The Progressive Patriot

who said i***t first?

Dave Loc: Upstate New York

I have no problem with the word "i***t" - I would even accept that I may be a useless one - but as such, I harm no one.

Those of you, however, that are useful ones enable people like Chavez to bring misery and poverty to those who migh otherwise avoid it.

hogorina Loc: USA

This Chardo is one in a million. At least he does not deviate from what he knows and instructs on. He does not dwelve into an unknown abstractions. He is a genuine intellectual of a man-well above mob leveling, with fools who do the name calling. Mr. Cardo thanks for sharing your intelligence!

The Progressive Patriot

Thanks i guess...but after reading your other posts...not sure where your coming from/

hogorina Loc: USA

SHADOW BOXING WITH INVISIBLE ENEMY

With me daily life is a struggle. Picture your self in a boxing ring-never get caught in a corner, or on the ropes. The best opponents are toe to toe in the center of a square. This life is a class struggle. There are only two classes that intelligent humanoids comprehend-first class and no class. Thank you for not trashing my mid-stream take, as to
stepping out of bounds. If you do read my post we have in front of us a path beyond comprehension to the vast majority of pseudo-religious anti-social insignificant fools feeding from hungry mobs in all fifty state-sycophants! Yet on the opposite pole, there is a universal syndicate of that harbor a deep seated hatred for mankind unparallelled for over three thousands of years. Actually, this is a spirit of iniquity that absolutely controls all thought nation wide. This is why our republic is crumbling before our eyes. The republican party originated with Abraham Lincoln, ( Enhoe ) and the trap was put into force via Article: 6, Section:6, on treaties within our United States of America. This is the master key on treaties of which was inserted after the Constitution was ratified.

Please do not let me bore you. Our citizens have been blinded with this Satanic Scheme ). Please read and don't both to respond. However stay in the center and keep up with your God given intelligence in your love for all humanity.

Dave Loc: Upstate New York

Wow - scary

JIMMY DELL

He likely was a hero to that part of the population that knew as little about running a country as he did. After he seized control of the oil, the oil that private foreign firms had developed and paid for, he squandered it by paying of the national debt Argentina. A truly nutty move. Now his country is in shambles and Argentina is doing well. The man was not in touch with reality, neither are those from "our" left coast that backed him.

Dave Loc: Upstate New York

Not only that, but either out of stupidity or for political propaganda, he used oil wealth to "aid" the poor in America. One needs to be uniquely stupid to think poverty in America is anything like poverty in Venezuela - and a useful i***t, Joe Kennedy, was a full participant in this stupid stunt.

JIMMY DELL

Don't be too quick to question the motives of the Kennedy's. They do what they do because they are true believers.( he said with tongue firmly planted in cheek) Hugo is/was a man that knew poverty. His early years made him attune to the plight of the poor and if you're poor in Venezuela, you're very poor by our standards. The whole problem here is that this upbringing leaves you ill prepared for being the supreme leader. I think his heart was in the right place but his execution was hopeless and dare we say knee jerk. I've never understood why these small country leaders try to antagonize the US. What is there to gain for them? Read: Ahmadinejad and Kim Jun Un..What's their up side?

Dave Loc: Upstate New York

Jimmy - I don't pretend to know anyone's motive - but suspect pursuit of power is a common enough driver for those born in poverty as well as wealth - the power to decide for others seems to be more likely than generosity in most cases of those from the left - there may be some who just don't understand the law of unintended consequences and so think they're doing good, but it takes almost a willful ignoring empirical observation for that to be the case.

As to antagonize the US, there is no price to pay for speaking BS (disquised as t***h) to power when the power is the US - notice how rare these folks speak t***h to other "powers"

JIMMY DELL

Your reply sounds like my own words of late echoing.For example the unintended consequence of the "War on Poverty". Who, in 1965, would have foreseen the financial disaster that this has become? Or the SSD(Soc. Security Disability) program that rewards those that are not physicality fit enough to work. These programs have incentives for anti social behavior built in. They encourage people to do the wrong thing and strip them of civic duty and p***e. They further erode civic p***e by infecting many with the attitude that "everyone else is doing it, so I'm going to get mine as well". I don't blame the people that v**ed for the programs, I blame their lack of imagination for not seeing the huge potential for abuse and fraud.

