jelun

The trouble is that we are finding that at least some of that more prominent violence is a bunch of BS.
The cases are not public yet because Black Lives Matter, the ACLU, and NAACP have not been able to apply enough pressure yet but there are decades of cases that the FBI "assisted" with that lab rats now admit they lied about (as in fudged the results, local prosecutors won't bring those cases forward.
Why do you suppose that is?

vernon

its amazing how you just hang on to the past and accuse people who really dont even remember it happening.

working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina

Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. What's amazing to me is that you think the past doesn't affect the present despite the evidence all around us.

working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina

Amazing what one can assume, isn't it?
Your doubt about my age is wrong.
As is the supposition about the source of my knowledge.

And I have no idea what don't think (whether those who forget history are doomed to repeat it or that history has no impact on the present) as you did not bother to clarify. I only know that you don't think.

Mammy.....what a maroon.

jelun

The assumptions really are laughable, aren't they?

Dave Loc: Upstate New York

I was not referring to any specific violence of any specific group - I was trying to put in perspective an indictment of one race's history as not being either unique nor necessarily contemporary.

jelun

Then, Dave, why bring race into it at all? Why not just deny a racial component. People are violent, you could say.
Increases in violence are caused by external factors, you could suggest.
Maybe population density impacts stressors and violence, you might pose.
Perhaps inequities in education and opportunity for financial success might create frustration and leading to violence.

What do you think about my call for a reversal? Re-education camps for people who refuse to believe that people are just people?
A couple of generations of living in close quarters with no supermarkets, substandard education and no health care is all I ask.

Dave Loc: Upstate New York

Why bring race into a discussion where race is being discussed? Did you read the post that my comment was responding to? It was a comment about white power and violence.
I don't know what comment you made about re-education camps, but frankly the very name seems taken out of either a Stalin or Mao play book -

jelun

Of course you were talking about a specific group and you LOVE to pretend that whites are good and others are bad, your subtlety keeps fooling me.
I continually get derailed by your pretense at being reasonable.
Here is your post...
working class stiff wrote:
Agreed.

It's just like with the Birmingham bombing. The white power structure did not go for 'justice'....instead it protected the perpetrators. I think that one of the reasons conservatives are so averse to the idea of 'white guilt', accusing liberals of that notion constantly as a weakness of some kind, is to avoid coming to grips with the fact that whites WERE guilty of racial violence in this country since it's inception. It would take a lot of introspection and soul searching to come to grips with our past when thinking about race.


I wonder if one can talk about any race not having a history of racial violence in their past - and perhaps a better issue, contemporary instances of racial violence being more prominent in one race versus another.

Dave

Now tell me that isn't about a specific race.

Time out, Dave.
CYA

jelun

Of course you were talking about a specific group and you LOVE to pretend that whites are good and others are bad, your subtlety keeps fooling me.
I continually get derailed by your pretense at being reasonable.
Here is your post...
working class stiff wrote:
Agreed.

It's just like with the Birmingham bombing. The white power structure did not go for 'justice'....instead it protected the perpetrators. I think that one of the reasons conservatives are so averse to the idea of 'white guilt', accusing liberals of that notion constantly as a weakness of some kind, is to avoid coming to grips with the fact that whites WERE guilty of racial violence in this country since it's inception. It would take a lot of introspection and soul searching to come to grips with our past when thinking about race.


I wonder if one can talk about any race not having a history of racial violence in their past - and perhaps a better issue, contemporary instances of racial violence being more prominent in one race versus another.

Dave

Now tell me that isn't about a specific race.

Time out, Dave.
CYA

Dave Loc: Upstate New York

You can try to insult me all you want - I made no such statement about any race being good or bad - you took your own inference -

Working class specifically mentioned white race and its sins - I simply suggested that sins were committed by others also - and if you read that any other way the fault lies with you, not I. I have no need to pretend to you or anyone else -

working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina

I understood Dave to mean that one racial group does not have a monopoly on racial violence and thinking. Which I think needs to be acknowledged if we are going to discuss the history of race relations in the US. I understood Dave to say that our history is full of fits and starts when it comes to how blacks and whites related.

I did not think he said one race was better than the other. He pointed out that the specifically European thinking about freedom and equality are the basis for the civil rights we now think everyone should have. I think that is an accurate statement.

Dave and I may disagree about the effects of the past racial behaviors on the present, but that conversation goes a lot easier if one does not attribute a racial motive to those with whom one disagrees.

I would, in fact, enjoy more conservatives posting here, on leaning left, as long as the insults are left behind. It does sharpen ones thinking.

I don't even know if this makes sense...but what the heck...send

vernon

vernon

and this is what yall do, put down on a race and pretend they are the cause of your problems.it might be all need to do is look in the mirror and you will see the cause of all your problems.

working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina

I agree that many on the main board post that way. And of course it is illogical and for some their racism appears to be an out and out source of pride, which is ridiculous.

But I firmly believe that it does liberals no good to engage in the same broad brush stereotyping of conservatives that we protest against when applied to us. It would be an easy and feel good thing to do, especially on the main board, but counter-productive. Liberals have a good case to make for progressive policies that does not rely on counter-punching every idiotic attack.