment and that musn't be allowed.

Speaking of evil people, do you know what group is responsible for more deaths than Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot combined? Environmentalists. Check it out:

http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/15583-ddt-breeds-death

So, if you consider yourself to be an environmentalist and you think fracking will cause people to die, you should be all for it. Reducing the population is the "green" goal, after all.

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