The Progressive Patriot

Let me remind conservatives that one big reason that they lost the e******n is because of their insistence on maligning those who are to some degree dependent on government services, while at the same time calling for cuts to those services. They cling to the rhetoric of “makers” and the “takers” the latter of course being anyone who ever needed some help getting by. They call people who are just trying to survive in a cruel economic environment leaches and parasites. They believe, or pretend to believe that anyone can go out and get job- a job that pays a living wage anytime they wish if only they were not so lazy and content to be on the dole. They continue to complain that 47% of people pay no federal income tax but fail to acknowledge that the majority are working but too poor to have an income tax liability, in part due to the earned income tax credit and child care credit supported by Republicans. They also fail to acknowledge that these same people pay other federal taxes, as well as state and local taxes which are highly regressive.
This harsh swim or sink attitude emanates from the same people who expound a steadfast belief in lais-sez faire capitalism, and minimum regulations and safeguards against corporate excesses. They are often anti union and opposed to raising the minimum wage. What they fail to understand or acknowledge is that poverty, unemployment, and underemployment are built into the capitalist system. Even in a regulated economy, the need for labor expands and contracts as the result of a multitude of factors at home and around the world. When the economy shrinks, excess workers are sidelined. At the same time, the workforce expands and contracts, also as the result of factors that we can’t control. There is also the issue of matching sk**ls to the available jobs geographically. Rarely is there a perfect match between those seeking jobs and the needs of business , and there is usually excess labor.
In addition they fail to grasp the fact that not only does a free market necessitate a government assistance on occasion, but the social safety nets are good for capitalism. When the economy shrinks as it always will from time to time, programs are needed to maintain societal stability and a workforce that will be to be ready to work when the system needs there services again-to work for and enrich the capitalists. In their book “Regulating the Poor: The Function of Public Welfare”, Francis Fox Piven and Richard A. Cloward make this argument, and go on to say that relief efforts not only maintain social order, but also reinforce the work ethic by ensuring that people are only given enough to subsist without being to comfortable.
I will submit to you that the only way to eliminate the much maligned dependency is to regulate business to the extent where they must put people before profits and provide a good job for all regardless of the bottom line. However that would be SOCIALISM and we can’t have that. Or, we could re-establish alms houses. What we cannot do is to have it both ways. We must either accept tighter controls on business practices to prevent the exploitation of workers in the name of profit, or stop persecuting the less fortunate victims of the unsavory side effects of free enterprise .

Voice of Reason Loc: Earth

How many times are you going to post this?

hogorina Loc: USA

Why can't the political whores within the State Dept. keep their lousy claws out of other people's business. No doubt the gentle man in question was murdered. Washington DC is a clap-trap of deadbeats, bums, parasites and fools. Chavez was hounded for not kneeling down abiding to sell his nation out to international finance. Our State Dept. is a clown's paw in the hands of Marxists agents; and parasitic l***hess are invisible pall bearers, for a decent man, of whom would not barter off his soul to SOB's in the New York stock exchange. Investing bandits are awating another victim who fails the protocols of illicit gambling.

Dave Loc: Upstate New York

Chardo entire post is blather - it attacks a straw man - there is no one suggesting those who need help should not get it - it takes the mindless campaign rhetoric of the Democratic Party to attack a position nobody holds.

Like would be social scientist, this blather ignores the reality - we have an entire industry of social workers building an entire career out of creating more and more government dependents. It takes a willful suspension of anyone's power of empirical observation to not recongize the growth of the disability rolls as a sign of abuse.

I know of more than one case of people claiming injury on the job, settling for a one time payment for total disability, then using that declared disability to go on Soc Sec disability - all supported by a entire legal sub system of lawyers and administrators who gain both income and job security by the growth of this s**m.

Look at the cell phone s**m for yet another example - people getting multiple phones for free, and companies also benefitting by it.

Meanwhile the simple reality that for those that do not pay income tax, there is no rate too high - nor benefit too generous.

The meme about the working poor paying payroll taxes is another misleading gambit - they payroll taxes they pay go towards the entitlements they gain, with the entitlements not sustainable from the payroll taxes they pay - in other words, those entitlements are supported by other taxes on other people.

As to the workig poor not able to earn enough, look at the cost placed on producers in the form of taxes and regulations and support of social engineering programs - limiting the amount of revenues available to be shared with American based workers - just one of the many variables causing so much offshoring.

There was a time when most folks could earn a good living in America - a time when there was a lot less government - particualarly federal government - I suspect those two are related.